| Whether we go up or not .... 21:20 - Apr 26 with 1661 views | Vic |
for all the criticism some of us town supporters have made about the team this season, we haven't half done well.
2nd best GD in the league, 2nd in the table going into the last game of the season, 2nd fewest loses, 3rd highest scorers
Its almost as if, over the season we've been the 2nd best team in the league. I reckon most of us would have taken all this before we kicked off in August.
COYB. Lets get it over the line this week. |  |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:15 - Apr 26 with 1550 views | J2BLUE |
100%.
A lot of the criticism is based on feelings and not facts. An example earlier criticising the 7 away losses. Look back through the league tables and 5-7 away losses is about right for most teams finishing second.
Then when you point out the facts it switches to something else (that didn't happen in the above example but you get my point, it's like whack-a-mole, you disprove one thing and the usual suspects come back with something else).
Another example earlier giving in depth opinions about the league table and then saying they didn't realise Southampton were 4 points behind...
It's the new normal unfortunately. Drives me absolute crazy though. |  |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:27 - Apr 26 with 1519 views | Blue_Moses |
All true but equally you can look at how much we have spent compared to the teams around us. |  | | |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:31 - Apr 26 with 1505 views | Oldsmoker |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:27 - Apr 26 by Blue_Moses |
All true but equally you can look at how much we have spent compared to the teams around us. |
J2Blue just posted that someone will always come up with another angle to moan about.
Well done - you just did. |  |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:49 - Apr 26 with 1407 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:15 - Apr 26 by J2BLUE |
100%.
A lot of the criticism is based on feelings and not facts. An example earlier criticising the 7 away losses. Look back through the league tables and 5-7 away losses is about right for most teams finishing second.
Then when you point out the facts it switches to something else (that didn't happen in the above example but you get my point, it's like whack-a-mole, you disprove one thing and the usual suspects come back with something else).
Another example earlier giving in depth opinions about the league table and then saying they didn't realise Southampton were 4 points behind...
It's the new normal unfortunately. Drives me absolute crazy though. |
Hang on wtf. Where on earth did i go in depth about the league table? All I said in Joe's thread was that I hadnt noticed it was 4 points. Or are you referring to someone else? |  |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 23:01 - Apr 26 with 1377 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:15 - Apr 26 by J2BLUE |
100%.
A lot of the criticism is based on feelings and not facts. An example earlier criticising the 7 away losses. Look back through the league tables and 5-7 away losses is about right for most teams finishing second.
Then when you point out the facts it switches to something else (that didn't happen in the above example but you get my point, it's like whack-a-mole, you disprove one thing and the usual suspects come back with something else).
Another example earlier giving in depth opinions about the league table and then saying they didn't realise Southampton were 4 points behind...
It's the new normal unfortunately. Drives me absolute crazy though. |
Pot shots.
To lose 7 is clearly on the higher side of things, you found Blades a few years back, fair enough but that was still a 90+ point side, I guess they drew quite a bit less than us at home. Also I think we lost 4 last time away not 5 but could be wrong. Anyway, whatever way you look it you’ll obviously concede it’s been a rather low points total this year for second and we haven’t exactly been great on the road from a top 2 team.
Frankly I’ll take it after our last two promotions and even the relative strength of the bottom of PL last time. |  |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 23:26 - Apr 26 with 1280 views | _CliveBaker_ |
I think there’s been a lot of expectation because we’ve spent 5 minutes in the premier league in the past 25 years. There’s so much talk of the obvious parachute advantage, perhaps less appreciation that only half bounce straight back. Yes we’ve spent some money but a) not all of it very well (IMO) and b) we had a lot of catching up to do. £100m of net spend from league 1 guarantees you nothing.
It felt like we started on the back foot with the sheer extent of change, the lateness of a lot of it, perhaps unexpected in places, it certainly felt muddled at times. Not just good players leaving but leaders, big characters, big parts of the fabric. Couple that with the slow start on the pitch and the pressure was on from day 1 really. I can’t help but feel a few wins in August might’ve set the tone and sentiment quite differently.
We’ve quietly gone about our business since. The confidence and resilience has grown, the connections too. As you say, by just about any metric we would deserve 2nd, but we’ve not for the most part played consistently impressive football. There have been periods, and we’ve often been dominant, but it’s felt attritional and a bit of a slog more than it’s felt swashbuckling.
Even the recent run in, we’ve lost once in the last 13 games and averaged 2ppg, by anyone’s standards that’s very good, but it’s not felt especially clever at times. Those trips to Stoke & Pompey. WBA, Sheff Wednesday & Charlton to a lesser extent. A number of games where we’ve served up a good half followed by a poor one, or vice versa. It’s felt bitty. The rotation, suspensions, injuries. A few too many big tickets just not adding anywhere near enough value. It feels like we still has another gear or 2 to find consistently to me, I guess that’s encouraging.
Now isn’t the time for a post mortem though. We need to get the job done over the next 6 days, by hook or by crook. If we manage it, job done, and McKenna will deserve a lot of credit. [Post edited 26 Apr 23:47]
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 02:36 - Apr 27 with 1101 views | Illinoisblue |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 23:26 - Apr 26 by _CliveBaker_ |
I think there’s been a lot of expectation because we’ve spent 5 minutes in the premier league in the past 25 years. There’s so much talk of the obvious parachute advantage, perhaps less appreciation that only half bounce straight back. Yes we’ve spent some money but a) not all of it very well (IMO) and b) we had a lot of catching up to do. £100m of net spend from league 1 guarantees you nothing.
It felt like we started on the back foot with the sheer extent of change, the lateness of a lot of it, perhaps unexpected in places, it certainly felt muddled at times. Not just good players leaving but leaders, big characters, big parts of the fabric. Couple that with the slow start on the pitch and the pressure was on from day 1 really. I can’t help but feel a few wins in August might’ve set the tone and sentiment quite differently.
We’ve quietly gone about our business since. The confidence and resilience has grown, the connections too. As you say, by just about any metric we would deserve 2nd, but we’ve not for the most part played consistently impressive football. There have been periods, and we’ve often been dominant, but it’s felt attritional and a bit of a slog more than it’s felt swashbuckling.
Even the recent run in, we’ve lost once in the last 13 games and averaged 2ppg, by anyone’s standards that’s very good, but it’s not felt especially clever at times. Those trips to Stoke & Pompey. WBA, Sheff Wednesday & Charlton to a lesser extent. A number of games where we’ve served up a good half followed by a poor one, or vice versa. It’s felt bitty. The rotation, suspensions, injuries. A few too many big tickets just not adding anywhere near enough value. It feels like we still has another gear or 2 to find consistently to me, I guess that’s encouraging.
Now isn’t the time for a post mortem though. We need to get the job done over the next 6 days, by hook or by crook. If we manage it, job done, and McKenna will deserve a lot of credit. [Post edited 26 Apr 23:47]
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A very accurate and well-written summary. Thinking back to last summer and the drama with Hackney ultimately not signing. Forget how far that was into August and if we already had Cajuste signed, or if he was plan B. Also don’t recall what other strikers we were linked with. Vaguely recall Lankshear turned us down in the Jan window to stay at Oxford. The mad fool. How different our season may have looked with someone more clinical than Azon. |  |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 04:30 - Apr 27 with 1037 views | charlie1 |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 23:01 - Apr 26 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Pot shots.
To lose 7 is clearly on the higher side of things, you found Blades a few years back, fair enough but that was still a 90+ point side, I guess they drew quite a bit less than us at home. Also I think we lost 4 last time away not 5 but could be wrong. Anyway, whatever way you look it you’ll obviously concede it’s been a rather low points total this year for second and we haven’t exactly been great on the road from a top 2 team.
Frankly I’ll take it after our last two promotions and even the relative strength of the bottom of PL last time. |
Only 2 home losses in the last two entire Championship seasons to date.
There are positives too. Shame too many have no interest at all in that.
You have to wonder what some people are actually trying to achieve by relentless fault-finding and negativity.
Does it somehow make them feel better about their own lives, because it has absolutely no benefit to this forum or this club that they claim to be such a big fan of. | | | |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 06:17 - Apr 27 with 968 views | Blue_Heath |
Your last sentence 100%.
This is not a moan but surely you must take into account the amount of money that has been spent? That is what has in a large part led to the criticism, the level of expectation of this team is probably greater than any before them due to this. Also maybe KM a victim of his own success?
BTW - You missed out the biggest positive for 1p5wich this season :-) | |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 08:13 - Apr 27 with 752 views | southnorfolkblue |
I'll pass judgment at the end of the season. If we make it over the line, brilliant - job done and that's all that matters. If we fail to go up though, questions about our recruitment will be fairly raised imho | |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 08:49 - Apr 27 with 713 views | Guthrum |
Joint tightest defence (with Boro and Cov), conceded four fewer than Millwall and eight fewer than Soton, the next two best. That, in itself, is a major change from recent seasons and probably contributes to why people are less excited. Town are no longer a free-wheeling outscore-you team, but are happier to battle in protection of our goal.
Edit: We might have been even better, barring a few careless slip-ups (passes too short at the back and the like). So there's room to tighten even further. [Post edited 27 Apr 8:54]
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 08:52 - Apr 27 with 689 views | SomethingBlue |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:27 - Apr 26 by Blue_Moses |
All true but equally you can look at how much we have spent compared to the teams around us. |
Who cares? If we make it this week then what a celebration to enjoy for the town, community, fans, everyone. Let's not take these for granted, need to live every moment of it. | |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 08:54 - Apr 27 with 678 views | Swansea_Blue |
You’re describing slightly different things. People have criticised some of our play and some individual performances (sometimes over the top, imo), yet I don’t think anyone would be disappointed with our league position. We’ve been efficient and effective if not consistently entertaining. There have been some good halves though, especially at FPR. For those of us who only go away games, it’s been a bit of a hard watch times at odds with our league position. |  |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 08:59 - Apr 27 with 649 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 08:52 - Apr 27 by SomethingBlue |
Who cares? If we make it this week then what a celebration to enjoy for the town, community, fans, everyone. Let's not take these for granted, need to live every moment of it. |
Quite. As long as the spending isn’t putting the sustainability of the club at risk, it’s irrelevant. We should know as well as anyone that spending money guarantees nothing in this league. It’s being proven again this season by teams like Coventy. | |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 09:16 - Apr 27 with 596 views | farkenhell |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 23:26 - Apr 26 by _CliveBaker_ |
I think there’s been a lot of expectation because we’ve spent 5 minutes in the premier league in the past 25 years. There’s so much talk of the obvious parachute advantage, perhaps less appreciation that only half bounce straight back. Yes we’ve spent some money but a) not all of it very well (IMO) and b) we had a lot of catching up to do. £100m of net spend from league 1 guarantees you nothing.
It felt like we started on the back foot with the sheer extent of change, the lateness of a lot of it, perhaps unexpected in places, it certainly felt muddled at times. Not just good players leaving but leaders, big characters, big parts of the fabric. Couple that with the slow start on the pitch and the pressure was on from day 1 really. I can’t help but feel a few wins in August might’ve set the tone and sentiment quite differently.
We’ve quietly gone about our business since. The confidence and resilience has grown, the connections too. As you say, by just about any metric we would deserve 2nd, but we’ve not for the most part played consistently impressive football. There have been periods, and we’ve often been dominant, but it’s felt attritional and a bit of a slog more than it’s felt swashbuckling.
Even the recent run in, we’ve lost once in the last 13 games and averaged 2ppg, by anyone’s standards that’s very good, but it’s not felt especially clever at times. Those trips to Stoke & Pompey. WBA, Sheff Wednesday & Charlton to a lesser extent. A number of games where we’ve served up a good half followed by a poor one, or vice versa. It’s felt bitty. The rotation, suspensions, injuries. A few too many big tickets just not adding anywhere near enough value. It feels like we still has another gear or 2 to find consistently to me, I guess that’s encouraging.
Now isn’t the time for a post mortem though. We need to get the job done over the next 6 days, by hook or by crook. If we manage it, job done, and McKenna will deserve a lot of credit. [Post edited 26 Apr 23:47]
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Absolutely spot on, particularly the last paragraph. However, I fear that if we lose tomorrow evening, then the hyperbolic prophets of doom will be everywhere on here. | | | |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 09:20 - Apr 27 with 564 views | farkenhell |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:27 - Apr 26 by Blue_Moses |
All true but equally you can look at how much we have spent compared to the teams around us. |
How many more times, money spent does not guarantee success. Ask any Leicester supporter that. | | | |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 09:22 - Apr 27 with 564 views | Guthrum |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 06:17 - Apr 27 by Blue_Heath |
Your last sentence 100%.
This is not a moan but surely you must take into account the amount of money that has been spent? That is what has in a large part led to the criticism, the level of expectation of this team is probably greater than any before them due to this. Also maybe KM a victim of his own success?
BTW - You missed out the biggest positive for 1p5wich this season :-) |
There's been a lot of loose thinking on the money side.
We spent a moderately reasonable sum of money for a side newly-promoted to the Prem (between half and two-thirds of what Sunderland did this season). However, about half of that talent walked back out of the door during or at the end of the season (Muric, Delap, Hutchinson, loan fees - notably Phillips). Other hirings have been injured or gone out on loan (Townsend, Ogbene).
We have spent a fair bit this season, but the headline fee was on snapping up a 19-year-old prospect who is really for the future, rather than impact now. The rest of the fees (insofar as it's possible to judge behind the curtain of "undisclosed") were generally in line with the norm for the division nowadays.
In short, this idea that we have a "£150m squad", "£200m squad" or whatever waffle regularly gets trotted out is not an accurate representation of the team as it stands. It's a high-end Championship outfit, but not some bunch of Prem superstars just visiting the second tier. Yes, we should be challenging at the top, but our rivals have men equally as good in their sides. | |
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| Whether we go up or not .... on 09:23 - Apr 27 with 555 views | WinchBlue |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 22:27 - Apr 26 by Blue_Moses |
All true but equally you can look at how much we have spent compared to the teams around us. |
Spending was necessary to replace the core that was lost over summer. Most other teams didn’t have that loss so of course our gross spend was going to be high (v similar to Southampton in fact). And in fact our transfer balance is far better than most.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.u |  | | |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 15:08 - Apr 27 with 330 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Whether we go up or not .... on 04:30 - Apr 27 by charlie1 |
Only 2 home losses in the last two entire Championship seasons to date.
There are positives too. Shame too many have no interest at all in that.
You have to wonder what some people are actually trying to achieve by relentless fault-finding and negativity.
Does it somehow make them feel better about their own lives, because it has absolutely no benefit to this forum or this club that they claim to be such a big fan of. |
Calm down, if you read this forum you know I’m as big a town fan as anyone. I’m not sure how you’d say I’d have no interest in that? It’s just an opinion, that I think we have underperformed this year from a points perspective from a position of strength. Most of that comes down some of the recruitment IMO.
Our home form is promotion form, albeit with a few too many draws, away as been a big sketchy, if we lose tomorrow that would be a lot of losses on the road for a team still with a top 2 in their hands last day but I really don’t care if we get promoted. We can evaluate the squad then and I do think we be in a better position than when went up last time. | |
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