| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. 04:13 - May 8 with 5716 views | Benters |
Watching the voting coming through.
We will listen say Labour erm no you won’t,nobody ever does.
Reform are doing well
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. (n/t) on 09:04 - May 8 with 966 views | Herbivore |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. (n/t) on 08:57 - May 8 by MVBlue |
Can someone tell me reforms policies please?
Seems to me its 'not being Labour' and dealing with the boats, which still means dealing with the French side like any party has to. What are their policies for the NATIVES then? [Post edited 8 May 8:58]
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Domestically it's mainly about eroding workers' rights and rolling back on green energy in favour of fossil fuels. Basically stuff that is going to directly or indirectly harm the majority of people. |  |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 09:06 - May 8 with 952 views | hype313 |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 06:27 - May 8 by Benters |
To sort out illegal immigration would be a great start. |
0.06% of Government spending is on Immigration, 26% on Welfare.
Surely you should be looking at ways to bring down that percentage as opposed to the negligible one on Immigration. |  |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 09:13 - May 8 with 910 views | Weekender |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 07:53 - May 8 by Benters |
Right I’m off for a lovely walk in the beautiful Tendring Peninsula countryside.
Catch y’all later x. |
Please don't come back |  |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 09:33 - May 8 with 833 views | BABLUE |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 09:06 - May 8 by hype313 |
0.06% of Government spending is on Immigration, 26% on Welfare.
Surely you should be looking at ways to bring down that percentage as opposed to the negligible one on Immigration. |
Using the term welfare is wrong too, as that figure includes pensions which have been earned over time by people paying into the system. That accounts for 42% of the welfare bill, with another 6% going to pensioners for housing benefit of pension credits.
A further 13% goes to the disabled whilst unemployment benefits amounts to just 3%.
Much of the balance is paid to those in work who aren’t paid enough to be able to support themselves or their families.
It’s almost as though there is a deliberate attempt to inflate the welfare costs to demonise those who need that support.
Blame foreigners and work shy scroungers is the narrative which isn’t really true. |  | | |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 09:35 - May 8 with 826 views | GeoffSentence |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 06:27 - May 8 by Benters |
To sort out illegal immigration would be a great start. |
Immigration has fallen significantly recently.
Also the easiest thing we could do to reduce 'Illegal' immigration would be to get back into the EU and rejoin the Dublin Agreement. The great irony of leaving the EU to regain control of our borders was that having left the Dublin Agreement we had sole responsibility for anyone turning up on our shores and were no longer part of the mechanism to return people to other EU countries.
I think Farage was more than happy with that he needed large scale immigration to build his fan base |  |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 10:01 - May 8 with 746 views | Guthrum |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 06:27 - May 8 by Benters |
To sort out illegal immigration would be a great start. |
Thing is, Benters, that would require extra resources for the police and Border Force, which would have to be paid for with increased taxation*. Plus increased cooperation with our Eropean neighbours, to return people and to stop the boats at source. Neither of which Reform are in favour of. So I would question whether they actually have a viable plan.
That's before you consider that Reform intends to vastly increase the number of "illegals" in the UK by abolishing Leave to Remain, thus putting a lot of hard-working, tax paying people, who may have been here for decades, outside of the law.
* Talk of making savings elsewhere is deeply unrealistic. There is no fat on public services without more reductions on what is provided (doubly so if more needs to be spent on defence as well). As to welfare, the only benefit which could be slashed to raise anywhere near the sums required is the State Pension - imagine the row that would spark. |  |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 10:38 - May 8 with 679 views | Guthrum |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 07:56 - May 8 by PaulYoungs |
Still loads of votes to start being counted at 09:00, yet Reform already gained 371 seats and Labour down 253.
How long can this useless PM last? |
Tho a lot of those which are just starting are the ones where parties like the Greens and LibDems expect to do better. So the picture may shift through the day.
Moreover, as I said elsewhere, these seats were last elected in 2022, when Reform didn't exist as a political force (with Farage not leader) and Labour were part of the protest vote against a Conservative government. A large swing was inevitable. | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 with 644 views | OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |  | | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:16 - May 8 with 611 views | BABLUE |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |
You are so wrong on every level.
Look at the data and links provided on this thread which shows that much of which you are angry about isn’t true.
Look things up, get the facts, check the data, don’t automatically believe what you hear from your echo chamber. | | | |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:17 - May 8 with 608 views | SomethingBlue |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 06:27 - May 8 by Benters |
To sort out illegal immigration would be a great start. |
Tell me one way it profoundly affects your life please? | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:18 - May 8 with 604 views | Herbivore |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |
Most of this is just plain incorrect, mate. | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:20 - May 8 with 598 views | StokieBlue |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |
I literally provided a link in this thread which is a fact checked and verified source showing the large decline in small boat crossings this year.
Perhaps you should read some of these things before posting.
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:49 - May 8 with 539 views | soupytwist |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |
Starmer: "I'm going to reduce the benefits bill by making things worse for some of the people who don't work by ending universal access to winter fuel allowance."
Shouty people: "We didn't mean reduce the benefits bill like that"
Someone's going to have to do something about the triple lock before too long. That's going to be fun. |  | | |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. (n/t) on 11:50 - May 8 with 530 views | MVBlue |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. (n/t) on 09:04 - May 8 by Herbivore |
Domestically it's mainly about eroding workers' rights and rolling back on green energy in favour of fossil fuels. Basically stuff that is going to directly or indirectly harm the majority of people. |
Anything else? Any other Policies? Benters know any?
I'm waiting..... |  |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:54 - May 8 with 503 views | DJR |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |
The ECHR wasn't brought in by Blair. We've been a member since its inception.
What you are talking about is the Human Rights Act which provided remedies in the UK courts, so avoiding the need in many cases to go to Strasbourg.
Only Russia and Belarus are not members of the ECHR but both Reform and the Tories seem determined to leave it with all the adverse consequences for civil liberties that would entail.
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:09 - May 8 with 456 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 07:53 - May 8 by Benters |
Right I’m off for a lovely walk in the beautiful Tendring Peninsula countryside.
Catch y’all later x. |
Even if you don't care for people, you do seem to like wildlife, countryside, nature, etc. Maybe have a look at Reform's anti-nature policies. They're no friends of nature and seem to stand for the opposite of what you like.
(They would make immigration higher too, just as the Tories did, because their 'ideas' are mostly unworkable). |  |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:13 - May 8 with 438 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |
As a country I don't know how we deal with this sort of stuff. People obviously aren't able/prepared to separate facts form peddled fictions, and then seem to make a lot of stuff up to fill in their massive gaps in knowledge. | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:23 - May 8 with 420 views | Benters |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 09:13 - May 8 by Weekender |
Please don't come back |
I’m back did a bit of cutting back in my garden now having a spot of lunch.
My neighbour came out and spoke to me,both his wife and daughter are Reform counsellors.
He was well happy. | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:25 - May 8 with 414 views | DJR |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:23 - May 8 by Benters |
I’m back did a bit of cutting back in my garden now having a spot of lunch.
My neighbour came out and spoke to me,both his wife and daughter are Reform counsellors.
He was well happy. |
Do Reform voters need counselling?  | | | |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:25 - May 8 with 411 views | Benters |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 09:35 - May 8 by GeoffSentence |
Immigration has fallen significantly recently.
Also the easiest thing we could do to reduce 'Illegal' immigration would be to get back into the EU and rejoin the Dublin Agreement. The great irony of leaving the EU to regain control of our borders was that having left the Dublin Agreement we had sole responsibility for anyone turning up on our shores and were no longer part of the mechanism to return people to other EU countries.
I think Farage was more than happy with that he needed large scale immigration to build his fan base |
Righto ! | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:30 - May 8 with 385 views | Benters |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 11:02 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Starmer states he takes the blame. No it's not just his fault, it is the stupid policies, the promises broken.
He said "We obviously are not changing as quickly as people want"
No, again. The changes you are making means working and tax paying people are forking out more and more to keep those who don't work the same or better conditions.
He claimed he would "Smash the gangs", he even changed his Home Secretary. But that doesn't work unless you repeal laws brought in by Blair and leave the ECHR,
Human rights lawyers are making a fortune out of this and many don't even live in the UK.
As for changing the Labour leadership that's like changing the Captain on the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. |
This. | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:32 - May 8 with 374 views | Benters |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:25 - May 8 by DJR |
Do Reform voters need counselling? |
You are a funny man  | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:34 - May 8 with 355 views | DJR |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:32 - May 8 by Benters |
You are a funny man |
I am also someone who accepts that people have different views, and I don't do personal abuse because someone has a different view to me. | | | |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:35 - May 8 with 345 views | SomethingBlue |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:30 - May 8 by Benters |
This. |
You'll be applauding and chortling away while Farage digs your grave right in front of you. | |
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| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:36 - May 8 with 345 views | Benters |
| The Beeb reporters seem to be gutted. on 12:34 - May 8 by DJR |
I am also someone who accepts that people have different views, and I don't do personal abuse because someone has a different view to me. |
and another! | |
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