| Is the nature of football managers shifting? 22:03 - Apr 4 with 1346 views | Zx1988 |
Eckert is doing a fantastic job at Soton, and I hadn't realised that he's only 33 and has only ever been a coach - he's never played professionally.
Then you look at other young managers with decent reputations - McKenna, Röhl, Manning to name three that immediately come to mind - and they're from similar backgrounds in terms of having had no/a limited playing career.
Are we moving towards 'career managers' becoming more and more of a thing in football? |  |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 22:07 - Apr 4 with 1294 views | hoppy |
Jose Mourinho only played something like 60 games in his playing career… he’s done reasonably ok as a coach/manager too. |  |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 22:08 - Apr 4 with 1270 views | pointofblue |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 22:07 - Apr 4 by hoppy |
Jose Mourinho only played something like 60 games in his playing career… he’s done reasonably ok as a coach/manager too. |
Arsene Wenger didn't have much of a playing career either. | |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 22:13 - Apr 4 with 1217 views | Zx1988 |
Good points well made! That rather shoots that argument down in flames 🤣 | |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 22:20 - Apr 4 with 1157 views | Churchman |
I think it’s as much about how settled the club is as it is the manager. Southampton were in total disarray at the start of the season off the field and on it. They’re not now and everyone seems to be pulling together in the same direction. In a different sort of way, the opposite to us.
I’d not be surprised if they didn’t make it through the playoffs. |  | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 22:30 - Apr 4 with 1084 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 22:13 - Apr 4 by Zx1988 |
Good points well made! That rather shoots that argument down in flames 🤣 |
I think you still have some point in the OP. Very few were offered the chance in the past but more seem to be now. I can't see it becoming especially commonplace though. Football changes on these things very slowly. I think we might see a few more black and ethnic minority ones. |  |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 00:30 - Apr 5 with 887 views | Sharkey |
You could easily add Kim Hellberg to you list. Never played above third tier in Sweden, which is probably about tier 6 or 7 here, and was already coaching at 25. |  | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 08:03 - Apr 5 with 681 views | gosblue |
I think part of being a good coach comes from learning from good coaches. McKenna spent time working with Mourinho who learned from the best. And you can see some of Sir Bobby's influence even now if, like me, you were lucky enough to have watched some of his teams. | | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 08:15 - Apr 5 with 632 views | tcblue |
Does anyone know if Lambert ever played for a big club? | | | |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 08:27 - Apr 5 with 598 views | You_Bloo_Right |
You'll remember, of course, that Bertie Mee had a very short playing career. |  |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 08:30 - Apr 5 with 586 views | Swansea_Blue |
Brendan Rodgers was another original McKenna. Retired through injury v. early and already had years of coaching experience behind him by his early 30s. There’s quite a few about. |  |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 08:37 - Apr 5 with 571 views | franz_tyson |
Add in the young lad at Bristol City - Hodgson . He only got as far Gravesend & Northfleet as a player. | | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:14 - Apr 5 with 478 views | bsw72 |
No, not a new thing at all, happened for years, some other examples include Brian Clough, Arsene Wenger, Arrigo Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira, Andre Villas-Boas, Mourinho, the list goes on.
In fact to quote Sacchi, "I never realized that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first". |  | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:22 - Apr 5 with 443 views | Radlett_blue |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 08:27 - Apr 5 by You_Bloo_Right |
You'll remember, of course, that Bertie Mee had a very short playing career. |
Yes, Mee qulaified as a physiotherapist, doing that role at Arsenal from 1960. He was a shock choice to succeed Billy Wright as manager in 1966, but Arsenal's success under him was largely down to Don Howe being his coach. Mee was no football genius, more the old fashioned suited manager who spent most of the week in his office. |  |
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| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:23 - Apr 5 with 439 views | solemio |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:14 - Apr 5 by bsw72 |
No, not a new thing at all, happened for years, some other examples include Brian Clough, Arsene Wenger, Arrigo Sacchi, Carlos Alberto Parreira, Andre Villas-Boas, Mourinho, the list goes on.
In fact to quote Sacchi, "I never realized that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first". |
Clough was a very good striker - 251 goals in 272 matches. His playing career was ended by serious injury at the age of 29.
He should not be on the list. | | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:28 - Apr 5 with 419 views | urbanpenguin |
I genuinely think that the popularity of Football Manager games, aligned with the increase in its dataset and real-world accuracy, has a real impact here.
Will Still, one of the young generation you speak of, has cited Championship Manager and Football Manager as the pathway for him, but more than it giving people experiences that hey think they can translate into a real job, I think the games have just given visibility to the role of a manager as something beyond what an ex-pro did if they didn't want to become a landlord.
I noted recently in a Premier League game (?) that when the team mascots came out, a ref also had a kid in tow as a mascot. Some people laughed, but actually it's quite sweet and healthy if a kid sees it as a potential job and has a passion, just as a kid may want to be a manager but not be great on the pitch.
Recently the Victoria & Albert Museum opened Storehouse, a huge new storage centre on the 2012 Olympic Site. It doubles up as a museum, but one with fewer "big" exhibitions and one more about seeing the 'stuff' of a museum, and cultural workers go about their job (moving, conservation, research, photography). I think that in the cultural world this is great, that teenagers can see these as viable careers where the only visible pathway in the past may have been Artists, Curator, or Director. |  | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:34 - Apr 5 with 401 views | Pippin1970 |
It's all down to championship manager 00/01 season on computer or football manager in 1982 zx spectrum | | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:41 - Apr 5 with 374 views | urbanpenguin |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:34 - Apr 5 by Pippin1970 |
It's all down to championship manager 00/01 season on computer or football manager in 1982 zx spectrum |
I used to love Kevin Toms' Football Manager.
https://www.theguardian.com/ga | | | |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 14:26 - Apr 5 with 222 views | bsw72 |
| Is the nature of football managers shifting? on 09:23 - Apr 5 by solemio |
Clough was a very good striker - 251 goals in 272 matches. His playing career was ended by serious injury at the age of 29.
He should not be on the list. |
Maybe not, but a young manager who was into management under 30 due to career ending injury. | | | |
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