| New Agent for Philogene 06:58 - Jul 8 with 10296 views | FrimleyBlue |
What we thinking, £40 mill?
if we thought the old agent was fun, this lot are a different level, the father was known for getting the maximum for his clients. Rumours of clubs abroad being interested. I think we would be very lucky to see him start for us in August [Post edited 8 Jul 7:04]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:49 - Jul 8 with 899 views | BiGDonnie |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:10 - Jul 8 by chicoazul |
Some insane opinions ITT |
It's TWTD what do you expect?
Home of the sh&te opinion. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:54 - Jul 8 with 864 views | Guthrum |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:47 - Jul 8 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's a fabulous player but I'm not sure he frightens Premier League defenders ...
He's got a few tricks but they all do at the top level.
He's a very similar player to Clarke and Mehmeti who have always traditionally played off the left. Flair but not a lot of pace and power.
IF he does go, I think we could do with recruiting someone who is a bit more of a counter attacking threat. Someone who is a threat to stretch the pitch and run past PL defenders. |
It's not so much the 'few tricks', as that letting him anywhere even near the edge of the box could result in a goal. He has to be watched like a hawk, preferably doubled up on. Half a yard's freedom may allow him a shot. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:54 - Jul 8 with 863 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
If the model is to buy and sell on for a profit, then the time to sell Philogene would be now.
GON might have someone he wants in that position who suits what he wants to implement. I have always felt we are a squad lacking in pace and if we want to play on the counter attack, then we need to add pace to the forward line. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:58 - Jul 8 with 825 views | Guthrum |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:54 - Jul 8 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
If the model is to buy and sell on for a profit, then the time to sell Philogene would be now.
GON might have someone he wants in that position who suits what he wants to implement. I have always felt we are a squad lacking in pace and if we want to play on the counter attack, then we need to add pace to the forward line. |
The model is to stay in the Prem. That's far more lucratve than any player sale. | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 09:59 - Jul 8 with 813 views | jayessess |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:49 - Jul 8 by monty_radio |
Several on here, whose football opinions I value, seem to talk of an ability which is, for me, real, but too rarely seen. I personally don't agree that he's a better footballer than Clarke over the course of a completed game, unless worldies are unleashed. His tricks, when in full flow are breathtaking, but his value to the team taken across longer periods seem less than Clarke, who is not short of a trick or two himself. |
I sort of agree that he actually beats his man on the dribble less than you expect him to. Stats bear that out too (Clarke completes more take-ons per 90, completes a higher percentage of his attempts).
I think that does underestimate some other stuff. He looks slight but he's difficult to knock off the ball and rarely dispossessed (Clarke loses the ball more often). He's excellent out of possession, wins the ball back for us a lot, often high up the pitch. Finally, he's a clinical finisher. "Apart from the worldies..." No skill more difficult in football than putting the thing in the back of the net when you get the chance on a regular basis. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:00 - Jul 8 with 812 views | itfcjoe |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:49 - Jul 8 by monty_radio |
Several on here, whose football opinions I value, seem to talk of an ability which is, for me, real, but too rarely seen. I personally don't agree that he's a better footballer than Clarke over the course of a completed game, unless worldies are unleashed. His tricks, when in full flow are breathtaking, but his value to the team taken across longer periods seem less than Clarke, who is not short of a trick or two himself. |
That would include Kieran McKenna as well who nearly always started Jaden over Clarke |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:02 - Jul 8 with 784 views | Guthrum |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:50 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
But, as we saw with him in the PL last time, his party trick of cutting inside and shooting doesn't cut it at the top level. Full backs are cleverer, faster and stronger.
I think Jaden is well-suited to La Liga or Serie A where the pace of the game is that much slower.
I think we all feared the worst when Jaden was out for 2.5 months, but Jack Clarke stepped up and at one point it was a case of Jaden, who?
He's by no means indispensible. [Post edited 8 Jul 8:53]
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It's not a case of either/or between him and Clarke. Having two players like that, of similar level, for the Inside Left position is our needs tied up without taking a chance on transfers. | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:05 - Jul 8 with 749 views | Dennyx4 |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:54 - Jul 8 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
If the model is to buy and sell on for a profit, then the time to sell Philogene would be now.
GON might have someone he wants in that position who suits what he wants to implement. I have always felt we are a squad lacking in pace and if we want to play on the counter attack, then we need to add pace to the forward line. |
I do agree that we need to add pace to the team, but pace with quality is not cheap.
Do we need to sell to be able to recruit what we need, don’t know?
We certainly need 8 to 10 players to come in, ideally with the majority of those before the Sunderland game. |  | | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:05 - Jul 8 with 751 views | tractorboy1978 |
Ultimately someone has to offer us the right fee but if he's moved over to Raiola I would suggest he is quite aggressively pushing for a move and we might decide it's for the best if he goes. As always it is about how you use the money you get and how you replace him. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:06 - Jul 8 with 745 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:58 - Jul 8 by Guthrum |
The model is to stay in the Prem. That's far more lucratve than any player sale. |
Player trading will happen to help balance the books though. I imagine we will be spending circa £150m.
Philogene will command a good fee. We will need pace and power to cause more problems in the PL. If Philogene was the make way for someone who can provide that, then it's a deal worth exploring for me. | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:07 - Jul 8 with 737 views | portmanking |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:02 - Jul 8 by Guthrum |
It's not a case of either/or between him and Clarke. Having two players like that, of similar level, for the Inside Left position is our needs tied up without taking a chance on transfers. |
But we have no idea if we even have an inside left position required this season.
If O'Neil plays 3-4-2-1, we'll need players more comfortable operating centrally, from in to out.
If he plays 3-5-2, he's a goner too.
A lot rests on whether GON will stick with 4-2-3-1 or not.
I did hear last week (pre all of this agent stuff) that West Ham were in his ear and toying with a player + cash offer. Imagine Wan Bissaka + £10-£15m would do very nicely for us. [Post edited 8 Jul 10:07]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:07 - Jul 8 with 737 views | sibrespace |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:10 - Jul 8 by chicoazul |
Some insane opinions ITT |
Absolutely agree that some of these opinions are unreal. Can only assume they didn’t actually see him play in the flesh last season. He was more or less single handed our match winner during the first half of the season at PR with some outstanding goals when the team wasn’t really functioning.
He’s a very confident finisher- the best finisher at the club, both one on one and outside the area. He’s very quick over the first 2 yards from a standing start. And he formed a great partnership with Leif. And he tracks back and will get a tackle in. Our points per game harvest dropped off when he got injured in Jan or Feb and I don’t think he was fully fit when he returned but he still popped up with goals.
As someone said, he was played out of position on the right wing in the PL due to Wes and Ogbene being injured and the team was low in confidence at that point.
We would not have got promotion if not for him. He is our most gifted player and definitely PL level. The only question mark is his physical durability as he gets fouled mercilessly at times. But always keeps going.
If he goes, I hope we get £40M for him, as he will take some replacing. I like Jack C but he’s not on the same level. [Post edited 8 Jul 10:08]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:09 - Jul 8 with 716 views | Kievthegreat |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:58 - Jul 8 by Guthrum |
The model is to stay in the Prem. That's far more lucratve than any player sale. |
It needs to be both to be sustainable. We need to get used to selling at least one top player every year to finance more players than TV Money alone. |  | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:12 - Jul 8 with 682 views | Guthrum |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:06 - Jul 8 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Player trading will happen to help balance the books though. I imagine we will be spending circa £150m.
Philogene will command a good fee. We will need pace and power to cause more problems in the PL. If Philogene was the make way for someone who can provide that, then it's a deal worth exploring for me. |
Yes, if it's a positive move, trading shooting ability for pace if that's what O'Neil wants, then OK. But we'd need to find goals from somewhere else.
As I said elsewhere, it's taking a risk on a new signing, rather than utilising the talent we already have. | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:14 - Jul 8 with 656 views | tractorboy1978 |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:07 - Jul 8 by sibrespace |
Absolutely agree that some of these opinions are unreal. Can only assume they didn’t actually see him play in the flesh last season. He was more or less single handed our match winner during the first half of the season at PR with some outstanding goals when the team wasn’t really functioning.
He’s a very confident finisher- the best finisher at the club, both one on one and outside the area. He’s very quick over the first 2 yards from a standing start. And he formed a great partnership with Leif. And he tracks back and will get a tackle in. Our points per game harvest dropped off when he got injured in Jan or Feb and I don’t think he was fully fit when he returned but he still popped up with goals.
As someone said, he was played out of position on the right wing in the PL due to Wes and Ogbene being injured and the team was low in confidence at that point.
We would not have got promotion if not for him. He is our most gifted player and definitely PL level. The only question mark is his physical durability as he gets fouled mercilessly at times. But always keeps going.
If he goes, I hope we get £40M for him, as he will take some replacing. I like Jack C but he’s not on the same level. [Post edited 8 Jul 10:08]
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When he shone, he really shone but he had plenty of duff games as well. He didn't take the league by storm in the same way as say Summerville or even the last 2-3 months of 23/24 season Omari.
I like Philogene but he's one I don't think we would have troubles replacing as a PL club. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:16 - Jul 8 with 639 views | Guthrum |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:07 - Jul 8 by portmanking |
But we have no idea if we even have an inside left position required this season.
If O'Neil plays 3-4-2-1, we'll need players more comfortable operating centrally, from in to out.
If he plays 3-5-2, he's a goner too.
A lot rests on whether GON will stick with 4-2-3-1 or not.
I did hear last week (pre all of this agent stuff) that West Ham were in his ear and toying with a player + cash offer. Imagine Wan Bissaka + £10-£15m would do very nicely for us. [Post edited 8 Jul 10:07]
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That would be a good deal, but it'd show surprising lack of self-confidence for Philogene to step back into the Champ when he has a Prem berth available. | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:16 - Jul 8 with 638 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:00 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe |
That would include Kieran McKenna as well who nearly always started Jaden over Clarke |
I'm not sure that is quite fair on Clarke. That was not necessarily a purely ability-based decision.
Philogene was more effective starting, Clarke was more effective finishing.
Jaden came off the bench 11 times and had one assist in those cameos. Clarke came off the bench 23 times and scored 8 goals and we all know the impact he had in some of those games. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:17 - Jul 8 with 636 views | FrimleyBlue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 08:48 - Jul 8 by Parky |
Baffled at how many people would be willing to just let him go. He’s the biggest asset we currently have at the club, on the back of a great season.
English, still only 24 and on the back of a season with 12 goals off the wing - I wouldn’t take anything less than £40m and double our money.
I see people say we can replace him with a Premier League quality winger - like who?
Of course if he’s desparate to go, then there’s not much that can be done, but I’m not a fan of losing our best player before we’ve even kicked a ball in the Prem. |
I think most would keep him for individual talent, but we don't know if he'll suit an O'neil lineup, plus the fact It's difficult to believe he really wants to be here. That's not to say every player has to, end of the day it's a job, but i do feel with Jayden we really are as Gav says, just a stepping stone and there's not really any relationship there at all. With the history of his agents being similar to Omari in that they have their own greed of interest over the players career, this is something i think needs to happen | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:20 - Jul 8 with 605 views | Guthrum |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:09 - Jul 8 by Kievthegreat |
It needs to be both to be sustainable. We need to get used to selling at least one top player every year to finance more players than TV Money alone. |
Fine once we have our feet under the table. But we can't risk our survival for this coming season. | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:24 - Jul 8 with 574 views | Guthrum |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:14 - Jul 8 by tractorboy1978 |
When he shone, he really shone but he had plenty of duff games as well. He didn't take the league by storm in the same way as say Summerville or even the last 2-3 months of 23/24 season Omari.
I like Philogene but he's one I don't think we would have troubles replacing as a PL club. |
The duff games were usually when he was being double- or triple-marked (something Clarke suffered from also). That ought to have left space to exploit, but our centre and right attacking options took a long time to get going - or were frequently ignored. | |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:25 - Jul 8 with 571 views | DanTheMan |
| New Agent for Philogene on 09:44 - Jul 8 by jayessess |
Yeah, particularly if we're talking about a move overseas. The category of club that would look at him in LaLiga, Bundesliga and Serie A aren't paying £30m+ fees very often. |
Turkey might though... They're doing silly money at the moment. |  |
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:35 - Jul 8 with 496 views | sibrespace |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:14 - Jul 8 by tractorboy1978 |
When he shone, he really shone but he had plenty of duff games as well. He didn't take the league by storm in the same way as say Summerville or even the last 2-3 months of 23/24 season Omari.
I like Philogene but he's one I don't think we would have troubles replacing as a PL club. |
So, basically you are comparing him to two £50M rated players in the PL as his peer group. Seems about right - they all have similar ability. I dont agree that he had “plenty of duff games”. There were some when he was double marked out of the game but that opened up space for others. He’s most definitely was one of the most feared players in the league last season before his injury.
He is PL level on his finishing ability alone. Assuming we won’t get many chances next season we will need a player who can put them away. Apart from him and JC, we don’t have that ability in our current squad. And it will cost us a lot to replace him. | | | |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:38 - Jul 8 with 482 views | grow_our_own |
Attack is our biggest problem. We scored/created fewer last year than the 2023/4 team. Left-10 was our biggest source of goals. Zero chance we'd have been promoted last season without Jaden.
Promoted teams are usually riding a wave of optimism and keep their best players. Damning indictment on GON's magnetism if there's an exodus of them here following KM. [Post edited 8 Jul 10:38]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:41 - Jul 8 with 467 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| New Agent for Philogene on 10:35 - Jul 8 by sibrespace |
So, basically you are comparing him to two £50M rated players in the PL as his peer group. Seems about right - they all have similar ability. I dont agree that he had “plenty of duff games”. There were some when he was double marked out of the game but that opened up space for others. He’s most definitely was one of the most feared players in the league last season before his injury.
He is PL level on his finishing ability alone. Assuming we won’t get many chances next season we will need a player who can put them away. Apart from him and JC, we don’t have that ability in our current squad. And it will cost us a lot to replace him. |
He's great at finishing but most of his goals are not the kind of transition goals we will need to be scoring this season. They are sustained attacking pressure, find a bit of space and bend it into the corner goals.
We butchered counter after counter this season and that is something we simply have to fix this season. [Post edited 8 Jul 10:46]
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| New Agent for Philogene on 10:43 - Jul 8 with 450 views | football |
Maybe he just doesnt like his current agent? | | | |
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