| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR 10:31 - May 28 with 11620 views | SitfcB |
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/
Can anyone find the permission notice? There’s usually artist impressions on them and stuff isn’t there? |  |
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:11 - May 30 with 1212 views | EssexBloo |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 08:37 - May 30 by lurcher |
There was a picture taken from the council offices about a week back. Then the footings were about 5-6 meters wide and deeper than the height of a man. [Post edited 30 May 8:48]
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Anyone got updated photo, have they dug it all out this week? |  | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:12 - May 30 with 1208 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 08:37 - May 30 by lurcher |
There was a picture taken from the council offices about a week back. Then the footings were about 5-6 meters wide and deeper than the height of a man. [Post edited 30 May 8:48]
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When you say 'The height of a man' is that Paul Hirst, or Christian Walton? |  |
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:18 - May 30 with 1187 views | lurcher |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:11 - May 30 by EssexBloo |
Anyone got updated photo, have they dug it all out this week? |
I know one of the builders was fired for sharing photos online. I think progress photos will be hard to come by. |  | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:20 - May 30 with 1181 views | lurcher |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:12 - May 30 by Cheltenham_Blue |
When you say 'The height of a man' is that Paul Hirst, or Christian Walton? |
Ha Ha, More of Walton. I am near the end of extending a house, these were deeper and far wider than a single story would require. | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:23 - May 30 with 1173 views | SheffordBlue |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 08:39 - May 30 by lurcher |
You can start work ahead of planning permission being approved. But it's risky as you could be asked to take anything down you have put up. I doubt this will be the case for Town. |
Particularly with the ongoing discussions between club and council about the overall plan for the area. You would imagine the planning authorities are pretty aware of what the club is hoping to do so there shouldn't be too many surprises. | |
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:24 - May 30 with 1168 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:20 - May 30 by lurcher |
Ha Ha, More of Walton. I am near the end of extending a house, these were deeper and far wider than a single story would require. |
OK so that lines up with my thoughts earlier in this thread then.
Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR by Cheltenham_Blue 28 May 13:47There is an interesting use of language in the planning application.
"Expansion of the existing West Stand at Portman Road (Ipswich Town Football Club). Expansion to include the extension of the stand at ground floor level to allow for a larger concourse and relocated Kiosks. Fanzone adjacent to be refurbished to provide more parking provision and a better threshold to the stand."
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it suggests that this is a series of applications for the West Stand Expansion. I assume this is phase one, to be done this summer, followed by the increase in capacity to add the required number of seats next summer.
I guess a big profile change of the existing elevation will take more time through planning than this would, so we have split it into phases.
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:25 - May 30 with 1167 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:18 - May 30 by lurcher |
I know one of the builders was fired for sharing photos online. I think progress photos will be hard to come by. |
I had a look through the gate yesterday and I think I could see some black steel work in that big fat trench. Don't know what it was but. |  |
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:42 - May 30 with 1123 views | hoppy |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:16 - May 28 by Guthrum |
They have hopefully thought about the bricks, but it might be worth getting in touch just in case. |
I hope so.. I’ve got a brick with my name on there, my brother gave me a brick for my birthday - the tight git. |  |
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 10:36 - May 30 with 1057 views | lurcher |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:25 - May 30 by NthQldITFC |
I had a look through the gate yesterday and I think I could see some black steel work in that big fat trench. Don't know what it was but. |
Possibly rebar, reinforcement bar. The concrete is poured over it and it makes a stronger finished lump. my single story extension just had single bars in it every meter or so. | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 10:42 - May 30 with 1039 views | lurcher |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:24 - May 30 by Cheltenham_Blue |
OK so that lines up with my thoughts earlier in this thread then.
Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR by Cheltenham_Blue 28 May 13:47There is an interesting use of language in the planning application.
"Expansion of the existing West Stand at Portman Road (Ipswich Town Football Club). Expansion to include the extension of the stand at ground floor level to allow for a larger concourse and relocated Kiosks. Fanzone adjacent to be refurbished to provide more parking provision and a better threshold to the stand."
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it suggests that this is a series of applications for the West Stand Expansion. I assume this is phase one, to be done this summer, followed by the increase in capacity to add the required number of seats next summer.
I guess a big profile change of the existing elevation will take more time through planning than this would, so we have split it into phases.
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I would agree with that. Also wondered if putting a roof on the concourse would allow for other work, such as stripping the old roof or building the middle of the old stand up behind. All whilst keeping the stand open, with cranes on the new parking area. | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 10:49 - May 30 with 1020 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 10:36 - May 30 by lurcher |
Possibly rebar, reinforcement bar. The concrete is poured over it and it makes a stronger finished lump. my single story extension just had single bars in it every meter or so. |
That was my first thought - and it was a sizable chunk or rebar if it was - but then I would be expecting pile-driving (Neil Thompson maybe?) rather than cast? reinforced concrete lumps? | |
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:04 - May 30 with 991 views | football |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 13:02 - May 28 by blue_curacao |
I'm trying to get my head round where the turnstiles will be. To access the West Stand will we now need to go through one set of turnstiles into the fan zone and then another set to get into the new concourse and the stand itself? |
Just one from my reading of the plans and design and access statement. Similar to Churchman's - you'll just go through the gate or fanzone, which do not have turnstiles, then through the turnstiles to get into the new extended concourse | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:08 - May 30 with 972 views | football |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 13:05 - May 28 by Chris_ITFC |
Anyone else think it just looks a bit dull / unimaginative?
No colour; all that open space with just a couple of portacabins serving food? I know all that stuff doesn’t need planning permission, but at least jazz up the drawings! |
They dont need permission just like seating etc....planning application plans should only show the details that require permission as a condition on the notice is that development needs to be in accordance with the submitted and approved plans. Personally, I was hoping for a large permanent building in the fanzone for when the weather is not so good, but assume they are not doing that to open up options for the use of the area on non football days. It will be a lot better than it was last season
My only thought, and I'm old fashioned, is the plan to open it up so you don't need a ticket to get in. Personally, I would not like the idea of sharing the space with away fans - one of the things I really disliked about Fulham was the sharing of the concourse. I know I'll be in the minority here though
And can we have half and half scarf police at the entrance to remove them from anyone wearing one lol | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:17 - May 30 with 949 views | football |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 13:20 - May 28 by urbanpenguin |
As I wrote on the story comments:
As someone who teaches Landscape Architecture at UCL, I agree it's stupid and annoying that the whole of the practice pitch area appears to become hard surface. This is only not great from an aesthetic standpoint, but a very simple and cheap strategy could easily include trees for shelter, grass for kids, SUDs and level changes to avoid huge runoff in heavy rains. |
Agreed, but presume they are keeping as open as possible so they can maximise its use on non-football days but it could be better. Hopefully they will do things that don't actually require permission and therefore sit outside the application drawings | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:21 - May 30 with 941 views | urbanpenguin |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 09:23 - May 30 by SheffordBlue |
Particularly with the ongoing discussions between club and council about the overall plan for the area. You would imagine the planning authorities are pretty aware of what the club is hoping to do so there shouldn't be too many surprises. |
Except that the Planning App states that it did not include pre-planning negotiations, which I would have expected for a project such as this which they want to get right and quickly. |  | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:24 - May 30 with 933 views | lurcher |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:08 - May 30 by football |
They dont need permission just like seating etc....planning application plans should only show the details that require permission as a condition on the notice is that development needs to be in accordance with the submitted and approved plans. Personally, I was hoping for a large permanent building in the fanzone for when the weather is not so good, but assume they are not doing that to open up options for the use of the area on non football days. It will be a lot better than it was last season
My only thought, and I'm old fashioned, is the plan to open it up so you don't need a ticket to get in. Personally, I would not like the idea of sharing the space with away fans - one of the things I really disliked about Fulham was the sharing of the concourse. I know I'll be in the minority here though
And can we have half and half scarf police at the entrance to remove them from anyone wearing one lol |
They need the open space to build the new tier. Any building and covered space will come later | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:25 - May 30 with 931 views | football |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 13:47 - May 28 by Cheltenham_Blue |
There is an interesting use of language in the planning application.
"Expansion of the existing West Stand at Portman Road (Ipswich Town Football Club). Expansion to include the extension of the stand at ground floor level to allow for a larger concourse and relocated Kiosks. Fanzone adjacent to be refurbished to provide more parking provision and a better threshold to the stand."
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it suggests that this is a series of applications for the West Stand Expansion. I assume this is phase one, to be done this summer, followed by the increase in capacity to add the required number of seats next summer.
I guess a big profile change of the existing elevation will take more time through planning than this would, so we have split it into phases. |
100% correct - this is phase one and a relatively simple planning process that can go through very quickly so they can start work and get it done for the start of the season. The additional tier is much more complex and bound to have delays from statutory consultees and objections from the public (bound to be) which could cause delays. Always better from a planning perspective to split in these cases so they can start work. Suspect plans are pretty advance for the additional tier and will follow so work can commence after this season (although they will have three years from the date of permission to start work). Looks to me that the foundations are being put in for the additional tier so that will be easier.
Whilst we all want the additional tier to facilitate the new Cobbold, there will be all sorts of consultees and public who will look to frustrate or cause delays. Knowing the architects well and having worked with them before, they are a very good legit company and I suspect they are doing extensive pre-application consultations already, especially with the council='s planners and design officers to iron out any issues early doors | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:30 - May 30 with 925 views | football |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 21:57 - May 28 by Zx1988 |
Perhaps another step towards a modern 'slimmed down' badge as well. |
Can't imagine they will change the badge but reckon they'll use the slimmed down version more. Worked really well on our third kit last season. On the gate, I think just the horse is a better look than the full on badge | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:54 - May 30 with 878 views | stonojnr |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:08 - May 30 by football |
They dont need permission just like seating etc....planning application plans should only show the details that require permission as a condition on the notice is that development needs to be in accordance with the submitted and approved plans. Personally, I was hoping for a large permanent building in the fanzone for when the weather is not so good, but assume they are not doing that to open up options for the use of the area on non football days. It will be a lot better than it was last season
My only thought, and I'm old fashioned, is the plan to open it up so you don't need a ticket to get in. Personally, I would not like the idea of sharing the space with away fans - one of the things I really disliked about Fulham was the sharing of the concourse. I know I'll be in the minority here though
And can we have half and half scarf police at the entrance to remove them from anyone wearing one lol |
is that a thing though ? I cant imagine many away fans bother with their opponents fanzone, maybe ones with tiny kids in tow, but theyre no bother are they ?
as for anyone else, yeah Ive always wanted to stand next to the ground drinking very expensive beer in a plastic cup, before a game Im not going too,not.
I suspect its simply easier to allow free access rather than try to enforce a tickets only situation. | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 12:01 - May 30 with 859 views | Leaky |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 13:52 - May 28 by blue_curacao |
If so, that would be great and will definitely help reduce the congestion on the road outside. Will also be interesting to see if they allow any away fans in - personally I would have no issue with that and enjoy chatting with opposition fans before a game but can imagine that there would be some concerns |
Southampton managed it. Was great having a burgher & a pint with the Saints fans. |  | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 12:06 - May 30 with 843 views | football |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 11:21 - May 30 by urbanpenguin |
Except that the Planning App states that it did not include pre-planning negotiations, which I would have expected for a project such as this which they want to get right and quickly. |
A other of councils have scaled back pre-applications due to resourcing issues and some don't even do it anymore. It's a sorry state that planning departments are woefully underfunded and struggle to recruit planners at a more senior level who can deal with the more complex applications. The only way to really fund it is through PPA's but the cost of those is quite extensive and need to then find a contractor normally to deal with it, and they are super expensive
I am sure they will seek to engage for the additional tier. | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 12:08 - May 30 with 837 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 12:01 - May 30 by Leaky |
Southampton managed it. Was great having a burgher & a pint with the Saints fans. |
With Norwich it would be the reeves, I suppose? | |
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| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 12:14 - May 30 with 819 views | football |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 12:08 - May 30 by NthQldITFC |
With Norwich it would be the reeves, I suppose? |
Don't think we'll need to worry about that for some time - lol
But if some bizarre coincidence we get them in the cup, there's not a hope they won't restrict it - would be carnage...no way that could be policed and who would want to have a pint and a burger next to one of them. I presume travel arrangement would be put in place like we had and them getting a police escort from the station or bus parking straight into the ground | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 16:19 - May 30 with 635 views | LRB84UK |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 10:56 - May 28 by underspaces |
They're essentially more than doubling the depth of the concourse, looking at where the stairs are. And then moving all bars to the new side, and making the existing space into toilets. Very minor detail, but hope they're going to be considerate about the named bricks on the floor out the back of the West Stand. |
Hope so as I have one! | | | |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 17:21 - May 30 with 554 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| Ipswich Town submit plans for major changes at PR on 10:56 - May 28 by underspaces |
They're essentially more than doubling the depth of the concourse, looking at where the stairs are. And then moving all bars to the new side, and making the existing space into toilets. Very minor detail, but hope they're going to be considerate about the named bricks on the floor out the back of the West Stand. |
I assume these bricks will become part of the new concourse flooring.
Hopefully the builders will put some protective covering over them during construction. | | | |
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