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guarantee promotion from the final 2 matches.
Fans were excited, the mood was amazing and most believed great things could and would happen and got 100% behind the team.
The difference in mood this season, considering we require 3 points from the last 2 games is worlds apart.
Aren't fans weird!? |  |
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we've had a higher proportion of your proper results this season than in 2023-24, think it's your mind playing tricks on you.
we were far more likely to win 1-0/2-1 last time [Post edited 25 Apr 23:50]
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just checked, we've won 2-0 6 times, 3-1 twice, won by 3 clear goals 5 times, 5-0 once. 14 "proper" wins out of 22.
last time less than half of our wins were "proper"! |  |
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we've had a higher proportion of your proper results this season than in 2023-24, think it's your mind playing tricks on you.
we were far more likely to win 1-0/2-1 last time [Post edited 25 Apr 23:50]
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I disagree
town coventry 3-2
town blackburn 4-3
town hull 3-0
town preston 4-2
town plymouth 3-2
town millwall 3-1
town millwall 4-0
town wednesday 6-0
town southampton 3-2
town hull 3-3
town huddersfield 2-0
town rotherham 4-3
town swansea 3-2
Btw im not belittling this season, that's not my aim, i'm just sharing why i think the feelings are vastly different, and mainly caused by those missed chances.
You look at the above scorelines and year defensively some of those are painful lol, but we freely scored, got back into games, won points from behind We've had opportunities to do that this season at times, but it's not really happened and i think that's why it does feel so different. |  |
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just checked, we've won 2-0 6 times, 3-1 twice, won by 3 clear goals 5 times, 5-0 once. 14 "proper" wins out of 22.
last time less than half of our wins were "proper"! |
You've literally ignored my second paragraph in that post it wasn;t just about 2-0 3 1 scorelines. | |
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I disagree
town coventry 3-2
town blackburn 4-3
town hull 3-0
town preston 4-2
town plymouth 3-2
town millwall 3-1
town millwall 4-0
town wednesday 6-0
town southampton 3-2
town hull 3-3
town huddersfield 2-0
town rotherham 4-3
town swansea 3-2
Btw im not belittling this season, that's not my aim, i'm just sharing why i think the feelings are vastly different, and mainly caused by those missed chances.
You look at the above scorelines and year defensively some of those are painful lol, but we freely scored, got back into games, won points from behind We've had opportunities to do that this season at times, but it's not really happened and i think that's why it does feel so different. |
that's less than half of our wins, and you've included a load of narrow wins (and even a draw!). last year was very much, "we're going to score one more than you", which is fun, but shown up terribly in the premier league.
this year has been an evolution, we've scored less, but conceded less, (we've started to win from behind now as well) | |
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that's less than half of our wins, and you've included a load of narrow wins (and even a draw!). last year was very much, "we're going to score one more than you", which is fun, but shown up terribly in the premier league.
this year has been an evolution, we've scored less, but conceded less, (we've started to win from behind now as well) |
Yes because i said in my post about the proper results that it wasn;t just about clear goal differences but also included some wins and points won from behind and many of those results I wrote included that.
You;ve hit the nail though on your reply... fun. That's why it feels so different for many
I've backed and sung the song sheet that we;ve completely gone into this season with prem playing views and changed the way we've played. Some have countered that and said we are playing no differently to any other time under KM, I think our chat here is proof of how different the seasons are and how we have approached them.
But that is why indeed the feelings are vastly different, 23/24 was 'fun' this year i guess you could say is a bit more pragmatic, if half those 70 cleat cut chances go in, the feeling of this season itself may be vastly different to what it is for many people. | |
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I don't really see how you're coming to that conclusion. I was simply comparing the seasons and why I feel this season 'feels' different to that season.
We've had the opportunity to get some better scorelines this season, that's not me being entitled to say that JD, that's just fact, over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo |
”… over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo”
As I said in my other post, I don’t see how you can say that when Southampton have missed more than us, and Millwall are just behind. For the successful teams, creating lots of chances, statistically they’ll have more misses. There is no significant outlier with our number of missed big chances. | | | |
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Promotion back then wasn't even a thought at the beginning of the season. If we got it amazing if we didnt wow what a season still
This season promotion is a minium expectation and if not for a pss poor first month wed have already got it really. But it does come down to trust. Results and form show we should be ok. But our actual performance levels recently have been incredibly poor ls are incits difficult to trust us going into any game regardless of the actual form. But results are all that matters
For every nodge performance weve had a pompy one.
We've had boro and then a poor charlton one
Today wasnt amazing. Tues we dont know yet
So next saturday... it should should be a win. But we thought that v charlton at home.
This side isnt beaten by many sides. But its beaten by itself often. [Post edited 26 Apr 0:42]
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Actual performance levels have not been incredibly poor. We've played some superb football at times.
We have had some poor performances admittedly, consistency has been a problem, but on the whole we've been very good. We wouldn't be 2nd otherwise. We haven't fluked it. | | | |
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Yes because i said in my post about the proper results that it wasn;t just about clear goal differences but also included some wins and points won from behind and many of those results I wrote included that.
You;ve hit the nail though on your reply... fun. That's why it feels so different for many
I've backed and sung the song sheet that we;ve completely gone into this season with prem playing views and changed the way we've played. Some have countered that and said we are playing no differently to any other time under KM, I think our chat here is proof of how different the seasons are and how we have approached them.
But that is why indeed the feelings are vastly different, 23/24 was 'fun' this year i guess you could say is a bit more pragmatic, if half those 70 cleat cut chances go in, the feeling of this season itself may be vastly different to what it is for many people. |
how many "clear cut chances" were missed in 2023-24? given that hirst scored less goals that year, it might be quite a few?
the fun aspect is one thing, but another is that as a fanbase we feel we're more entitled to it now as we've done it once before. it was a novelty before (first promotion in over 20 years!), now it's "just another promotion" if we manage it (first promotion in 2 years?) | |
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how many "clear cut chances" were missed in 2023-24? given that hirst scored less goals that year, it might be quite a few?
the fun aspect is one thing, but another is that as a fanbase we feel we're more entitled to it now as we've done it once before. it was a novelty before (first promotion in over 20 years!), now it's "just another promotion" if we manage it (first promotion in 2 years?) |
We missed 66 big chances in 23/24 season.
Edit : we also created less - 112 over 46 games vs 119 so far this season. [Post edited 26 Apr 0:22]
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”… over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo”
As I said in my other post, I don’t see how you can say that when Southampton have missed more than us, and Millwall are just behind. For the successful teams, creating lots of chances, statistically they’ll have more misses. There is no significant outlier with our number of missed big chances. |
I don't see why i can;t say it, just because other sides missed their own, that's upto them and how they feel about it
You can;t tell me as an ipswich fan, you don;t think people's feelings about this season wouldn't be different if of our own created chances, we scored more of them, i know that;s obvious, but im just simply defending the club that this season hasn;t been as bad as it appears, it;s just we've not been clinical despite creating a hell of a lot of opportunities.
blimey, last time i try and defend the side this season, jeez | |
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how many "clear cut chances" were missed in 2023-24? given that hirst scored less goals that year, it might be quite a few?
the fun aspect is one thing, but another is that as a fanbase we feel we're more entitled to it now as we've done it once before. it was a novelty before (first promotion in over 20 years!), now it's "just another promotion" if we manage it (first promotion in 2 years?) |
66 in 23 compared to 81 this season ( google ai, so maybe wrong)
George though apparently has missed the same 18 in each, but has scored more this season.
Again though it's not entitlement to expect promotion, fans can't be entitled to it as it's not something that can be owed to them. They can and it's ok probably to expect it considering in most seasons, parachute clubs are usually in that situation and we did recruit heavily for this season to do so and concentrated on that over looking to stay in the prem. | |
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I don't see why i can;t say it, just because other sides missed their own, that's upto them and how they feel about it
You can;t tell me as an ipswich fan, you don;t think people's feelings about this season wouldn't be different if of our own created chances, we scored more of them, i know that;s obvious, but im just simply defending the club that this season hasn;t been as bad as it appears, it;s just we've not been clinical despite creating a hell of a lot of opportunities.
blimey, last time i try and defend the side this season, jeez |
You’re asking for something out of the ordinary though. An outlier. The extraordinary. You want us to have scored half of those missed big chances. That would mean we’d have only missed about 35% of our big chances. That just doesn’t happen. 55-65% is more normal statistically for the best performing teams - look at the stats for the top Championship sides over the last few seasons. And that’s pretty much where we are.
Sure we’d all like Town to take more chances, but to expect something that is so far outside the norm makes no sense. It’s like expecting them to achieve 120 points - possible, but unlikely. | | | |
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You’re asking for something out of the ordinary though. An outlier. The extraordinary. You want us to have scored half of those missed big chances. That would mean we’d have only missed about 35% of our big chances. That just doesn’t happen. 55-65% is more normal statistically for the best performing teams - look at the stats for the top Championship sides over the last few seasons. And that’s pretty much where we are.
Sure we’d all like Town to take more chances, but to expect something that is so far outside the norm makes no sense. It’s like expecting them to achieve 120 points - possible, but unlikely. |
I wasnt being literall. Ok say we scored 5 of them. Or 3. Say one of them today.
Was just saying its not all bad. | |
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I wasnt being literall. Ok say we scored 5 of them. Or 3. Say one of them today.
Was just saying its not all bad. |
Well, the difference between 35 and “…5 of them. Or 3.” is pretty monumentally different. Hard to debate if you aren’t clear on what you mean. 3 might have turned a match or two, but would that have transformed the perception of the season? I don’t see it.
Our season has been pretty good, although not as easy as we all hoped, and probably expected to some extent. The missed big chances isn’t as terrible as some make it out to be though. Yes, it could have been better, but it’s pretty much in the normal range for a top team in the championship when you look at the current and previous seasons (normalising it as a percentage over a full season) | | | |
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OP: I think difference between then and now is how the two teams/ squad's are playing. This current one doesn't appear to have the same mental / physical strength and we are looking very jittery.
Also the way the fixtures have gone this season we are definitely getting a raw deal with regards to the number of games within so many days. Most are away from home, so little time for rest due to travelling compared to our opponents. |
In my opinion we had better players two years ago in key positions and those who may be the same, such as Hirst, are shadows of their 24 selves. Confidence was high and mentality was strong in that team, but players like Morse, Mass, Hutch, Chappers, Hladky, Wes and Broadhead for me are better than what we have now (Azor excepted).
Our main deficiency this season has been conversion rate of chances, as well as a bit less creativity generally, but we have been good enough in certain areas to just about make up for that and hang in there. It may just be enough or it may not, but whether we go up or not, significant changes have to be made next season to achieve whichever objective we have, be that survival in the Prem or promotion. |  | | |
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we weren't playing that well, we lost to norwich and followed that up with 3 draws (2 dismal home ones)!
imagine if we'd have gone 4 games without a win at this stage of this season! |
Think the point is about expectations. It's always been this way, just amplified these days by commercialisation, saturation and modern media, which amplify people's entitlement, and cluelessness, a million fold.
The difference in fan mood between two years ago and now, after a single season in the top flight vs twenty plus being total dogwvank except for two or three efforts, is indicative of how ridiculous football has become, and pretty depressing if you care about this. |  |
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I gave the rundown of April 24. We actually weren’t playing that well. A streaky second best win over Saints, great though it was. Well beaten at Norwich, two barely deserved home draws and a free for all draw at Hull. Last day of April a scrambled defining win at Coventry. So six games, 2 wins 3 draws and 1 loss. It’s how it was however much the history rewriters wish to see it. Results ground out.
This season April to date, six fixtures, 3 wins 2 draws 1 loss. 1 April game to play, 5 from the 7 will have been away fixtures.
For a high percentage on here, no credit due, no realistic comparison to how it actually was. Why? Because a high percentage of so called supporters on here hate the players, the team the club.
‘Give me my club back’. Better under goodness knows who? The players cost money (really? Wish somebody had told me). One hero even posted early this morning how much he hates the team. Four hours before a critical game. If that’s a supporter I’m King Kong.
We were brilliant every week two years ago. We really weren’t. We were in patches, solid in others, shaky in some (e.g. lucky to get anything from Plymouth at home) the irony being after today’s dismal crushing defeat people forget WBA played us off the pitch two seasons ago at the Hawthorns and for 70 mins at PR too. And let’s not forget many of that side were Cook’s players abused at Charlton, Bristol Rovers and Oxford in the fog.
The entitlement on here with some is astonishing. I’m glad it’s different in the ground. Now I read ‘Ashton’s’ signings (despite approval by McKenna) aren’t good enough for the PL. well if we succeed we will find out. Personally I think that despite obvious gaps, we have 7 or 8 that can play at that level and who individually are better players than their predecessors.
But that’s irrelevant. It’s about the next 7 days. I hope we do it and I think, unlike on Monday, that the odds are now in our favour. |
"... the irony being after today’s dismal crushing defeat people forget WBA played us off the pitch two seasons ago at the Hawthorns and for 70 mins at PR too."
Arf, well put :) | |
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Found it really weird at the end yesterday. A really positive result in the context of getting promoted and going into the last game with promotion in our hands seemed the realistic target after Pompey.
The number of people who had the maths wrong as we were walking in and out yesterday was staggering! I’ve looked at the league table far too much over the last couple of weeks obviously. | | | |
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This time two years ago we were playing well. Norwich aside, when did we play well and win? Swansea, back in February.
That said, I believe we will get the three points we need to be promoted. |
In recent history the two promo seasons we were on fire and was the best we'd seen since 99-01.
This season has been quite stop, start and not the most exciting despite the huge cash outlay.
The difference is expectation, to go up 2nd great everyone will take it but we've spent a fortune to get there and would likely need to rip the team up and start yet again if we beat QPR. | |
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That’s not really true is it. Two years ago, following the Southampton win, which let’s be fair could have easily been a draw or even a defeat, we lost the away Derby, then struggled to two home draws.. We eventually found form, in the final three games, but we we weren’t at our fluidity best in that run in. |
We were still playing a better style of football. Contrast the WBA game yesterday with Hull away in 24, which were corresponding fixtures. Same number of points gained but the style of play between the two is chalk and cheese.
I watch us away from home. I was far more entertained in 23/24 on the road than I have been this season. I think most people who follow town away would say the same. |  |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 10:39 - Apr 26 with 126 views | DJR |
I am quite excited but it is difficult to go over the top until the points are in the bag.
Indeed, it was notable that McKenna and the players didn't overdo the post-match celebrations yesterday, knowing that they still have to do the business.
As regards the contrast with the way we've played this season, the fact that we had played so well in 2023/24 didn't count for anything in the Premier League. Indeed, we aren't going to blow away other clubs next season if we get promoted but hopefully we will be a bit more savvy and acquire sufficient players of sufficient quality to give us a fighting chance. [Post edited 26 Apr 10:42]
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No, not really.
Happiness = reality - expectations.
Given the financial outlay and the quality of the league this year, fans (rightly or wrongly) had expectations of winning the league and being in the position Cov are in. |
Depends which side of fence you sit.
You are expectation and criticism, Im enjoying the ride again.
One is a lot more fun, I can assure you |  | | |
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I don't really see how you're coming to that conclusion. I was simply comparing the seasons and why I feel this season 'feels' different to that season.
We've had the opportunity to get some better scorelines this season, that's not me being entitled to say that JD, that's just fact, over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 11:47 - Apr 26 with 64 views | pointofblue |
I appreciate this will get a million down votes and so be it, but if the only way to defend the current squad is to criticise performances from the 23/24 squad, without considering the differences between their make up and value, then it highlights an issue in itself. The quality, on paper, of the 25/26 squad should be enough, performance wise, on it's own merits.
To repeat a comment I've made before, even now it feels like the 23/24 added up to more than the sum of it's parts. Many of the performances from the 25/26 squad feel like less. | |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 11:50 - Apr 26 with 61 views | andyblue231 |
In a way, I've sort of enjoyed this season more. The moments of elation obviously aren't comparable. But week to week in 23/24 I was expecting it to fall away any moment and it would have been crushing if it had.
This time,I've mainly been confident we'd do it. So I've felt less stressed. Except for the last few weeks when it's been very edgy. | | | |
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