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Reform UK has taken control of Suffolk County Council. by homer_1238 May 14:55 It certainly is a sad state of affairs when people are so disillusioned in this Country that they are turning, in their droves, to vote for a political party hoping that it's racist, xenophobic, antisemite, grifter of a leader can makes things better.
Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 09:51 - May 10 by Whos_blue
Odious human being. It baffles me how people are falling for it. I think Homer has probably nailed it, which is just depressing
Isn't that all part of the construction though? It increasingly seems like they weren't actually that disillusioned until the lying prick convinced them they were. If they had an axe to grind you'd think they'd be able to articulate at least something they expected Reform to be able to improve for them.
'Reform UK has said it will "welcome scrutiny" of its elected representatives, after the party made major gains in polls across England, Scotland and Wales.
Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesman, said the party would not take "voters for granted" following what he described as a "historic set of results for the country".'
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 08:26 - May 10 by LeoMuff
Starmer get his glasses paid for and it’s a constitutional crisis and the media goes quiet, Farage is gifting £5m and nada
It's a national fkn disgrace how the media - even what would traditionally have been thought of as the serious, objective media - are willing to jump all over people like Polanski and Starmer, while giving almost a free pass to the right wing comedy act fresh off Clacton Pier. Their titillation seems to have overridden their professionalism. Shame on them.
It's a national disgrace and a serious threat to our democracy and our short term future.
Good work by Philogene...... GREAT WORK BY PHILOGENE!!!
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:22 - May 10 by NthQldITFC
It's a national fkn disgrace how the media - even what would traditionally have been thought of as the serious, objective media - are willing to jump all over people like Polanski and Starmer, while giving almost a free pass to the right wing comedy act fresh off Clacton Pier. Their titillation seems to have overridden their professionalism. Shame on them.
It's a national disgrace and a serious threat to our democracy and our short term future.
In some ways I agree but the Rigby interview and the way Farage was so dismissive may, just may be a turning point. I think the £5m is a thread journalists will keep picking at. With reform doing so well, they are now in the big league as a serious party and with that will hopefully come a higher level of scrutiny. Time will tell.
"I don't want to be like everyone else. That's why I'm a mod, see?"
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Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:41 - May 10 with 1477 views
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:22 - May 10 by NthQldITFC
It's a national fkn disgrace how the media - even what would traditionally have been thought of as the serious, objective media - are willing to jump all over people like Polanski and Starmer, while giving almost a free pass to the right wing comedy act fresh off Clacton Pier. Their titillation seems to have overridden their professionalism. Shame on them.
It's a national disgrace and a serious threat to our democracy and our short term future.
This
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Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:43 - May 10 with 1462 views
'Reform UK has said it will "welcome scrutiny" of its elected representatives, after the party made major gains in polls across England, Scotland and Wales.
Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesman, said the party would not take "voters for granted" following what he described as a "historic set of results for the country".'
Zia Yusuf is worse than Farage, if that's possible
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Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:46 - May 10 with 1444 views
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 09:57 - May 10 by FoghornGleghorn
Isn't that all part of the construction though? It increasingly seems like they weren't actually that disillusioned until the lying prick convinced them they were. If they had an axe to grind you'd think they'd be able to articulate at least something they expected Reform to be able to improve for them.
I think there is some disillusionment, modern capitalism increasingly sees wealth being concentrated and continuing to grow for a very small elite while those at the bottom get left behind. Cost of living and austerity in the 2010s has hit hard, destroying public services and making many people feel poorer. But what far right populists are good at is taking this discontent and redirecting it, so rather than questioning an economic system that's increasingly unfit for purposes, Reform and their wealthy backers find alternative targets. Almost always the target will be foreigners because that picks up nicely on the fact that many people innately fear difference and are at least a little bit xenophobic. It's a tactic that works because it plays on two strong feelings that people have - that the country is going to the dogs and that there's too many foreigners here now - and offers simple solutions.
It promises that if we tackle one issue - getting rid of foreigners - it'll tackle the second issue. We'll be transported back to a mythical time that never really existed where everyone was prosperous, there was no crime, and milk got delivered by a milkman. Actually, that's the third emotional pull that these grifters exploit: nostalgia for a bygone time that wasn't anything like how people remember it. What they never do is join the dots and show how being mean to foreigners and sending them all packing will actually make anything any better. Meanwhile the real agenda to keep enriching themselves and their mates (who, ironically, are often foreigners themselves) while eroding people's rights sneaks through without their voters even caring.
We've seen on here the willingness to deny demonstrable facts to believe the narratives that Reform spin. People choose to not believe that Labour are actually tackling immigration even though small boat crossings are down, deportations are up, fewer asylum seekers are in hotels, and asylum claims are actually being processed now. All of that is demonstrably true whatever side of the immigration debate you find yourself on. But Reform voters make the choice to disbelieve facts that go against the party narrative. They wang on about society becoming lawless even though all data suggests that is not the case and that the country is largely far safer than it was in the mythical past they wet dream about. Again, they choose to ignore facts and reality in favour of a narrative.
It comes down to the fact that narratives are powerful, they play on emotions and not just reason. This makes them appealing to people, particularly people who don't really want to think about complex problems and people who see themselves as not really that interested in politics.
That's why Farage accepting a £5m donation from a dodgy backer and not declaring it won't even touch the side. His narrative demands - and receives from a decent minority of people - complete loyalty and anything that shows him up for the grifter he is just gets ignored. His voters don't want to believe it, and it's become acceptable in the modern political landscape to openly admit that you choose not to believe something demonstrably true, or if that isn't sustainable, then you can just ignore the uncomfortable stuff instead.
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:43 - May 10 by reusersfreekicks
Zia Yusuf is worse than Farage, if that's possible
He's an interesting one, I watched his Nick Robinson 'Political Thinking' interview and I suppose what worried me most is that he is a good bit more canny than other 'Reform' politicians I have seen reported upon. Perhaps the only silver lining to the cloud that he is will be an inevitable turning away from politics into something else when he gets bored and cannot figure out how to make gains from it, which I guess is what happened to him in business.
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:46 - May 10 by Herbivore
I think there is some disillusionment, modern capitalism increasingly sees wealth being concentrated and continuing to grow for a very small elite while those at the bottom get left behind. Cost of living and austerity in the 2010s has hit hard, destroying public services and making many people feel poorer. But what far right populists are good at is taking this discontent and redirecting it, so rather than questioning an economic system that's increasingly unfit for purposes, Reform and their wealthy backers find alternative targets. Almost always the target will be foreigners because that picks up nicely on the fact that many people innately fear difference and are at least a little bit xenophobic. It's a tactic that works because it plays on two strong feelings that people have - that the country is going to the dogs and that there's too many foreigners here now - and offers simple solutions.
It promises that if we tackle one issue - getting rid of foreigners - it'll tackle the second issue. We'll be transported back to a mythical time that never really existed where everyone was prosperous, there was no crime, and milk got delivered by a milkman. Actually, that's the third emotional pull that these grifters exploit: nostalgia for a bygone time that wasn't anything like how people remember it. What they never do is join the dots and show how being mean to foreigners and sending them all packing will actually make anything any better. Meanwhile the real agenda to keep enriching themselves and their mates (who, ironically, are often foreigners themselves) while eroding people's rights sneaks through without their voters even caring.
We've seen on here the willingness to deny demonstrable facts to believe the narratives that Reform spin. People choose to not believe that Labour are actually tackling immigration even though small boat crossings are down, deportations are up, fewer asylum seekers are in hotels, and asylum claims are actually being processed now. All of that is demonstrably true whatever side of the immigration debate you find yourself on. But Reform voters make the choice to disbelieve facts that go against the party narrative. They wang on about society becoming lawless even though all data suggests that is not the case and that the country is largely far safer than it was in the mythical past they wet dream about. Again, they choose to ignore facts and reality in favour of a narrative.
It comes down to the fact that narratives are powerful, they play on emotions and not just reason. This makes them appealing to people, particularly people who don't really want to think about complex problems and people who see themselves as not really that interested in politics.
That's why Farage accepting a £5m donation from a dodgy backer and not declaring it won't even touch the side. His narrative demands - and receives from a decent minority of people - complete loyalty and anything that shows him up for the grifter he is just gets ignored. His voters don't want to believe it, and it's become acceptable in the modern political landscape to openly admit that you choose not to believe something demonstrably true, or if that isn't sustainable, then you can just ignore the uncomfortable stuff instead.
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Tremendously put.
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Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:52 - May 10 with 1363 views
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 08:29 - May 10 by ElderGrizzly
Could be interesting if the standards commissioner does call this in and we see a by-election.
Can you imagine the squealing from Reform and Farage for people following due process and one they’d demand if this was a Labour or Tory MP?
Nah, he'd thrive off this as counter intuitive as that is. Politics is broken, you can't win with facts and planning and campaigning and hard work. It's all sound bites and feelings.
Nige would just paint himself as an attacked hero fighting the elite and the world that is out to bring him down because he's such a threat to them somehow. The woke liberal elite leftie green hug an illegal soft touch mental health supporting bunch of lovies trying to bring him down.
It's post truth. I have half a thought that they'll be so terrible as councillors people might wake up a little. But of course that's nonsense too. They'll blame Westminster, they'll blame pandering to the foreigners, they'll blame the woke somehow, and they'll get away with it and flourish more because of fighting the system.
Literally bulletproof amongst their own support, the only ray of sunshine is that potentially that support can be swamped by a concerted effort by the bigger decent chunk of society who dont, but unless that's well aligned and planned, we're pretty screwed.
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Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:56 - May 10 with 1327 views
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:22 - May 10 by NthQldITFC
It's a national fkn disgrace how the media - even what would traditionally have been thought of as the serious, objective media - are willing to jump all over people like Polanski and Starmer, while giving almost a free pass to the right wing comedy act fresh off Clacton Pier. Their titillation seems to have overridden their professionalism. Shame on them.
It's a national disgrace and a serious threat to our democracy and our short term future.
Reform aren't racist though.....
Reform UK's Richard Tice Refuses To Condemn Councillor Who Said 'Nigerians Should Be Melted Down'
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/reform...
Overtly racist party. Undeniable at this point, and they are emboldened to the point they don't feel the need to hide it. Rather they are leaning into it and giving potential voters tacit permission to do the same.
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 11:06 - May 10 by redrickstuhaart
Overtly racist party. Undeniable at this point, and they are emboldened to the point they don't feel the need to hide it. Rather they are leaning into it and giving potential voters tacit permission to do the same.
It's there USP, or was until Rupert Lowe did his thing. Reform voters don't hold their nose at this sort of thing, or even do a Boris style toffs will be toffs, they feel that it's correct and that these things can and should be said.
They're not all massive white hood wearing racists, but I'd say a big majority are in broad agreement that such comments are barely even a little racist and are just part of acceptable views and daily life.
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Farage - the dog ate my homework on 11:19 - May 10 by WeWereZombies
And has any 'Reform' councillor ever managed anything as special as this ?
I don't know - with no offence intended to Finidi, his career with us reminds me of Reform. Does something splashy which gains attention, then disappears when (additional) assistance is required.
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:39 - May 10 by Whos_blue
In some ways I agree but the Rigby interview and the way Farage was so dismissive may, just may be a turning point. I think the £5m is a thread journalists will keep picking at. With reform doing so well, they are now in the big league as a serious party and with that will hopefully come a higher level of scrutiny. Time will tell.
I hope you're right. Logically you are, but I'm nervous for the future of our country.
Openness, truth and accountability need to stand up and be counted now. What's left of the honest and objective media need to expose everything that's going wrong with our democracy and ignore soundbites and vacuous popularity contests, or they will completely lose their credibility and we will have absolutely nothing left - no chance to return to sanity and responsible government for the people.
Good work by Philogene...... GREAT WORK BY PHILOGENE!!!
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 11:19 - May 10 by WeWereZombies
And has any 'Reform' councillor ever managed anything as special as this ?
Very happy memories of that game and Finidi's goal. He still has one of the very best chants we ever had!!! Genius!
You sent me down a wormhole and I found this. I may have got this massively wrong but I think this fella (Gary Shaw) is now a reform councillor. I know there have been other Gary Shaws, so apologies if this is the wrong one.
Farage - the dog ate my homework on 10:46 - May 10 by Herbivore
I think there is some disillusionment, modern capitalism increasingly sees wealth being concentrated and continuing to grow for a very small elite while those at the bottom get left behind. Cost of living and austerity in the 2010s has hit hard, destroying public services and making many people feel poorer. But what far right populists are good at is taking this discontent and redirecting it, so rather than questioning an economic system that's increasingly unfit for purposes, Reform and their wealthy backers find alternative targets. Almost always the target will be foreigners because that picks up nicely on the fact that many people innately fear difference and are at least a little bit xenophobic. It's a tactic that works because it plays on two strong feelings that people have - that the country is going to the dogs and that there's too many foreigners here now - and offers simple solutions.
It promises that if we tackle one issue - getting rid of foreigners - it'll tackle the second issue. We'll be transported back to a mythical time that never really existed where everyone was prosperous, there was no crime, and milk got delivered by a milkman. Actually, that's the third emotional pull that these grifters exploit: nostalgia for a bygone time that wasn't anything like how people remember it. What they never do is join the dots and show how being mean to foreigners and sending them all packing will actually make anything any better. Meanwhile the real agenda to keep enriching themselves and their mates (who, ironically, are often foreigners themselves) while eroding people's rights sneaks through without their voters even caring.
We've seen on here the willingness to deny demonstrable facts to believe the narratives that Reform spin. People choose to not believe that Labour are actually tackling immigration even though small boat crossings are down, deportations are up, fewer asylum seekers are in hotels, and asylum claims are actually being processed now. All of that is demonstrably true whatever side of the immigration debate you find yourself on. But Reform voters make the choice to disbelieve facts that go against the party narrative. They wang on about society becoming lawless even though all data suggests that is not the case and that the country is largely far safer than it was in the mythical past they wet dream about. Again, they choose to ignore facts and reality in favour of a narrative.
It comes down to the fact that narratives are powerful, they play on emotions and not just reason. This makes them appealing to people, particularly people who don't really want to think about complex problems and people who see themselves as not really that interested in politics.
That's why Farage accepting a £5m donation from a dodgy backer and not declaring it won't even touch the side. His narrative demands - and receives from a decent minority of people - complete loyalty and anything that shows him up for the grifter he is just gets ignored. His voters don't want to believe it, and it's become acceptable in the modern political landscape to openly admit that you choose not to believe something demonstrably true, or if that isn't sustainable, then you can just ignore the uncomfortable stuff instead.
[Post edited 10 May 10:47]
This is spot on. But what's the answer? More critical thinking taught in schools would be a start... but the benefits of that are a long way off.
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