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Christopher Nolan’s remake of The Odyssey has been getting ripped to bits on social media
Mainly because of the Armour and ships in the film.
The ships are Viking not Ancient Greek. And the amour looks like it’s Robin Hood knock off.
They have 100s of Greek amour in museums and a Greek war ship intact. Also once again a lot of the clips are dark, has he ever been to the Greek islands? They are absolutely stunning, colours everywhere.
Are they just getting lazy or do you think they honestly don’t care anymore
Disclaimer……. Please do not bring up the casting of the actors, that’s a different subject and not for this thread.
Hollywood historical films have always valued entertainment and style over authenticity. I’m not sure it’s down to laziness as having warriors dressed in full on shiny armour looks better on film than what they probably wore.
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Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:15 - Jul 13 with 2065 views
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:12 - Jul 13 by MattinLondon
Hollywood historical films have always valued entertainment and style over authenticity. I’m not sure it’s down to laziness as having warriors dressed in full on shiny armour looks better on film than what they probably wore.
Google Greek amour, it looks spectacular. It would have looked amazing on screen.
Plate amour wasn’t around for another 1000 years, I’d call that lazy.
They are saying it’s going to be the first Nolan film to absolutely bomb
The issue with almost all historically-set films is that audiences expect certain things, many of which go against authenticity. Or there are practical issues (heroically naked warriors running around is not going to do the film's rating much good).
The usual tropes - peasants were dirty and ill dressed, swords worn across the back so characters can run around, battle tactics more like a football hooligan punch-up than structured warfare, huge fires. Armour is superhero comic-style, not historical. It's what the people want. The dark is to make it seem ancient and mysterious (plus saving on background detail for CGI).
Cinema is still recovering from one of the greatest attempts to make an accurate and realistic historical film. Heaven's Gate ended up with the studio going bust - and almost nobody liked it.
It's a movie not a documentary - it isn't going to make it more or less entertaining - the Odyssey is a story that has been told and retold and reintepreted hundreds of times already.
That some nobs on social media who don't want to watch the film will sit there and pick it apart isn't going to affect anything - it's going to be a massive box office success and no doubt be a brilliant watch
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:17 - Jul 13 by Guthrum
The issue with almost all historically-set films is that audiences expect certain things, many of which go against authenticity. Or there are practical issues (heroically naked warriors running around is not going to do the film's rating much good).
The usual tropes - peasants were dirty and ill dressed, swords worn across the back so characters can run around, battle tactics more like a football hooligan punch-up than structured warfare, huge fires. Armour is superhero comic-style, not historical. It's what the people want. The dark is to make it seem ancient and mysterious (plus saving on background detail for CGI).
Cinema is still recovering from one of the greatest attempts to make an accurate and realistic historical film. Heaven's Gate ended up with the studio going bust - and almost nobody liked it.
I understand they can’t have people running around naked
But you’d think they’d try and get some of the clothes/Amour close to the time
I’m still going to watch it though and make my own mind up
apparently the film is very good from initial reports but this always tends to be people who have early access and get giddy that they have seen it before other people.
TBF, Nolan very rarely fails with his films. You might not like some of them but they are generally good films, i didn't love Dunkirk, but could see it was a good film.
To my shame i haven't seen Tenet, Oppenheimer yet, kids, work etc getting in the way of me watching films these days.
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Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:30 - Jul 13 with 1945 views
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:27 - Jul 13 by davblue
apparently the film is very good from initial reports but this always tends to be people who have early access and get giddy that they have seen it before other people.
TBF, Nolan very rarely fails with his films. You might not like some of them but they are generally good films, i didn't love Dunkirk, but could see it was a good film.
To my shame i haven't seen Tenet, Oppenheimer yet, kids, work etc getting in the way of me watching films these days.
Afraid I thought Dunkirk was pretty awful in parts. The beach scenes were too empty of people - destroys the impression of a vast number of people hemmed into a very tight space (unlike the sequences on the harbour mole) - and the physics-defying Spitfire was just annoying.
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:27 - Jul 13 by davblue
apparently the film is very good from initial reports but this always tends to be people who have early access and get giddy that they have seen it before other people.
TBF, Nolan very rarely fails with his films. You might not like some of them but they are generally good films, i didn't love Dunkirk, but could see it was a good film.
To my shame i haven't seen Tenet, Oppenheimer yet, kids, work etc getting in the way of me watching films these days.
Tenet was absolutely bloody awful, I wouldn't bother. Oppenheimer well worth a watch though.
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Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:41 - Jul 13 with 1852 views
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:26 - Jul 13 by BelsteadCav
I understand they can’t have people running around naked
But you’d think they’d try and get some of the clothes/Amour close to the time
I’m still going to watch it though and make my own mind up
I agree that Classical Greek armour would be visually spectacular - but also wrong, with the events which inspired the Iliad taking place three to five hundred years prior to that period and before hoplite tactics and equipment had evolved.
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:36 - Jul 13 by Guthrum
Afraid I thought Dunkirk was pretty awful in parts. The beach scenes were too empty of people - destroys the impression of a vast number of people hemmed into a very tight space (unlike the sequences on the harbour mole) - and the physics-defying Spitfire was just annoying.
what got me were the immaculate identical helmets they all had, not so much as a scuff in sight.
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Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:53 - Jul 13 with 1750 views
If you enjoy a bit of chat about historical authenticity in war movies, former colleague of mine, an ancient historian, does fun stuff on youtube about battle tactics in movies and whether they bear any relation to reality:
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:41 - Jul 13 by Guthrum
I agree that Classical Greek armour would be visually spectacular - but also wrong, with the events which inspired the Iliad taking place three to five hundred years prior to that period and before hoplite tactics and equipment had evolved.
Indeed. Google Mycenaean armour for getting a better idea of what would be accurate for the time period. It's VERY different to our ideas of a classical greek hoplites.
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Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:55 - Jul 13 with 1724 views
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:53 - Jul 13 by jayessess
If you enjoy a bit of chat about historical authenticity in war movies, former colleague of mine, an ancient historian, does fun stuff on youtube about battle tactics in movies and whether they bear any relation to reality:
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 11:34 - Jul 13 by BelsteadCav
That’s the talk, his first failure
We will have to see how it goes
He directed TDKR so this wouldn’t be his first critical failure as that movie is truly awful. He got historical details wrong or occluded them in Oppenheimer and Dunkirk.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
What does anything you've raised have to do with the quality of the film? Nolan himself said he didn't care to be 100% historically accurate, he cares far more about making an engaging film. It's not a documentary.
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Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 12:17 - Jul 13 with 1546 views
Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 12:12 - Jul 13 by bartyg
What does anything you've raised have to do with the quality of the film? Nolan himself said he didn't care to be 100% historically accurate, he cares far more about making an engaging film. It's not a documentary.
It's a film based around a story [spoilers ahead for a 3,00 or so year old story follow] about a bloke spending ten years at sea meeting witches, monsters and seeing his crew turned into pigs. This thing with the ships totally ruins the realism.
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Have modern Hollywood forgotten how to make good films? on 12:19 - Jul 13 by BlueBadger
It's a film based around a story [spoilers ahead for a 3,00 or so year old story follow] about a bloke spending ten years at sea meeting witches, monsters and seeing his crew turned into pigs. This thing with the ships totally ruins the realism.
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