| What is sad about KM post game interview 23:07 - Apr 14 with 5655 views | FrimleyBlue |
For the money weve spent. The squad put together and hes talking about being hopeful of scoring a set piece away from home that sets the tone for the match ahead.
I know we didn't want to see many leeds away games this season but being hopeful of scoring the first goal of a game from a set piece is a whole different level of going into a game.
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 12:54 - Apr 15 with 769 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 07:29 - Apr 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think you're missing the context. He's not saying we went into the game hoping for a set piece goal, he's saying hoping to score one as opposed to conceding one (which is what we did). |
My bad flash. Thought he was meaning that that was the hope. | |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:44 - Apr 15 with 728 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 12:39 - Apr 15 by backwaywhen |
But we did Saturday ? |
Yes we did. Doesn't that make last nights performance even worse?
How many times have you heard commentators call teams embarrassments when they pick and choose which matches they get up for? |  | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:47 - Apr 15 with 721 views | grow_our_own |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 12:37 - Apr 15 by Herbivore |
McKenna signs off on all of the signings, he's not just a head coach that has no involvement in recruitment. |
Yes KM signs off, but what is his choice?
Ashton / Ashton's player research team: "Kieran, we've identified McAteer and Egeli as the best RW candidates to spend £32m on".
It's hobson's choice. They should never have been put to him. Brentford, Brighton, and Bournemouth don't go near them with a barge pole. [Post edited 15 Apr 13:49]
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:51 - Apr 15 with 711 views | SamWhiteUK |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 23:21 - Apr 14 by Bluecasp |
The reality is that we spent our money very poorly.and have made a bit of a pig's ear out of a poor championship. |
This "poor championship" narrative is being used a lot this season, but last time we were in it there were 3 or 4 teams around the 90 point mark. Does that not indicate that the league as a whole is stronger this time around? |  | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:56 - Apr 15 with 697 views | baxterbasics |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:47 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
Yes KM signs off, but what is his choice?
Ashton / Ashton's player research team: "Kieran, we've identified McAteer and Egeli as the best RW candidates to spend £32m on".
It's hobson's choice. They should never have been put to him. Brentford, Brighton, and Bournemouth don't go near them with a barge pole. [Post edited 15 Apr 13:49]
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I guess it's a question of how much time and effort do we expect a modern manager to put personally into watching players and analysing performance. If they were to do that, then what is the point of a wider scouting/recruitment team at all? There has to be a level of trust that KM can put to his team when they come to him with a shortlist of options.
Maybe it does fall to him to say at some point, "hey Mark, our recruitment team has let us down a few too many times, can we find some new people?" and maybe this conversation has already been had. |  |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:01 - Apr 15 with 686 views | reusersfreekicks |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:51 - Apr 15 by SamWhiteUK |
This "poor championship" narrative is being used a lot this season, but last time we were in it there were 3 or 4 teams around the 90 point mark. Does that not indicate that the league as a whole is stronger this time around? |
I don't think so myself.
I think it means that the better teams are not so great.
Though tbf probably means a bit of each |  | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:26 - Apr 15 with 644 views | longtimefan |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 08:05 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
"we spent our money very poorly" - Agreed. > 70 million of major signings in the last 20 months who can't get in the first team or have been banished on loan. Ashton's player research team. Ashton's negotiating. We won't miss him. |
Care to explain how you get a figure of >70 million who can't get in the first team or have been banished on loan? | | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:51 - Apr 15 with 621 views | grow_our_own |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:26 - Apr 15 by longtimefan |
Care to explain how you get a figure of >70 million who can't get in the first team or have been banished on loan? |
Egeli,
McAteer,
Muric,
Ogbene,
Szmodics,
Greaves
Greaves has not been selected in most of our games this season. [Post edited 15 Apr 14:52]
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 15:40 - Apr 15 with 591 views | SamWhiteUK |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:51 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
Egeli,
McAteer,
Muric,
Ogbene,
Szmodics,
Greaves
Greaves has not been selected in most of our games this season. [Post edited 15 Apr 14:52]
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Walle Egeli is a long term thing
McAteer has been playing and will probably play more if Burns is out. Again, one clearly signed for the longer term
Muric we'll make the money back on
Ogbene looked decent but suffered a huge injury. Still our player, could cut it in the Prem and would likely play a bigger part than Burns next year
Szmodics, take your point on
Greaves has been kept out by a very solid Kipre but on recent showings should be first pick
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 15:51 - Apr 15 with 567 views | Herbivore |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:51 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
Egeli,
McAteer,
Muric,
Ogbene,
Szmodics,
Greaves
Greaves has not been selected in most of our games this season. [Post edited 15 Apr 14:52]
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Walle Egeli and McAteer have 50 appearances between them this season. Greaves has made 19 appearances, so has featured in nearly half our games (and will have featured in at least half by the end of the season I expect). |  |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 16:32 - Apr 15 with 519 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:51 - Apr 15 by SamWhiteUK |
This "poor championship" narrative is being used a lot this season, but last time we were in it there were 3 or 4 teams around the 90 point mark. Does that not indicate that the league as a whole is stronger this time around? |
I would argue there are fewer 'easy' games in this league than in 23/24, as teams are setting up more defensively overall, but the quality of the teams at the very top is noticeably worse. | | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 16:40 - Apr 15 with 505 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 07:38 - Apr 15 by algy |
A good manager motivates players and instils desire. They are not things that come through coaching at Playford Road, however much is spent on the place. KM is just a very good technical coach, but is that enough? |
So, he didn't motivate for the game against Norwich last weekend? This is a classic revisionist, kneejerk reaction.
He got is badly wrong last night for whatever reason. It happens. We'd rather it didn't. It was probably even more disappointing because of the last game.
Whatever, we move on to the next game with it still in our hands - even if we did make it a lot harder by losing last night. | | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 16:53 - Apr 15 with 494 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:01 - Apr 15 by reusersfreekicks |
I don't think so myself.
I think it means that the better teams are not so great.
Though tbf probably means a bit of each |
I've put this idea forward a few months ago (and got pelters from it by some posters, and will again I'm sure).
There is more money in the Championship than every before - by some way. Bigger transfers are coming in, wages are sky high from even 2 years ago.
Arguable better players have been attracted to Championship teams, or stayed longer. This result is teams that are more established, and have closed the gap on the teams that traditionally compete in the top of half of the Championship. Teams with more money, and better players have come up from L1.
It's not beyond the wit of man to conclude that this results in a Championship that is much more competitive than ever before. Does that make it a stronger or weaker league because more teams are competitive? I certainly don't think it makes it a weak or poor league. And next season will likely be worse - which is why we really need to get promoted this season (and therefore the massive disappointment from last night - but our promotion hopes are far from over | | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 21:15 - Apr 15 with 423 views | grow_our_own |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 16:10 - Apr 15 by longtimefan |
Really! I think you need to reword your sentence from "can't get in the first team" to "doesn't play every game". Of the names on that list Egeli has started 18 times with 9 sub appearances. Greaves is 18+1 and McAteer 11+12. They're not bit part players with the way McKenna operates. Surprised you haven't included Philogene, he's only started 20 games  |
They aren't first-choice when others are fit. All are costly, major signings, who are intended to be first-choice, not squad filler. I stand by my >70m mis-spent on players who aren't first-choice or who have been banished on loan. And that's mostly on Ashton. We need to fix our recruitment before June 16th. | | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 21:27 - Apr 15 with 409 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 21:15 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
They aren't first-choice when others are fit. All are costly, major signings, who are intended to be first-choice, not squad filler. I stand by my >70m mis-spent on players who aren't first-choice or who have been banished on loan. And that's mostly on Ashton. We need to fix our recruitment before June 16th. |
How do you know what they were intended to be?
You also don't seem to understand the importance of 'finishers' in McKenna's system. I'd have thought most people would know it by now. |  |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 22:01 - Apr 15 with 394 views | grow_our_own |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 21:27 - Apr 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How do you know what they were intended to be?
You also don't seem to understand the importance of 'finishers' in McKenna's system. I'd have thought most people would know it by now. |
"How do you know what they were intended to be?" - because they were expensive. | | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 22:13 - Apr 15 with 386 views | RetroBlue |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 23:21 - Apr 14 by Bluecasp |
The reality is that we spent our money very poorly.and have made a bit of a pig's ear out of a poor championship. |
Ashton has yes.... |  |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 22:16 - Apr 15 with 377 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 22:01 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
"How do you know what they were intended to be?" - because they were expensive. |
The club paid a lot of money on Jack Clarke and then on Jaden Philogene after having paid a lot on Szmodics. You included Ogbene in your list as well and then Walle Egeli and McAteer.
Did you believe McKenna intended to play a formation 6 attacking midfielders rather than have two players for every position (his stated intention)?
You could argue that we spent money on Nunez and Mehmeti to replace Ogbene and Szmodics. The Sky commentator said Walle Egeli has played a lot more football than he would have expected to this season when he signed. We have paid high fees because the price of players in the Championship and lower end of the Premier League is a lot higher than when we were in it 20 odd years ago. |  |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 22:20 - Apr 15 with 376 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 14:51 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
Egeli,
McAteer,
Muric,
Ogbene,
Szmodics,
Greaves
Greaves has not been selected in most of our games this season. [Post edited 15 Apr 14:52]
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Although half of them are integral to the match day squad, you’re right that all of the names on that list have been underwhelming. You can add Cajuste and Neil too. They’ve not been awful, but not had the impact you expect from their price tags. |  |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 07:58 - Apr 16 with 295 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 22:01 - Apr 15 by grow_our_own |
"How do you know what they were intended to be?" - because they were expensive. |
And that's your fundamental error. | |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 08:11 - Apr 16 with 283 views | PioneerBlue |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 23:21 - Apr 14 by Bluecasp |
The reality is that we spent our money very poorly.and have made a bit of a pig's ear out of a poor championship. |
Whilst i understand the sentiment and it is certainly worth reflecting on in the summer, the facts dont back this up when you are sitting in P2 league position. No one has made a pigs ear or spent poorly in the event that we are promoted, there is no guarantee in any player acquisition at this level, and all the money spent building this team is fairly insignificant compared to the financial prize upon success. If we dont go up this or next season thats a new story and would be a travesty from this current position! [Post edited 16 Apr 8:16]
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 08:25 - Apr 16 with 265 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 09:44 - Apr 15 by baxterbasics |
Money spent "very" poorly, recruitment = terrible?
I think these are harsh/ exaggerated judgements.
A few things haven't worked out. But we all thought getting Cajuste back and then Akpom was going to make the league a stroll for us. They have underperformed and now we blame KM.
Also easy to forget that McKenna is the reason we had so much money to spend in the first place.
If we do clinch second - which is still a very realistic prospect - that hardly represents a massive failure does it? [Post edited 15 Apr 9:48]
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I mean signing 2 right wingers for 30 million plus, neither of them looking up to the level I would argue is very poor recruitment. Couple that with not signing a true number 10. Lack of cover for Matusiwa, sub par striker department.
It simply has to get better. |  |
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| What is sad about KM post game interview on 08:27 - Apr 16 with 264 views | Leaky |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 13:56 - Apr 15 by baxterbasics |
I guess it's a question of how much time and effort do we expect a modern manager to put personally into watching players and analysing performance. If they were to do that, then what is the point of a wider scouting/recruitment team at all? There has to be a level of trust that KM can put to his team when they come to him with a shortlist of options.
Maybe it does fall to him to say at some point, "hey Mark, our recruitment team has let us down a few too many times, can we find some new people?" and maybe this conversation has already been had. |
Regarding your 2nd paragraph, how do we know this hasn't been discussed. |  | | |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 09:45 - Apr 16 with 215 views | grow_our_own |
| What is sad about KM post game interview on 07:58 - Apr 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And that's your fundamental error. |
We're Ipswich, not Man Utd. We don't spend > ~£10m on a squad player. Every player on that list was intended to be first-choice. They aren't. That's mostly on Ashton's player research and negotiating. | | | |
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