| Ivan Azon 15:26 - May 25 with 4402 views | Radlett_blue |
Como have qualified for the CL next season so hard to see him getting much of a look-in there. He's 23 & has played over 140 senior games now so I doubt he's going to become a huge predator so although he'll be on offer, I hope we steer clear. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 22:20 - May 25 with 533 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ivan Azon on 21:20 - May 25 by djgooder |
So I’ve had a long day and might be crystal balling a bit but……..
What if Azon is our third this year. Gets maybe 10 - 20 mins every other prem game . A full season coaching of McKenna and a shooting coach and sports psychologist that someone mentioned above.
It feels pessimistic to say. But after a good show we end up relegated. Could he then be the striker that gets us 20+ goals in Champions League 27/28 almost single handedly gettting us promoted. Which a further years McKenna coaching, confidence of bagging goals for fun in champ he is he the central striker we have in 28/29 that keeps us up and we sell for £100M.
Likely all pie in the sky but I could see Azon doing that. Not Hirst sadly. He has a lot of attributes we need. £10M for a project feels steep but I’d be happy with it.
Also. Apologies for no question marks to all my own questions. Too much sun in Sheringham park! |
Azon is 23 and has played 140+ senior games. He can't finish & I find it hard to believe McKenna or anyone else can teach him how to become markedly better at finishing. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 22:37 - May 25 with 487 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Ivan Azon on 16:51 - May 25 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
13 of which were sub appearances. He’s had a total of 234 minutes in the season and a goal after lighting up the Championship last year. |
If he's hardly played, how do you know he's not good enough? |  |
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| We had Ali as a second striker last time round!! on 03:10 - May 26 with 378 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| We had Ali as a second striker last time round!! on 19:04 - May 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think Delap was signed to be third choice behind Hirst. It just turned out he was better than Hirst.
Of course, I may be wrong and the club may have expected what we got out of Delap. |
Nah, Southampton were heavy in for Delap as well and it apparently it took Ed to get him over the line! Cost was 15M plus add on’s he was not brought into be behind George Hirst.
I’d still have him back, I saw enough from August - January 2024. The rest of that season was a write off and he was getting frustrated. Depends if the new latest Chelsea gaffer wants him and if they will subsidize his wages, don’t see why not really. [Post edited 26 May 3:11]
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| Ivan Azon on 07:09 - May 26 with 336 views | Rimsy |
He's better than Hirst, so get Azon and move Hirst on. Still obviously need a top goalscorer. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 07:38 - May 26 with 309 views | itfcjoe |
| Ivan Azon on 16:15 - May 25 by jayessess |
Suppose it comes down to whether you take his finishing performance this season as definitive. His finishing numbers for Zaragoza last season were respectable enough - 7 goals from 48 shots. If he'd managed that this season, he'd have hit 11 for us in the equivalent of 19 full games. Could be that LaLiga2 to the Championship was a jump, could be just a bit of random variation.
Personally don't think his all-round game was *so* brilliant that you'd take a risk to find out this particular season, as a promoted club in the Premier League. Could see the case for it though. |
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24/25 - 7 from 7.71
23/24 - 5 from 6.98
22/23 - 3 from 4.65
Hirst is being severely underrated in this thread, he did well for us in the PL last time and his game suits what we will be there more than what it was in this league (running in behind and bringing others in vs dropping into congested areas and playing back to goal). It’s going to be massively difficult to sign the 2-3 strikers better than him than people want. He had a ropey spell post injury in January but on the whole was decent enough
Azon is young, and came here and learned system very well in first season abroad - I think he has a long way to go - if he is one of 3 with another more proven in prime striker I’d be totally fine with that. Striker in our system is a tough role to play and he did it well |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 09:18 - May 26 with 252 views | TIB |
Great character and great work ethic but his finishing wasn’t good enough in Champ as we all know. If we were playing two up top, I’d take him, but leading the line, we need someone who is clinical if we want to stay up. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 09:45 - May 26 with 230 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
No doubt Azon improved as the season went on, the main concern has to be his finishing, especially as we won't create as many chances next season and being clinical in front of goal is going to be really important. I wouldn't be focusing on signing him up right now, if we get a nailed-on number one option up front then maybe consider it later but I'd like us to set our sights higher. |  | | |
| Ivan Azon on 09:57 - May 26 with 216 views | Vaughan8 |
Are we still barking on about this guy?
Unfortunately he's not good enough. The only plausible "option" would be to get him cheap, loan him out to a championship side and see how he does.
He should be nowhere near our squad int he PL. Suggesting he gets 10-20 mins a game, is suggesting he's second choice. No thanks. | | | |
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| Ivan Azon on 10:01 - May 26 with 201 views | RobTheMonk |
| Ivan Azon on 07:38 - May 26 by itfcjoe |
Wyscout data
24/25 - 7 from 7.71
23/24 - 5 from 6.98
22/23 - 3 from 4.65
Hirst is being severely underrated in this thread, he did well for us in the PL last time and his game suits what we will be there more than what it was in this league (running in behind and bringing others in vs dropping into congested areas and playing back to goal). It’s going to be massively difficult to sign the 2-3 strikers better than him than people want. He had a ropey spell post injury in January but on the whole was decent enough
Azon is young, and came here and learned system very well in first season abroad - I think he has a long way to go - if he is one of 3 with another more proven in prime striker I’d be totally fine with that. Striker in our system is a tough role to play and he did it well |
There were many time though, Joe, where Hirst's holdup play was quite frankly atrocious. Couldn't shoot, couldn't pass, couldn't control the ball.
Although as you say, that's post injury and a pre-season may do wonders.
It's going to be an interesting windows, that's for sure! |  | | |
| Ivan Azon on 12:08 - May 26 with 106 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ivan Azon on 10:01 - May 26 by RobTheMonk |
There were many time though, Joe, where Hirst's holdup play was quite frankly atrocious. Couldn't shoot, couldn't pass, couldn't control the ball.
Although as you say, that's post injury and a pre-season may do wonders.
It's going to be an interesting windows, that's for sure! |
I like Hirst and what he's done for us, and I think he's worthy of another go at PL level with the radically different requirements we're going to have for our 9, but what you say is painfully true.
It's a risk, but I think the pressure's off him a bit if we make one or two good signings ahead of him, and he can do a job again. Personally, I think Azon would be a better bet, because I think we can iron out his wrinkles. |  |
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| Ivan Azon on 13:29 - May 26 with 58 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ivan Azon on 12:08 - May 26 by NthQldITFC |
I like Hirst and what he's done for us, and I think he's worthy of another go at PL level with the radically different requirements we're going to have for our 9, but what you say is painfully true.
It's a risk, but I think the pressure's off him a bit if we make one or two good signings ahead of him, and he can do a job again. Personally, I think Azon would be a better bet, because I think we can iron out his wrinkles. |
Hirst was back-up to Delap for most of our last season in the PL. I've seen nothing to suggest he's more than a good Championship #9 & he should be no more than our 3rd striker next season if we want to stay up. | |
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| Ivan Azon on 13:40 - May 26 with 50 views | JakeITFC |
I really like Azon and actually would prefer us to buy him than not however:
- I think similar to the Burns decision to be made, we have to upgrade that position and every player we keep leaves one less slot for a signing to be made
- Therefore I think we can only keep one of Hirst/Azon in a squad with two or three out and out central forwards
- Given Hirst is a) a bit more proven at the level b) already ours and c) unlikely to be sold for a number that makes it worth our while, he keeps that berth.
I wouldn't be against signing Azon and loaning him somewhere though as I think there is a really good striker in there. |  | | |
| Ivan Azon on 13:55 - May 26 with 24 views | jayessess |
| Ivan Azon on 07:38 - May 26 by itfcjoe |
Wyscout data
24/25 - 7 from 7.71
23/24 - 5 from 6.98
22/23 - 3 from 4.65
Hirst is being severely underrated in this thread, he did well for us in the PL last time and his game suits what we will be there more than what it was in this league (running in behind and bringing others in vs dropping into congested areas and playing back to goal). It’s going to be massively difficult to sign the 2-3 strikers better than him than people want. He had a ropey spell post injury in January but on the whole was decent enough
Azon is young, and came here and learned system very well in first season abroad - I think he has a long way to go - if he is one of 3 with another more proven in prime striker I’d be totally fine with that. Striker in our system is a tough role to play and he did it well |
Hard to emphasise enough how much more rests on that prime striker than the other two, whoever they may be. If we recruit a main guy and he's either (a) not good enough or (b) not fit most of the time, we're probably toast anyway and no-one we recruit as 2nd or 3rd option is going to make much difference to that equation. |  |
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