| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius 07:07 - Jul 1 with 2336 views | muccletonjoe |
Far from it. His motivational skills are yet to be certified and will be called into question tonight. All very well saying the low block is difficult to break down , but you have to balance that with the ability which is available to him within the squad. His job is to deploy those skills to give us the best opportunity of winning. To date , I have to say he has fallen short of that and it has been left to Bellingham and Kane on the pitch and the supporters off the pitch to guide the team through to this knock out match with Congo.
Needless to say another failure tonight runs the risk of being dumped out of the competition by a country with a fraction of our resources and player pool, and will very likely be His last game in charge. Over to you Mr Tuchel ! |  | | |  |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 07:45 - Jul 1 with 1957 views | blueislander |
That’s the spirit. Plenty of positivity. |  | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 07:55 - Jul 1 with 1935 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
He was lauded for his half time team talk and the tactical changes he made against Croatia. |  |
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 08:03 - Jul 1 with 1894 views | muccletonjoe |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 07:55 - Jul 1 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
He was lauded for his half time team talk and the tactical changes he made against Croatia. |
What tactical changes ? | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 08:38 - Jul 1 with 1770 views | Wright1 |
This is some take. | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 08:40 - Jul 1 with 1775 views | BlueBadger |
No offence Joe, but you spent much of last season crying about how Town were hopeless and wouldn't get promoted, so I might treat your insights here with as much seriousness as I would one by Roy Keane or Gary Neville. [Post edited 1 Jul 8:44]
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 08:55 - Jul 1 with 1708 views | BiGDonnie |
We're unbeaten, won 2/3 and only conceded two goals.
Cheer up. You've massively fallen for the crappy media's narrative that we're struggling. [Post edited 1 Jul 9:00]
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:00 - Jul 1 with 1682 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 08:03 - Jul 1 by muccletonjoe |
What tactical changes ? |
Changed the position of the full backs | |
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:01 - Jul 1 with 1676 views | BseaBlue |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 08:55 - Jul 1 by BiGDonnie |
We're unbeaten, won 2/3 and only conceded two goals.
Cheer up. You've massively fallen for the crappy media's narrative that we're struggling. [Post edited 1 Jul 9:00]
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They seem desperate for us to fail don't they? Even the Beeb with negative articles about Bellingham before the tournament, leaking the squad and the team news etc.
I guess England being poor gets more clicks, comments and attention than when things are going well. |  | | |
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:04 - Jul 1 with 1659 views | Bellevue_Blue |
This is a manager who made back-to-back Champions League finals winning the second time with Chelsea totally against the odds.
A run that included him beating Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Man City on the way to the title with a far inferior team.
He's not even managed a knock out game for England yet and you are calling into question his tactical/ man management ability!
His record shows he is both tactically very astute and a great man manager! Over to you Mr Tuchel! | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:24 - Jul 1 with 1576 views | muccletonjoe |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 08:40 - Jul 1 by BlueBadger |
No offence Joe, but you spent much of last season crying about how Town were hopeless and wouldn't get promoted, so I might treat your insights here with as much seriousness as I would one by Roy Keane or Gary Neville. [Post edited 1 Jul 8:44]
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No offence Badger but you spent all last season pointing out my less than complimentary comments, this does not mean I spent all season making them , just that you read them ! | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:39 - Jul 1 with 1530 views | muccletonjoe |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:04 - Jul 1 by Bellevue_Blue |
This is a manager who made back-to-back Champions League finals winning the second time with Chelsea totally against the odds.
A run that included him beating Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Man City on the way to the title with a far inferior team.
He's not even managed a knock out game for England yet and you are calling into question his tactical/ man management ability!
His record shows he is both tactically very astute and a great man manager! Over to you Mr Tuchel! |
A far inferior team which cost well over 500m quid ? He rode his luck at times too !! | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:52 - Jul 1 with 1467 views | bsw72 |
Lol - where to start with this, assuming you are not being ironic?
"Motivational skills yet to be certified" - certified by whom, exactly? The man has 11 titles: Champions League, UEFA Super Cup, and FIFA Club World Cup with Chelsea; two Ligue 1 titles, two Trophée des Champions, Coupe de France, and Coupe de la Ligue with PSG; DFB-Pokal with Dortmund; Bundesliga with Bayern. Has consistently pulled elite performances out of players at the top level across different countries to achieve these titles.
The point about the low block is particularly amusing, because to me it shows you fail to grasp what Tuchel is dealing with. England have historically been catastrophically bad at breaking down compact defences. That's not just a Tuchel creation, it's a structural inheritance. The fact that he's drilling the squad on patience and positional discipline is precisely the right method to address a problem that Southgate and those before never adequately solved. You can't just say "we have good players, use them", that's not tactics, that's "FIFA Career Mode" thinking.
Bellingham and Kane carrying England is also not new, all teams require moments of inspiration from their top players. The difference under Tuchel is that we're reaching knockouts without scraping through despite the media dressing it up otherwise. You seem to conventiently forget that while Kane got the second against Panama, he also missed a golden chance against Ghana - we would easily be going into the group stages with 3 wins, and not conceding a goal for around 4 hours since the second against Croatia. Progress isn't always photogenic.
As for the Democratic Republic of Congo while they are currently ranked 52nd in the world. Framing them as a walkover based on "resources" is exactly the kind of complacent exceptionalism that has caused England to underperform at major tournaments for decades. Tuchel will be acutely aware of the threat. [Post edited 1 Jul 10:13]
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:55 - Jul 1 with 1440 views | TheGentlemanViking |
Thomas Tuchel is a top level coach, his extensive honours list confirms this. But England is a different beast, and I do have mixed feelings about how he has approached this World Cup, but as long as we keep winning I couldn't care less about the performances.
I think he has to take responsibility for the squad selection, I think we can all agree he made a mistake there. We probably won't ever hear his exact reasons for leaving out some of the players that he did, but it did place a lot of expectation on players with recent bad injury records with very little quality alternative ie, James, Saka, Stones, who are all probably starters but have had very disrupted seasons (or historically bad injury records). Spence and Madueke are having to play way more than they should, at a level that neither of them can consistently hit.
Secondly, and this dates back to Southgate, there is so much crossover between our 3 best players. Kane, Bellingham, and Rice. They all want to occupy the same space, which means we have nobody pushing the line in attack. Bayern are so fluid in attack that when Kane drops deep somebody else pushes up, or the wingers play high and wide. Bellingham doesn't do that, he wants to come deeper too, which puts them both in the position that Rice and Anderson occupy. Against Panama you could see that Saka and Rashford where trying to stretch the pitch and push forward but the amount of times they'd break and then have nobody to play the ball to because everybody else was behind the play was shocking, it left them with no option but to go alone or hold the play up. Somebody has to take the hit and continue to push the line centrally. Kane shouldn't need to drop deep with the quality he has behind him, equally, he is probably the best at finding that pass to open things up. I'm confident though that Tuchel can make it work, aside from France and I don't see many attacking units as well stacked as ours. |  | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 10:01 - Jul 1 with 1399 views | nrb1985 |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:39 - Jul 1 by muccletonjoe |
A far inferior team which cost well over 500m quid ? He rode his luck at times too !! |
Which game did they ride their luck? Worthy winners vs city, battered RM - should have been a cricket score and hardly rode their luck vs. Atleti or Porto.
Think you’re just making things up to support your wholly unsubstantiated claims.
Also, even if they did ride their luck, which team doesn’t winning a cup?
Utter guff. | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:24 - Jul 1 with 1248 views | muccletonjoe |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 10:01 - Jul 1 by nrb1985 |
Which game did they ride their luck? Worthy winners vs city, battered RM - should have been a cricket score and hardly rode their luck vs. Atleti or Porto.
Think you’re just making things up to support your wholly unsubstantiated claims.
Also, even if they did ride their luck, which team doesn’t winning a cup?
Utter guff. |
Chelsea supporter if I ever saw one | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:27 - Jul 1 with 1240 views | muccletonjoe |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:52 - Jul 1 by bsw72 |
Lol - where to start with this, assuming you are not being ironic?
"Motivational skills yet to be certified" - certified by whom, exactly? The man has 11 titles: Champions League, UEFA Super Cup, and FIFA Club World Cup with Chelsea; two Ligue 1 titles, two Trophée des Champions, Coupe de France, and Coupe de la Ligue with PSG; DFB-Pokal with Dortmund; Bundesliga with Bayern. Has consistently pulled elite performances out of players at the top level across different countries to achieve these titles.
The point about the low block is particularly amusing, because to me it shows you fail to grasp what Tuchel is dealing with. England have historically been catastrophically bad at breaking down compact defences. That's not just a Tuchel creation, it's a structural inheritance. The fact that he's drilling the squad on patience and positional discipline is precisely the right method to address a problem that Southgate and those before never adequately solved. You can't just say "we have good players, use them", that's not tactics, that's "FIFA Career Mode" thinking.
Bellingham and Kane carrying England is also not new, all teams require moments of inspiration from their top players. The difference under Tuchel is that we're reaching knockouts without scraping through despite the media dressing it up otherwise. You seem to conventiently forget that while Kane got the second against Panama, he also missed a golden chance against Ghana - we would easily be going into the group stages with 3 wins, and not conceding a goal for around 4 hours since the second against Croatia. Progress isn't always photogenic.
As for the Democratic Republic of Congo while they are currently ranked 52nd in the world. Framing them as a walkover based on "resources" is exactly the kind of complacent exceptionalism that has caused England to underperform at major tournaments for decades. Tuchel will be acutely aware of the threat. [Post edited 1 Jul 10:13]
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How many managers have we had with a list as long as your arm of domestic and European triumphs. IT MEANS NOTHING AT INTERNATIONAL LEVEL ! | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:27 - Jul 1 with 1239 views | naa |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:04 - Jul 1 by Bellevue_Blue |
This is a manager who made back-to-back Champions League finals winning the second time with Chelsea totally against the odds.
A run that included him beating Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Man City on the way to the title with a far inferior team.
He's not even managed a knock out game for England yet and you are calling into question his tactical/ man management ability!
His record shows he is both tactically very astute and a great man manager! Over to you Mr Tuchel! |
Don't want to be a negative ninny but he is also one of the only managers not to win the league with Bayern Munich in the last 20 years.
Croatia had a lot of good signs. Ghana I can look past due to their very effective block but Panama worried me as they didn't sit back too much yet we did not look good.
Our defence does worry me a bit too, have looked open too often.
I'm hoping that when we meet an attacking team we'll do OK. | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:36 - Jul 1 with 1195 views | MattinLondon |
Qualified for the WC with an 100% record without conceding.
Qualified for the Round of 32 by winning two of the three group matches and drawing the other.
The opposition has not been great but that’s not his fault. If we lose tonight then you’ll have a point but until then he’s done a good job. |  | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:49 - Jul 1 with 1152 views | bsw72 |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:27 - Jul 1 by muccletonjoe |
How many managers have we had with a list as long as your arm of domestic and European triumphs. IT MEANS NOTHING AT INTERNATIONAL LEVEL ! |
Lol, if you say (shout) so.
Safe to say that people with far more knowledge and experience with football at domestic, continental and international level seem to think it does mean something - else we would all be coaches and managers. | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:51 - Jul 1 with 1128 views | Wright1 |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:39 - Jul 1 by muccletonjoe |
A far inferior team which cost well over 500m quid ? He rode his luck at times too !! |
How many of those players have gone on to great success? Havertz has been fine for Arsenal.
Ziyech, Mount, Werner, Chilwell, Mendy? You could even argue it was the last time Reece James was truly any good. | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 12:01 - Jul 1 with 1070 views | bsw72 |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 11:27 - Jul 1 by naa |
Don't want to be a negative ninny but he is also one of the only managers not to win the league with Bayern Munich in the last 20 years.
Croatia had a lot of good signs. Ghana I can look past due to their very effective block but Panama worried me as they didn't sit back too much yet we did not look good.
Our defence does worry me a bit too, have looked open too often.
I'm hoping that when we meet an attacking team we'll do OK. |
Although the side that did win the Bundesliga in 23-24 had to go unbeaten . . . | | | |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 12:02 - Jul 1 with 1070 views | _CliveBaker_ |
Far too much hate on our national team.
Last 4 major tournaments we've got to 2 Euro's finals (losing on pens to Italy and narrowly to Spain), a World Cup semi and a World Cup 1/4 losing narrowly to France. Being nearly men doesn't win you anything, but its very fine margins and there aren't many nations who have shown that consistency.
We're also still in the 5th one, with 2 wins and a draw, 2 clean sheets, 6 goals scored. Tuchel has a very good record, he's won loads, lets see what he can do for England.
Are we France? No, we're not right now and don't have a given right to be. Aside from them I can't see a side who has really looked much better than us this tournament though. I fancy us tonight, and that would set up a mouth watering last 16 in the Azteca. People should get behind the team rather than moaning constantly. [Post edited 1 Jul 12:05]
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 12:06 - Jul 1 with 1037 views | SE1blue |
So Tuchel is lacking tactical genius, but not wavering or having ‘balance’ in your views, even when others present you with considerable evidence to contradict your views is forum posting genius?
Over to you Joe… |  |
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 12:09 - Jul 1 with 1027 views | Vic |
Muccers - lots have picked things up in your post. I just want to question one of them - our reliance on Kane and Bellingham. Where would Norway be without Haarland, France (as brilliant as they are) without Mbappe and the Argies without Messi? I think it's an unfair stick to beat us with.
FWIW, I thought TT's comments about playing better when we play better teams was interesting. Get through tonight then will be the time to critique him. (unless of course we lose tonight, which I honestly don't think we will). |  |
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| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 12:13 - Jul 1 with 1001 views | BlueBadger |
| I dont think Thomas Tuchel is any tactical genius on 09:24 - Jul 1 by muccletonjoe |
No offence Badger but you spent all last season pointing out my less than complimentary comments, this does not mean I spent all season making them , just that you read them ! |
It's hardly news now that I enjoy taking the piss out of the bedwetters and the budgies.
(I don't think you're a budgie, btw). | |
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