| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:28 - Jul 7 with 1095 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:23 - Jul 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Both a waste of tax payers money, which is the point you were making. Although in Clacton’s case we aren’t also getting a very expensive Mayoral election. |
Makerfield looks like it will lead to a new PM and possibly some change in government direction.
Clacton does nothing |  | |  |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:38 - Jul 7 with 1040 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:28 - Jul 7 by reusersfreekicks |
Makerfield looks like it will lead to a new PM and possibly some change in government direction.
Clacton does nothing |
We had a Prime Minister, elected with a landslide majority just two years ago. We had a Member of Parliament for Makerfield, elected just two years ago with a healthy majority. We had a Mayor of a Manchester, elected just two years ago with 63.4% of the vote.
The tax payers have had to pay for a by election in Makerfield and a Mayoral election in Manchester in order to facilitate internal political divisions in the Labour Party. If this was the a Tory party you’d be all over it like a rash.
So as I said, and I see little point repeating myself, there are so many reasons to attack Farage, but wasting tax payers money on a by election is not a wise route to go down if you supported Burnham’s recent power play. [Post edited 7 Jul 23:08]
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:46 - Jul 7 with 1001 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:38 - Jul 7 by GlasgowBlue |
We had a Prime Minister, elected with a landslide majority just two years ago. We had a Member of Parliament for Makerfield, elected just two years ago with a healthy majority. We had a Mayor of a Manchester, elected just two years ago with 63.4% of the vote.
The tax payers have had to pay for a by election in Makerfield and a Mayoral election in Manchester in order to facilitate internal political divisions in the Labour Party. If this was the a Tory party you’d be all over it like a rash.
So as I said, and I see little point repeating myself, there are so many reasons to attack Farage, but wasting tax payers money on a by election is not a wise route to go down if you supported Burnham’s recent power play. [Post edited 7 Jul 23:08]
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There is a big difference resigning to then re-stand for the same post, though.
If he were resigning because he is admitting fault, fair enough. But he is simply resigning to prove that he is still popular.
I hope he gets very badly stung and there are sufficient electors to put Count Binface (or whoever does stand against him) in Westminster. |  |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:53 - Jul 7 with 984 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:46 - Jul 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
There is a big difference resigning to then re-stand for the same post, though.
If he were resigning because he is admitting fault, fair enough. But he is simply resigning to prove that he is still popular.
I hope he gets very badly stung and there are sufficient electors to put Count Binface (or whoever does stand against him) in Westminster. |
Yes it’s performative nonsense from Farage. But the “waste of tax payers money” attack from people who supported the Burnham’s recent power player is rank hypocrisy. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:55 - Jul 7 with 985 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:46 - Jul 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
There is a big difference resigning to then re-stand for the same post, though.
If he were resigning because he is admitting fault, fair enough. But he is simply resigning to prove that he is still popular.
I hope he gets very badly stung and there are sufficient electors to put Count Binface (or whoever does stand against him) in Westminster. |
Resigning to stand for the same post is clearly and inevitably, a stunt. |  |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:59 - Jul 7 with 969 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:38 - Jul 7 by GlasgowBlue |
We had a Prime Minister, elected with a landslide majority just two years ago. We had a Member of Parliament for Makerfield, elected just two years ago with a healthy majority. We had a Mayor of a Manchester, elected just two years ago with 63.4% of the vote.
The tax payers have had to pay for a by election in Makerfield and a Mayoral election in Manchester in order to facilitate internal political divisions in the Labour Party. If this was the a Tory party you’d be all over it like a rash.
So as I said, and I see little point repeating myself, there are so many reasons to attack Farage, but wasting tax payers money on a by election is not a wise route to go down if you supported Burnham’s recent power play. [Post edited 7 Jul 23:08]
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I agree there are many things to attack Farage for.
This stunt is pure vanity and ego and ,as I said before and see little point in repeating, it changes absolutely nothing from the current state of play.
For what it's worth I'm not a big fan of Burnham's stunt, but it's not the same whatever you say.
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 23:03 - Jul 7 with 948 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:53 - Jul 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes it’s performative nonsense from Farage. But the “waste of tax payers money” attack from people who supported the Burnham’s recent power player is rank hypocrisy. |
I do get your point that those who support what Burnham has done would (generally) be very critical if it were the Tories doing the same. However, it is not rank hypocrisy to criticise Farage for something that you recognise is completely different. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 23:11 - Jul 7 with 909 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 23:03 - Jul 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I do get your point that those who support what Burnham has done would (generally) be very critical if it were the Tories doing the same. However, it is not rank hypocrisy to criticise Farage for something that you recognise is completely different. |
I believe it is if you use the “waste if tax payers money” line. I have no issue calling out Farage’s stunt for what it is. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 06:55 - Jul 8 with 776 views | NthQldITFC |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:55 - Jul 7 by redrickstuhaart |
Resigning to stand for the same post is clearly and inevitably, a stunt. |
You forgot to use the spell checker on the last word. |  |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:02 - Jul 8 with 770 views | NthQldITFC |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:59 - Jul 7 by reusersfreekicks |
I agree there are many things to attack Farage for.
This stunt is pure vanity and ego and ,as I said before and see little point in repeating, it changes absolutely nothing from the current state of play.
For what it's worth I'm not a big fan of Burnham's stunt, but it's not the same whatever you say.
Not sure why you lobbed in the Tory comment. |
"Burnham's stunt" is most emphatically not a stunt. It's an entirely necessary move, supported by a huge number of members, to ameliorate the risk of a fumbling, stumbling, directionless party losing the next GE to a bunch of corrupt, incompetent racists who would utterly sink this country.
He might not be the ideal leader (certainly not mine) but you need to be pragmatic and compromise to steer the vehicle over very rough terrain, rather than having an ideological strop in the back seat as it goes over a cliff. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:16 - Jul 8 with 753 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:02 - Jul 8 by NthQldITFC |
"Burnham's stunt" is most emphatically not a stunt. It's an entirely necessary move, supported by a huge number of members, to ameliorate the risk of a fumbling, stumbling, directionless party losing the next GE to a bunch of corrupt, incompetent racists who would utterly sink this country.
He might not be the ideal leader (certainly not mine) but you need to be pragmatic and compromise to steer the vehicle over very rough terrain, rather than having an ideological strop in the back seat as it goes over a cliff. |
It’s internal Labour Party politics facilitated by cowardly MP’s who are desperate to keep their jobs instead of backing a democratically elected Prime minister who won a landslide majority and a five year mandate. It is also an ego trip for a career politicians’s personal ambition. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:55 - Jul 8 with 685 views | Benters |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:28 - Jul 7 by reusersfreekicks |
Makerfield looks like it will lead to a new PM and possibly some change in government direction.
Clacton does nothing |
Burnham will be worse than Starmer. |  |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 08:14 - Jul 8 with 675 views | DJR |
Interesting to see the main headline on a paper (the Telegraph) that has been very supportive of Farage.
"Farage's gamble turns to farce."
There is also a damning article in the Mail from Dan Hodges, and a bit of a backlash in the comments BTL on the main news item about Farage.
https://www.dailymail.com/colu
EDIT: interesting comment from the Guardian.
"The Telegraph, a paper that is normally supportive towards Farage (although that seems to be changing a bit – perhaps because new owners have taken control?), sums up the situation well with its splash headline."
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 08:24 - Jul 8 with 655 views | BlueBoots |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 06:55 - Jul 8 by NthQldITFC |
You forgot to use the spell checker on the last word. |
Had to watch the full interview to make sure they hadn't misheard him
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 09:34 - Jul 8 with 594 views | grow_our_own |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 18:28 - Jul 7 by Swansea_Blue |
It still doesn’t change anything. If he wins he’s still an MP. Racists will still like him. He’ll still play the victim and whinge about the media and freedom of speach and the woke, blah, blah, blah. He’ll still claim popular support. He’ll still be dodgy as fook. He won’t escape the scrutiny of the parliamentary system and will still have the existing complaints hanging over his head (and likely new ones that arise in the meantime as more of his dodgy dealings are uncovered).
He’s desperately hoping people are stupid enough to stop looking at his corruption and get distracted by-election battle instead. I’m not convinced that’ll work now the allegations are in the mainstream and formal complaints by MPs are being submitted. We’ll see, but it feels like the Met is starting to close in on him. |
"hoping people are stupid enough to stop looking at his corruption and get distracted by-election battle instead. I’m not convinced that’ll work" - going by early vox pops from Clacton on Channel 4 last night, there are plenty there who think (without evidence) that all MPs are just as corrupt. They want fresh leadership instead of the "same old parties".
"allegations are in the mainstream" has zero cut-through with these people. They believe what their Facebook algo and friends tell them. Even after the facts are established, Farage is removed from office, and there's a second by-election, it won't make a difference IMO. It's like Trump said, he could murder someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and it wouldn't affect his popularity. Farage is this Homelander meme:
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 09:48 - Jul 8 with 574 views | eireblue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:55 - Jul 8 by Benters |
Burnham will be worse than Starmer. |
You know when people say players will be rubbish, before they even play for Ipswich,…yep…. |  | | |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 09:49 - Jul 8 with 574 views | jayessess |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:16 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s internal Labour Party politics facilitated by cowardly MP’s who are desperate to keep their jobs instead of backing a democratically elected Prime minister who won a landslide majority and a five year mandate. It is also an ego trip for a career politicians’s personal ambition. |
Of course Simons should have gone as an MP anyway for the whole Labour Together illicit campaign slush fund thing or for the getting private investigators to smear journalists as Kremlin stooges thing.
Oh, what's that? He's being tapped as Burnham's political advisor? Great. Fantastic. |  |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 09:53 - Jul 8 with 555 views | NewcyBlue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:55 - Jul 8 by Benters |
Burnham will be worse than Starmer. |
https://fullfact.org/governmen
92 or labours pledges checked and verified in a tracker to see how they're doing. Worth a read. |  |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 10:37 - Jul 8 with 510 views | NthQldITFC |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 07:16 - Jul 8 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s internal Labour Party politics facilitated by cowardly MP’s who are desperate to keep their jobs instead of backing a democratically elected Prime minister who won a landslide majority and a five year mandate. It is also an ego trip for a career politicians’s personal ambition. |
But I think then you're prioritising the criticism of people's egos (which I agree with - the criticism, not the prioritisation) over the more important need to stop the corrupt, incompetent, racist far right.
I do have a slight concern that it is (without another GE) bending democracy a little (only a little) but it's almost a pre-war, pull the country together and knuckle down to it kind of move. I realise I'm being optimistic about Burnham's direction of travel, but inaction is worse, I think. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:00 - Jul 8 with 458 views | Benters |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 09:48 - Jul 8 by eireblue |
You know when people say players will be rubbish, before they even play for Ipswich,…yep…. |
Good point. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:08 - Jul 8 with 455 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 22:38 - Jul 7 by GlasgowBlue |
We had a Prime Minister, elected with a landslide majority just two years ago. We had a Member of Parliament for Makerfield, elected just two years ago with a healthy majority. We had a Mayor of a Manchester, elected just two years ago with 63.4% of the vote.
The tax payers have had to pay for a by election in Makerfield and a Mayoral election in Manchester in order to facilitate internal political divisions in the Labour Party. If this was the a Tory party you’d be all over it like a rash.
So as I said, and I see little point repeating myself, there are so many reasons to attack Farage, but wasting tax payers money on a by election is not a wise route to go down if you supported Burnham’s recent power play. [Post edited 7 Jul 23:08]
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Funny to see Starmer’s biggest cheerleader (previously Corbyn’s biggest cheerleader) downvoting a post that is fully supportive of Starmer being the democratically elected PM. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:11 - Jul 8 with 453 views | WeWereZombies |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 10:37 - Jul 8 by NthQldITFC |
But I think then you're prioritising the criticism of people's egos (which I agree with - the criticism, not the prioritisation) over the more important need to stop the corrupt, incompetent, racist far right.
I do have a slight concern that it is (without another GE) bending democracy a little (only a little) but it's almost a pre-war, pull the country together and knuckle down to it kind of move. I realise I'm being optimistic about Burnham's direction of travel, but inaction is worse, I think. |
Furthermore, the next election is only a couple of years away and will be able to vote on what Burnham has achieved (and what he has got wrong) by then, which will be a much more meaningful decision than hopping around from foot to foot in thrall to opinion pollsters and pundits. |  |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:37 - Jul 8 with 402 views | DJR |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 08:14 - Jul 8 by DJR |
Interesting to see the main headline on a paper (the Telegraph) that has been very supportive of Farage.
"Farage's gamble turns to farce."
There is also a damning article in the Mail from Dan Hodges, and a bit of a backlash in the comments BTL on the main news item about Farage.
https://www.dailymail.com/colu
EDIT: interesting comment from the Guardian.
"The Telegraph, a paper that is normally supportive towards Farage (although that seems to be changing a bit – perhaps because new owners have taken control?), sums up the situation well with its splash headline."
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The Mail now ridiculing Farage.
https://www.dailymail.com/news
"Could Farage lose his seat to Count Binface? By-election descends into farce as everyone except comedy candidate pulls out"
He's done this in a fit of pique but not thought through the consequences.
His political demise may well now come much sooner than I had thought, and not at his own choosing. Indeed, I wonder if he will even stand in the by-election, maybe putting forward Zia Yusuf instead. | | | |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:41 - Jul 8 with 391 views | jayessess |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:37 - Jul 8 by DJR |
The Mail now ridiculing Farage.
https://www.dailymail.com/news
"Could Farage lose his seat to Count Binface? By-election descends into farce as everyone except comedy candidate pulls out"
He's done this in a fit of pique but not thought through the consequences.
His political demise may well now come much sooner than I had thought, and not at his own choosing. Indeed, I wonder if he will even stand in the by-election, maybe putting forward Zia Yusuf instead. |
Since the far right seems to march on inexorably everywhere all the time there's a lot of assumptions about their strategic genius for populist politics. But most of the time they just make it up as they go along and get a fair wind from the media and social media corps. When that's withdrawn they can look quite silly quite quickly. | |
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| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:56 - Jul 8 with 360 views | itfcjoe |
| Farage says he will ‘make statement on my future in public life at 2pm’ on 11:41 - Jul 8 by jayessess |
Since the far right seems to march on inexorably everywhere all the time there's a lot of assumptions about their strategic genius for populist politics. But most of the time they just make it up as they go along and get a fair wind from the media and social media corps. When that's withdrawn they can look quite silly quite quickly. |
The Overton window has moved far enough now, the press can go back to just supporting the Conservatives |  |
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