| Does OGS make the most sense? 07:39 - Jun 14 with 4488 views | Sparky85 |
Have been looking into OGS tactics etc just a comparison with Knutsen. I’ve often thought maybe OGS makes the most sense and here’s why:
Favoured tactic is 4-2-3-1 (Knutsen a 4-3-3)
Plays with 2 in the midfield pivot
Clearly has links with the club
Would maybe result in less staff turnover
OGS plays a mid press and more counter attacking, which is different to McKenna but maybe exactly what we need to do in the prem with less possession.
Knutsen plays a possession based, high press, structured attack.
If it is between OGS and Knutsen, then I think I’m personally still in favour of a complete change with KK. I just wonder whether the club may look at more of the same, which certainly wouldn’t be a bad thing.
I don’t have many negative on either potential appointment should it be one of these 2
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 10:08 - Jun 14 with 3383 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Well the negative on Ole is that his best work was done at United where McKenna and Carrick did a lot of the heavy lifting for him coaching wise if you believe reports.
His managerial resume without those guys is far less impressive. |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 10:54 - Jun 14 with 3241 views | blueoutlook |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 10:08 - Jun 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Well the negative on Ole is that his best work was done at United where McKenna and Carrick did a lot of the heavy lifting for him coaching wise if you believe reports.
His managerial resume without those guys is far less impressive. |
I’m not sure Knutsen is the answer either. 57, never managed in a top league. Yes, some good results in Europe but that isn’t the week in week out slog that the Premiership will be. OGS may also have the pulling power when it comes to getting players in that Knutsen may not have either. |  | | |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 11:09 - Jun 14 with 3182 views | billlm |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 10:54 - Jun 14 by blueoutlook |
I’m not sure Knutsen is the answer either. 57, never managed in a top league. Yes, some good results in Europe but that isn’t the week in week out slog that the Premiership will be. OGS may also have the pulling power when it comes to getting players in that Knutsen may not have either. |
I read somewhere when they were on a good run in Europe was mostly built on home form,
Artificial pitch,
Very cold temperatures, |  | | |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 11:11 - Jun 14 with 3182 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 10:54 - Jun 14 by blueoutlook |
I’m not sure Knutsen is the answer either. 57, never managed in a top league. Yes, some good results in Europe but that isn’t the week in week out slog that the Premiership will be. OGS may also have the pulling power when it comes to getting players in that Knutsen may not have either. |
There are certainly some valid concerns with Knutsen, the ones you’ve mentioned. I think he’s at a club with amazing structure around him so it could be a bit Thomas Frank like when you take him out of it. What I like about him is that he’s taking scalps in the Champions league and that’s what we need to do next season and he’s used to coming up with games plans against teams that are going to dominate the ball.
Ole seems a good bloke and the right sort of character. Has got some prem experience but just given how well KM and Carrick have done since leaving United I am a bit concerned that he’s more a figurehead than a great coach and I would much prefer the latter. I’m not completely against him but definitely not as enthusiastic as some fans are given his record.
There is no perfect candidate though. | |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 11:21 - Jun 14 with 3122 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 10:08 - Jun 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Well the negative on Ole is that his best work was done at United where McKenna and Carrick did a lot of the heavy lifting for him coaching wise if you believe reports.
His managerial resume without those guys is far less impressive. |
"His managerial resume without those guys is far less impressive."
That's not entirely true. His win percentage at Besiktas is on a par with his time at United, and his win percentage at Molde (without Carrick and McKenna) was better than at United.
His 'blip' is definitely Cardiff, but he was in a club where Vincent Tan was at his bonkers owner peak with fan protests, and attempting to change the club colours to red. Not an easy job by any stretch.
EDIT: Still doesn't make him the right man though, but he is perhaps the manager which will need the least institutional change at the club. [Post edited 14 Jun 11:22]
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 11:35 - Jun 14 with 3016 views | muccletonjoe |
We are not going to appoint a manager who is universally accepted as the best choice. . In my opinion OGS , is as near as we will get. |  | | |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:09 - Jun 14 with 2662 views | BeachBlue |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 11:21 - Jun 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"His managerial resume without those guys is far less impressive."
That's not entirely true. His win percentage at Besiktas is on a par with his time at United, and his win percentage at Molde (without Carrick and McKenna) was better than at United.
His 'blip' is definitely Cardiff, but he was in a club where Vincent Tan was at his bonkers owner peak with fan protests, and attempting to change the club colours to red. Not an easy job by any stretch.
EDIT: Still doesn't make him the right man though, but he is perhaps the manager which will need the least institutional change at the club. [Post edited 14 Jun 11:22]
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With respect, Sir Bobby Robson has blips before joining Ipswich.
So you can (possibly) overlook Cardiff and (maybe) consider the relationship with the owner/chairman? |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:11 - Jun 14 with 2644 views | nrb1985 |
The best reason for Ole would be that he would be reasonably seamless having worked with some of the backroom staff.
Those same staff may wish to join KM as and when resurfaces though. Then what. | | | |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:14 - Jun 14 with 2627 views | StokieBlue |
Wouldn't 433 be a bit more solid in the PL? Having 3 CM's in there and then having our wingers play further forward and dropping back when defending would seem a bit more solid than the 4231.
Hard to say I guess until the actual tactics on how each formation would be played was known.
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:16 - Jun 14 with 2614 views | Kieran_Knows |
OGS ranks 4th on my list.
1 - Carlos Cuesta
2 - Kjetil Knutsen
3 - Sebastian Pocognoli
4 - OGS
5 - Gary O’Neill |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:20 - Jun 14 with 2597 views | StokieBlue |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:16 - Jun 14 by Kieran_Knows |
OGS ranks 4th on my list.
1 - Carlos Cuesta
2 - Kjetil Knutsen
3 - Sebastian Pocognoli
4 - OGS
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I had to look up two of those names.
1) He's only 30 which would surely make him the youngest PL coach ever?
3) Do you really think we can take a coach from Monaco? That would be impressive.
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:21 - Jun 14 with 2588 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:20 - Jun 14 by StokieBlue |
I had to look up two of those names.
1) He's only 30 which would surely make him the youngest PL coach ever?
3) Do you really think we can take a coach from Monaco? That would be impressive.
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He’s an incredibly highly rated coach who spent a number of years as first team coach at Arsenal and has been credited with his one to one work with certain players there. Arteta was loathed to lose him, and he’s done a good job in Serie A, would be quite the coup for us.
Should’ve mentioned, he’s about to lose his job at Monaco. | |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:34 - Jun 14 with 2507 views | andyblue231 |
Not scientific and definitely prone to error, but there are some managers you look at and you just think "yeah you've got this". I just absolutely do not look at OGS and feel like he's got it at all. [Post edited 14 Jun 17:34]
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:43 - Jun 14 with 2454 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:09 - Jun 14 by BeachBlue |
With respect, Sir Bobby Robson has blips before joining Ipswich.
So you can (possibly) overlook Cardiff and (maybe) consider the relationship with the owner/chairman? |
Makes good sense to read the posts that you are replying to. | |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:54 - Jun 14 with 2387 views | MK1 |
We need a manager who plays a minimum of 3 in midfield. We were far too easy to get at last time round. Someone who plays 4-3-3 gets my vote. If Ole is flexible with his formation, then I would still go for him, but we will need to be strong in midfield if we are to survive. |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 20:24 - Jun 14 with 2130 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:54 - Jun 14 by MK1 |
We need a manager who plays a minimum of 3 in midfield. We were far too easy to get at last time round. Someone who plays 4-3-3 gets my vote. If Ole is flexible with his formation, then I would still go for him, but we will need to be strong in midfield if we are to survive. |
You dont have to play 3 in midfield you just need 2 midfielders who are mobile, last time in the prem we barely had 1 midfield who was mobile. | |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 21:48 - Jun 14 with 1893 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:20 - Jun 14 by StokieBlue |
I had to look up two of those names.
1) He's only 30 which would surely make him the youngest PL coach ever?
3) Do you really think we can take a coach from Monaco? That would be impressive.
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3 - Sebastian Pocognoli also played for WBA ha!
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:32 - Jun 16 with 1378 views | catch74 |
Sounds like he’s at PR today!? |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:39 - Jun 16 with 1331 views | BseaBlue |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:32 - Jun 16 by catch74 |
Sounds like he’s at PR today!? |
Def info? |  | | |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:39 - Jun 16 with 1330 views | Swansea_Blue |
He’s had a bit of a disrupted career lately hasn’t he? I don’t know whether that lack of momentum since leaving Man U is a particularly good thing. Not one I have strong views on tbh. |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:47 - Jun 16 with 1281 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
Maybe I have misremembered but I always thought the verdict on Ole at Man U was that he was tactically very weak, as soon as their counterattack stopped being as effective. Can't get excited by the prospect of his appointment. | | | |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:52 - Jun 16 with 1261 views | catch74 |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:39 - Jun 16 by BseaBlue |
Def info? |
From a mate’s reliable source but not someone I know. | |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 14:54 - Jun 16 with 1248 views | rickw |
I think OGS would be a huge gamble, I'm happy to ignore Cardiff but he was sacked after 7 months at Besiktas - which isn't abnormal there but also doesn't shout "he's the one" to me...
I think I'd go for Dyche, I think he'd keep us up and establish us as a safe PL team, also the money we're likely to spend will be the most he's ever had!! |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 15:11 - Jun 16 with 1180 views | Radlett_blue |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 17:09 - Jun 14 by BeachBlue |
With respect, Sir Bobby Robson has blips before joining Ipswich.
So you can (possibly) overlook Cardiff and (maybe) consider the relationship with the owner/chairman? |
Robson had very little managerial experience. He'd been joint player-manager of Vancouver Royals in the NASL with Ferenc Puskas, an arrangement that was never going to work. He took over a Fulham side in January 1968 who were virtually doomed to relegation. They were only 8th in the 2nd division when they sacked Robson in November.
So he had very little managerial experience when Town took a chance on him. If there were message boards then, imagine the melt-down at the appointment! |  |
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| Does OGS make the most sense? on 15:19 - Jun 16 with 1144 views | Hermann_eats_puffin |
| Does OGS make the most sense? on 21:48 - Jun 14 by WolfieAtTheBack |
3 - Sebastian Pocognoli also played for WBA ha!
You never know. |
On the basis that he's permeably know of some good targets regarding players to go for from France and Belgium (where there is much better value to be had than from in England) I like the sound of Sébastien Pocognoli!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Probably a bit of an ambitious target though given that he's been managing Monaco and an outside bet at best and whether or not he's even our radar is perhaps doubtful although you just never know.
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