| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON 10:16 - Jun 20 with 5113 views | Blue_Heath |
If the Naaridge connection then why was Nunez worshipped so much?
His managerial record a bit mixed but he has kept two clubs up.
Finally, be honest who had heard of KM 5 years ago?
Would like to know your thoughts but let’s get behind him and hope we can put up a better fight of staying up than last time around. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:46 - Jun 20 with 2920 views | billlm |
I think we will make a better fist of it this time,
It's because some of our fans have inflated egos and yes we are the best that's why we support them but doesn't always meen we can get the best,
On paper he seems underwhelming because of McKenna and the supporters now expectations,
In a nut shell doesn't mean he won't do the job for which he is being employed,
It's an even more difficult transition period going up this time loosing your manager but that's life time will tell,
If we had chucked stupid money and got klopp we'd still be in a transition period and he'd be no more guaranteed than GON, ENJOY THE RIDE,,,,, you never know, |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:50 - Jun 20 with 2897 views | Churchman |
He can be ex-Norwich, Satan Allstars or Farage’s love child for all I care. The new manager is an employee of the club here to do a job. He’s not a supporter, the club was here before him and hopefully will be another with lots of honours against his name.
Anything beyond his job forming a team that can compete, win a few games and play the game properly is just noise. He can praise the facilities, Ashton’s executive desk toys and kiss the badge until it drops off for all I care. Not interested.
What I am interested in is to see him get a clean slate, no preconceptions, fresh start, maximum support and sufficient time to his job.
Obviously, the only condition is that if he doesn’t like cheese, he’s dead to me. [Post edited 20 Jun 10:53]
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:54 - Jun 20 with 2862 views | FrimleyBlue |
His stats at bournmouth were shocking and why he got sacked as they knew they wluldmt get lucky again. and he then took an established prem club and made them relegation candidates. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:55 - Jun 20 with 2849 views | DanTheMan |
I just don't think he's very good.
I'll be fully behind him when he joins, like I have been every manager.
I fully hope I'm wrong and he's a roaring success. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:55 - Jun 20 with 2844 views | Vaughan8 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:54 - Jun 20 by FrimleyBlue |
His stats at bournmouth were shocking and why he got sacked as they knew they wluldmt get lucky again. and he then took an established prem club and made them relegation candidates. |
Were they worse than McKennas stats last time in the PL?
Were they worse than Solskjaers stats at Cardiff? | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:56 - Jun 20 with 2833 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:54 - Jun 20 by FrimleyBlue |
His stats at bournmouth were shocking and why he got sacked as they knew they wluldmt get lucky again. and he then took an established prem club and made them relegation candidates. |
What was shocking about getting a 15th place finish for a newly promoted team?
Remember KM has the worst win % in premier league history for anyone who has manged 25+ matches. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:57 - Jun 20 with 2823 views | bluebud |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:55 - Jun 20 by Vaughan8 |
Were they worse than McKennas stats last time in the PL?
Were they worse than Solskjaers stats at Cardiff? |
Similar enough to know he's not an obvious upgrade as surely that's what we should have been aiming for. |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:58 - Jun 20 with 2813 views | Vaughan8 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:56 - Jun 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
What was shocking about getting a 15th place finish for a newly promoted team?
Remember KM has the worst win % in premier league history for anyone who has manged 25+ matches. |
1 home win is so bad too.
If we are going to stay up, that needs to be at least 5 or more. | | | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:58 - Jun 20 with 2801 views | southnorfolkblue |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:54 - Jun 20 by FrimleyBlue |
His stats at bournmouth were shocking and why he got sacked as they knew they wluldmt get lucky again. and he then took an established prem club and made them relegation candidates. |
What’s your definition of shocking? He kept Bournemouth up! | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:59 - Jun 20 with 2789 views | Vaughan8 |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:57 - Jun 20 by bluebud |
Similar enough to know he's not an obvious upgrade as surely that's what we should have been aiming for. |
Some of the other manager suggestions like Thomas Frank were delusional. He's earned the right to a higher job than our.
Who would you have hired then?
Keeping a team in the PL is definitely an improvement we'd all take right now. [Post edited 20 Jun 11:00]
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| SIMILAR? on 11:03 - Jun 20 with 2714 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:57 - Jun 20 by bluebud |
Similar enough to know he's not an obvious upgrade as surely that's what we should have been aiming for. |
Bournemouth: 39 points from 34 matches = 1.1 pts per match.
KM at Ipswich: 22 points from 38 matches = 0.6 points per match.
Similar? Bear in mind Parker had lost the first four matches for them | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:04 - Jun 20 with 2703 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:58 - Jun 20 by southnorfolkblue |
What’s your definition of shocking? He kept Bournemouth up! |
Bournemouth: 39 points from 34 matches = 1.1 pts per match.
Bear in mind Parker had lost the first four matches for them, and left on the back of a 9-0 defeat.
KM at Ipswich: 22 points from 38 matches = 0.6 points per match. | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:13 - Jun 20 with 2625 views | NedPlimpton |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:54 - Jun 20 by FrimleyBlue |
His stats at bournmouth were shocking and why he got sacked as they knew they wluldmt get lucky again. and he then took an established prem club and made them relegation candidates. |
What stats are you referring to Frimmers?
He did well enough at Bournemouth to secure the job permanently after initially being appoint on an interim basis. He also managed to keep them up when they were widely tipped for relegation.
Would be interested to know what stats you mean? I know Sunderland for example have outperformed their XG this year but most people seem to think that's the route we should go down recruitment wise |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:14 - Jun 20 with 2618 views | TrumptonBlue |
I guess for most of us, our most recent memory of him as a manager is his Wolves team being an ill-disciplined shambles while losing at home to us. That won't have left a great impression.
Otherwise, his record is OK, I guess. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but I'm not sure who would. I'm neither outraged nor excited. |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:14 - Jun 20 with 2617 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 10:57 - Jun 20 by bluebud |
Similar enough to know he's not an obvious upgrade as surely that's what we should have been aiming for. |
Such a simple notion to throw around like it's a tick box on an online order.
It's so easy to moan about some unknown but all conquering mythical person who would have simultaneously been absolutely brilliant, exciting but under the radar and available and wanting to come here.
Do you think we weren't aiming for the best candidate somehow? What you're talking about, I assume, is taking a big risk on an unknown or inexperienced manager from the continent or wherever and chucking them straight in to a relegation dog fight in the toughest league in the world.
I don't especially love the appointment but I'm coming round to the pragmatism of it and the reality of the situation. |  | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:20 - Jun 20 with 2560 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:13 - Jun 20 by NedPlimpton |
What stats are you referring to Frimmers?
He did well enough at Bournemouth to secure the job permanently after initially being appoint on an interim basis. He also managed to keep them up when they were widely tipped for relegation.
Would be interested to know what stats you mean? I know Sunderland for example have outperformed their XG this year but most people seem to think that's the route we should go down recruitment wise |
The simplest answer is the XG and Xpts, they were the worst in the division that year. Their goal difference was also terrible. Made the point elsewhere but they were saved by a freak 5 wins in 7 in the April, and a few those were very much against the run of play.
Was a similar story the season after at Wolves outperformed their XG and XPts considerably, admittedly they were better on those than the 3 relegated sides, but given how poor they were, i dont consider that a huge endorsement for what was a the time an established Premier League side.
The season where he didn't outperform the underlying metrics, we all know what happened.
I've made the point elsewhere, but it feels like a very lazy appointment that feels poor to okay on first thought, and has felt worse and worse the more I've looked into it. Will back the team all the way, just cannot shake the feeling that it's late June and we've already thrown away our best chance to stay in the Premier League in 20 years. | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:22 - Jun 20 with 2542 views | Gary_Knows |
I can tell you 2 reasons …
1) ex Norwich player.
2) BuT hE W0Z OrFUL @ WulVES. Forgetting that it’s clearly a Wolves, as the manager that kept them after up O’Neill then sh@t the bed at the beginning of last season with a similar record to O’Neill the previous year and got the can.
Up Gary O’Neills tricky blues. |  |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:27 - Jun 20 with 2519 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:20 - Jun 20 by SouthfieldsBlue |
The simplest answer is the XG and Xpts, they were the worst in the division that year. Their goal difference was also terrible. Made the point elsewhere but they were saved by a freak 5 wins in 7 in the April, and a few those were very much against the run of play.
Was a similar story the season after at Wolves outperformed their XG and XPts considerably, admittedly they were better on those than the 3 relegated sides, but given how poor they were, i dont consider that a huge endorsement for what was a the time an established Premier League side.
The season where he didn't outperform the underlying metrics, we all know what happened.
I've made the point elsewhere, but it feels like a very lazy appointment that feels poor to okay on first thought, and has felt worse and worse the more I've looked into it. Will back the team all the way, just cannot shake the feeling that it's late June and we've already thrown away our best chance to stay in the Premier League in 20 years. |
I'll give more credence to real points, and league position.
For genuine comparison are they Gary O'Neil stats, or Bournemouth stats? Have you removed Scott Parkers 4 heavy losses from those stats? [Post edited 20 Jun 11:28]
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:36 - Jun 20 with 2440 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:27 - Jun 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'll give more credence to real points, and league position.
For genuine comparison are they Gary O'Neil stats, or Bournemouth stats? Have you removed Scott Parkers 4 heavy losses from those stats? [Post edited 20 Jun 11:28]
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Yes, they are O'Neils stats taking out Parkers 1 win and 3 defeats. | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON (n/t) on 11:40 - Jun 20 with 2408 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:36 - Jun 20 by SouthfieldsBlue |
Yes, they are O'Neils stats taking out Parkers 1 win and 3 defeats. |
Id be happy with over a point per game next season. [Post edited 20 Jun 11:42]
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:42 - Jun 20 with 2370 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:13 - Jun 20 by NedPlimpton |
What stats are you referring to Frimmers?
He did well enough at Bournemouth to secure the job permanently after initially being appoint on an interim basis. He also managed to keep them up when they were widely tipped for relegation.
Would be interested to know what stats you mean? I know Sunderland for example have outperformed their XG this year but most people seem to think that's the route we should go down recruitment wise |
I shared them al last night
The reason he got sacked was for each metric other than the league position itself bournwmouth were down the bottom
They were helped massively by the gk making over 100 saves and solanke who scotered a lot of goals that were extremely unlikely to be scored.
Its why he got sacked. Bournemouth knew they got lucky that season to do it twice would have been unlikely. | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:45 - Jun 20 with 2304 views | NedPlimpton |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:42 - Jun 20 by FrimleyBlue |
I shared them al last night
The reason he got sacked was for each metric other than the league position itself bournwmouth were down the bottom
They were helped massively by the gk making over 100 saves and solanke who scotered a lot of goals that were extremely unlikely to be scored.
Its why he got sacked. Bournemouth knew they got lucky that season to do it twice would have been unlikely. |
Could you reshare? There's a million threads about GON and I don't really want to go back through them all | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:51 - Jun 20 with 2235 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:42 - Jun 20 by FrimleyBlue |
I shared them al last night
The reason he got sacked was for each metric other than the league position itself bournwmouth were down the bottom
They were helped massively by the gk making over 100 saves and solanke who scotered a lot of goals that were extremely unlikely to be scored.
Its why he got sacked. Bournemouth knew they got lucky that season to do it twice would have been unlikely. |
Would he get sacked for that here, or praised?! Keeping us up despite many stats and metrics saying we shouldn't be?
I assume that's almost what's got him the job! Ability to exist in a struggling situation, scrap it out, get points against the odds. Similarly, if he does it for a season or a bit more, I expect we'd then maybe upgrade but he'd have take us up a level by that point. | | | |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:54 - Jun 20 with 2217 views | pointofblue |
| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:22 - Jun 20 by Gary_Knows |
I can tell you 2 reasons …
1) ex Norwich player.
2) BuT hE W0Z OrFUL @ WulVES. Forgetting that it’s clearly a Wolves, as the manager that kept them after up O’Neill then sh@t the bed at the beginning of last season with a similar record to O’Neill the previous year and got the can.
Up Gary O’Neills tricky blues. |
O'Neil's Wolves had Semedo, Ait Nouri, Sarabia, Guedes, Strand Larsen and Cunha whilst he was floundering badly and making us look ok in comparison with our squad of Championship All Stars. Strand Larsen aside, all of those departed in the summer leaving Pereira with a threadbare and low quality squad to work with.
They then brought in Rob Edwards, who's previous managerial record included a reasonable Premier League with Luton, all things considered, then a meltdown. Why does that sound familiar? | |
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| What are people’s biggest gripe about GON on 11:55 - Jun 20 with 2206 views | norfsufblue |
As on my own post..... Waka Waka.... hows that going to work,MA really should be all over this type of thing! |  | | |
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