| Something doesn't feel right about this for me 22:39 - Jun 10 with 14780 views | ITFC_Essex |
I may get a few pelters for bringing this up, and maybe I am being a touch emotional, but something doesn’t feel right.
Ordinarily I would take the statement at face value, a break, family, and so on, but since Farage-gate I have a bitter taste in my mouth and feel I must ask questions of what is happening behind the scenes here. I don’t say this to bring division, but McKenna’s comments since Farage-gate have felt very distant, his statement upon promotion about the changes he had to almost fight here in terms of personnel (against his will) made this his hardest promotion and you just got a feeling, that there is/was something else.
He didn’t seem like he was staying, even then, even though I wanted to believe otherwise.
The club, in terms of communication doesn’t have a lot of credit left in the bank for me, things like telling us Brandon Williams and Omari having flu, seemed minor at the time, but since the nonsense with Farage, especially the lies afterward and the fake apology from Ashton, I just don’t have a good feeling about the man or trust what the club puts out. Some of the statements made by ex-players, we howled at like Wolfenden, or Broadheads family on socials, about their game time and departures. It just all doesn’t feel as straightforward as it might appear. Even the Sam S stuff going round seemed bizarre, utterly bizarre.
We have one man wielding all the power of a CEO and Chairman, a man that appears to be almost un sackable. You have a situation where clubs like Fulham are showing interest, and McKenna chooses to walk away, allegedly 2-weeks ago after promotion. Really? A manager very much looking upwards in his career, and a club, Ipswich, on paper, that we’re told is much better prepared than last time for the Premier League. After McKenna walking away before a ball is kicked, I am not so sure, in fact, I am very sceptical of the whole thing.
It seems, with the poor pool of managers available for us to attract, and a key element of our success in effect walking away, this wasn’t exactly an ideal time for a change. I also fear than many key players will be for the chopping block soon, and I don’t know if yet have the scope in terms of recruitment, to bed a new manager, new team and adjust to the Premier League in one swoop. I think this could all end very badly for us if we get it wrong, and Ashton will be the villain if it does.
Maybe I am wrong, but Ashton lost my trust and something doesn’t feel right about any of this. Especially given that we were told that McKenna had a big hand in the new facilities and so on. I feel there’s been a falling out, and I think at the centre of that was the nonsense with Nigel Farage.
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:31 - Jun 12 with 692 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:23 - Jun 12 by SuffolkPunchFC |
"He wants to move on. This was the only way."
What evidence do you have. It's a ridiculous take to say it was the only way if he wanted to leave. There were other ways out which would not have involved him taking a break.
There are far too many people who want this to be something other that what it has been said to be. Posters who want to make it about them, and not respect the people who are directly involved - Kieran, his family, his colleagues, the players, etc |
The club wanted to remain protected. They refused to budge on the release clause. Kieran's head was turned and drained from managing here. In his mind, he'd done his time here.
The only alternative was to place him on gardening leave for the next 12 months, so that any club that comes in for him ensures we're still financially compensated.
I'm full of love and gratitude for Kieran's time here. But this is what's happened. It's the only way they could end on mutually beneficial terms. [Post edited 12 Jun 9:32]
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:35 - Jun 12 with 673 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:31 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
The club wanted to remain protected. They refused to budge on the release clause. Kieran's head was turned and drained from managing here. In his mind, he'd done his time here.
The only alternative was to place him on gardening leave for the next 12 months, so that any club that comes in for him ensures we're still financially compensated.
I'm full of love and gratitude for Kieran's time here. But this is what's happened. It's the only way they could end on mutually beneficial terms. [Post edited 12 Jun 9:32]
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Please dont make claims you dont have evidence for and which essentially paint KM and others as liars. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:39 - Jun 12 with 648 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:35 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
Please dont make claims you dont have evidence for and which essentially paint KM and others as liars. |
I do have evidence, but I'm not sharing it in a public domain. Several posters on here know why.
I don't understand why it's so controversial? Kieran wanted out. We didn't want to miss out on the £7-8m compensation, and why should we? He signed that deal in good faith in 2024. It was agreed that he'd step down, we'd carry on paying him for the next 12 months until he sorts out a new club who'll pay his release clause pro rata. So in 6 months' time, he'll be available for £3.5-£4m. [Post edited 12 Jun 9:39]
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:49 - Jun 12 with 575 views | hype313 |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:39 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
I do have evidence, but I'm not sharing it in a public domain. Several posters on here know why.
I don't understand why it's so controversial? Kieran wanted out. We didn't want to miss out on the £7-8m compensation, and why should we? He signed that deal in good faith in 2024. It was agreed that he'd step down, we'd carry on paying him for the next 12 months until he sorts out a new club who'll pay his release clause pro rata. So in 6 months' time, he'll be available for £3.5-£4m. [Post edited 12 Jun 9:39]
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So what your saying is, in a nutshell, Fulham wanted him, he wanted to go to Fulham, but the £8m was the stumbling block? They tried to negotiate it, We weren't having it and they walked away, meanwhile Kieran was mentally checked out having been so close to joining Fulham?
Is that it, in a roundabout way? |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:50 - Jun 12 with 574 views | BseaBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:39 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
I do have evidence, but I'm not sharing it in a public domain. Several posters on here know why.
I don't understand why it's so controversial? Kieran wanted out. We didn't want to miss out on the £7-8m compensation, and why should we? He signed that deal in good faith in 2024. It was agreed that he'd step down, we'd carry on paying him for the next 12 months until he sorts out a new club who'll pay his release clause pro rata. So in 6 months' time, he'll be available for £3.5-£4m. [Post edited 12 Jun 9:39]
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Kind of makes you think though that once we have appointed someone, we may as well just take a few million quid and let him go about his ways. I'm not sure Ashton will be feeling as generous though. |  | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:52 - Jun 12 with 558 views | MathieandMarshall |
the timing does feel strange in that the ribbon is about to be cut to open the state of the art training ground that KMc requested and had a big role in... we've just won promotion to the Prem and have the financial backing to go again etc..
However It might be far more simple.
Kieran looked tired at the end of the season. He's a grafter and works silly hours every day, never switches off. Maybe he's reflected, realises it will be a big job to keep us up and feels like his stock will potentially never be higher than it is now. He can carry on, get another relegation on his CV , or worse, be sacked at Xmas when we are in the bottom 3! or he can move on now as a legend at the club that gave him his chance in management.
He's maybe looked at the jobs available, doesn't fancy Fulham (or they wouldn't pay the £8m) so feels its a good time to take a break, assess what jobs come up later in the season and go again refreshed at a bigger club.
There are a lot of clubs in the Prem with new Managers this summer, even jobs like Celtic will be available in 12 months. |  | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:52 - Jun 12 with 550 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:39 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
I do have evidence, but I'm not sharing it in a public domain. Several posters on here know why.
I don't understand why it's so controversial? Kieran wanted out. We didn't want to miss out on the £7-8m compensation, and why should we? He signed that deal in good faith in 2024. It was agreed that he'd step down, we'd carry on paying him for the next 12 months until he sorts out a new club who'll pay his release clause pro rata. So in 6 months' time, he'll be available for £3.5-£4m. [Post edited 12 Jun 9:39]
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So we will pay him for the next six moths then take half the compensation we would have been due? Surely it would have made more financial sense to negotiate downwards on his compensation without having to continue to pay him? |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:53 - Jun 12 with 549 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:49 - Jun 12 by hype313 |
So what your saying is, in a nutshell, Fulham wanted him, he wanted to go to Fulham, but the £8m was the stumbling block? They tried to negotiate it, We weren't having it and they walked away, meanwhile Kieran was mentally checked out having been so close to joining Fulham?
Is that it, in a roundabout way? |
It's not necessarily the Fulham job. That role is one of several that could be open to him in the coming months. Yes, he'd mentally checked-out. That's essentially it. And who can blame him in a way? Such an intense period over the last 4 years.
He will certainly take advantage of the break with his family over the coming months, but I'd be putting my mortgage on him returning to football within the next 6 months as his compensation diminishes. | | | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:56 - Jun 12 with 527 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:52 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
So we will pay him for the next six moths then take half the compensation we would have been due? Surely it would have made more financial sense to negotiate downwards on his compensation without having to continue to pay him? |
Doing it this way prevents him from going to a perceived rival PL club (a la Fulham) in the next 4 weeks without being fully compensated.
I'd imagine the Dec/Jan merry-go-round will see him appointed somewhere. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:58 - Jun 12 with 508 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:53 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
It's not necessarily the Fulham job. That role is one of several that could be open to him in the coming months. Yes, he'd mentally checked-out. That's essentially it. And who can blame him in a way? Such an intense period over the last 4 years.
He will certainly take advantage of the break with his family over the coming months, but I'd be putting my mortgage on him returning to football within the next 6 months as his compensation diminishes. |
Imagine Trimboli has told him he can get him job X/Y and that club will be willing pay £3/4m compo if their manager starts badly this season. Worst case for him he is the hottest free agent manager on the market next summer. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:59 - Jun 12 with 498 views | itfc_statman |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:53 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
It's not necessarily the Fulham job. That role is one of several that could be open to him in the coming months. Yes, he'd mentally checked-out. That's essentially it. And who can blame him in a way? Such an intense period over the last 4 years.
He will certainly take advantage of the break with his family over the coming months, but I'd be putting my mortgage on him returning to football within the next 6 months as his compensation diminishes. |
You have to remember this forum is sort of full with the naivety of "The club would never tell us mistruths about the Farage debacle, it's all on Nigel!!"
What you say checks out and follows logic. It also allows both to leave amicably in the public domain without any parting words - Ashton would like to avoid that pressure from fans etc. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:00 - Jun 12 with 491 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:39 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
I do have evidence, but I'm not sharing it in a public domain. Several posters on here know why.
I don't understand why it's so controversial? Kieran wanted out. We didn't want to miss out on the £7-8m compensation, and why should we? He signed that deal in good faith in 2024. It was agreed that he'd step down, we'd carry on paying him for the next 12 months until he sorts out a new club who'll pay his release clause pro rata. So in 6 months' time, he'll be available for £3.5-£4m. [Post edited 12 Jun 9:39]
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Sounds like nonsense. Why would we continue paying? And why would a release clause be pro rata? | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:02 - Jun 12 with 486 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:59 - Jun 12 by itfc_statman |
You have to remember this forum is sort of full with the naivety of "The club would never tell us mistruths about the Farage debacle, it's all on Nigel!!"
What you say checks out and follows logic. It also allows both to leave amicably in the public domain without any parting words - Ashton would like to avoid that pressure from fans etc. |
Amicable split in the public domain is a great way of putting it. Listen to what Ashton said about it yesterday i.e Kieran choosing to "go in his way". And from what I'm led to believe it's an amicable split behind the scenes too, it's just business and a big company covering themselves. [Post edited 12 Jun 10:03]
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:03 - Jun 12 with 481 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:02 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
Amicable split in the public domain is a great way of putting it. Listen to what Ashton said about it yesterday i.e Kieran choosing to "go in his way". And from what I'm led to believe it's an amicable split behind the scenes too, it's just business and a big company covering themselves. [Post edited 12 Jun 10:03]
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Your description makes no sense.
The club are not covered in any way if they continue paying as you claim. | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:04 - Jun 12 with 477 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:03 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
Your description makes no sense.
The club are not covered in any way if they continue paying as you claim. |
If it makes no sense to you, I can't help you I'm afraid. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:09 - Jun 12 with 459 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:04 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
If it makes no sense to you, I can't help you I'm afraid. |
You could come up with an explanation for the massive flaw in what you say. Namely the idea that the club would continue paying a manager who has chosen to leave, for no obvious reason | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:10 - Jun 12 with 454 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:09 - Jun 12 by redrickstuhaart |
You could come up with an explanation for the massive flaw in what you say. Namely the idea that the club would continue paying a manager who has chosen to leave, for no obvious reason |
For no obvious reason? How about 7.5-8 million reasons? | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:12 - Jun 12 with 445 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:04 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
If it makes no sense to you, I can't help you I'm afraid. |
Makes no sense to me either.
"It was agreed that he'd step down, we'd carry on paying him for the next 12 months until he sorts out a new club who'll pay his release clause pro rata."
So we keep paying him to not work for us, and we get less compo when he gets a new job as well?! What on earth is the benefit to the club for all this? |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:13 - Jun 12 with 435 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:12 - Jun 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Makes no sense to me either.
"It was agreed that he'd step down, we'd carry on paying him for the next 12 months until he sorts out a new club who'll pay his release clause pro rata."
So we keep paying him to not work for us, and we get less compo when he gets a new job as well?! What on earth is the benefit to the club for all this? |
We stop him from working for a rival club that could send us down instead?! Come on. He had a perfectly good 2 year deal left. We're supposed to rip that up, are we? If anything, the club have been really good to Kieran here. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:15 - Jun 12 with 420 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:10 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
For no obvious reason? How about 7.5-8 million reasons? |
That's the money due to us if he goes to another club, not due to McKenna. If we keep paying him to not work for us then we lose money that way AND don't get the compensation. Again, how are these "reasons" benefitting the club? | |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:17 - Jun 12 with 406 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:04 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
If it makes no sense to you, I can't help you I'm afraid. |
It makes no sense when the club could have ' Frozen' his contract, allowed him that time off he wants with family, and then when a club wants him regardless of when that happens, they would have to unfreeze his contract which would then result in the club still getting the original 8 mill release fee
All that's happened if you version is true is town have bent over again for a person like we did with morsy and NOT looking after the clubs interests which does go against ashtons words. |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:18 - Jun 12 with 397 views | BseaBlue |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:15 - Jun 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's the money due to us if he goes to another club, not due to McKenna. If we keep paying him to not work for us then we lose money that way AND don't get the compensation. Again, how are these "reasons" benefitting the club? |
If he has made the decision that he is refusing to carry on working for us then we are not left with much choice are we? Outside of ripping up his contract (which would be daft) then placing him on gardening leave protects the clause for a period of time and means he can't go to a competitor whilst we are trying to gain some stability in the Prem. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:20 - Jun 12 with 385 views | portmanking |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:15 - Jun 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's the money due to us if he goes to another club, not due to McKenna. If we keep paying him to not work for us then we lose money that way AND don't get the compensation. Again, how are these "reasons" benefitting the club? |
That's the absolute worst-case scenario. But the club clearly feels it's better to pay him a year's salary (max) and avoid him working for a team we're looking to leapfrog. That 12 month salary is a pittance compared to another £240m+ for staying up. | | | |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:20 - Jun 12 with 385 views | Ryorry |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 09:53 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
It's not necessarily the Fulham job. That role is one of several that could be open to him in the coming months. Yes, he'd mentally checked-out. That's essentially it. And who can blame him in a way? Such an intense period over the last 4 years.
He will certainly take advantage of the break with his family over the coming months, but I'd be putting my mortgage on him returning to football within the next 6 months as his compensation diminishes. |
Well put your money where your mouth is then.
I’ll bet you a tenner, proceeds to go to a charity of the ‘winner’s’ choice, that he won’t be back in football within 6 months. |  |
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| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:22 - Jun 12 with 372 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Something doesn't feel right about this for me on 10:10 - Jun 12 by portmanking |
For no obvious reason? How about 7.5-8 million reasons? |
How does paying him not to work achieve 7.5 to 8m? | |
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