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So excuse my ignorance 22:40 - Jul 15 with 1541 views

Tuchel says we went back 5 because we conceded too many crosses

Doesn't that happen as you've removed wide players for that extra defender?

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:45 - Jul 15 with 1463 views

Dubtractor

From what I saw tonight, 100% we started allowing far more crosses after moving to a back 5.

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:47 - Jul 15 with 1445 views

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:45 - Jul 15 by Dubtractor
From what I saw tonight, 100% we started allowing far more crosses after moving to a back 5.

That's what I thought, i can;t see how becoming a back 5 makes you concede less crosses, it just fills the box with to many defenders and you end up leaving spaces, kinda like zonal marking as you're not man marking your just plugging gaps, compared to two cbs marking two forwards

In my head im just thinking ok they are crossing from the right side, best option, bring on another right sided winger who can assist the left back to stop the crosses. Take kane off for watkins, mainoo for rice and ask mainoo to control outside the box and the messi roam,

i dunno, so so baffled

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:49 - Jul 15 with 1398 views

Cheltenham_Blue

Is that also why Kane started playing on the edge of our box then?

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:49 - Jul 15 with 1388 views

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Not if your wing backs aren't panicking and getting sucked into the middle.

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:49 - Jul 15 with 1387 views

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The hilarious thing was the winner came from a free header.

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:50 - Jul 15 with 1310 views

darkhorse28

Simply fell into the trap of assuming what worked before always works.

The Argies have huge quality (when they actually want to play) and there was a third of a game to go. It was pretty lazy decision making tbh.

We removed any threat on the counter. We might have lost.., but i’d have backed us with Watkins/Rogers/Saka/Rashford to score on the break.

James was gassed 15 mins before he came off, he couldn’t move, rice too.

A great ride tbf. We’ve had a blast, but it was there to be won .., Romero and Martinez, both on yellows and we removed all our pace and threat.

Tuchel got 90% right, but that was SO what Southgate got hammered for, not taking risks when there’s a chance to kill a game.

We would have scored again on the break .., they’d gone all out attack .., but he couldn’t ever take Kane off and that with a million defenders had zero counter potential.

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So excuse my ignorance on 22:51 - Jul 15 with 1326 views

Bellevue_Blue

So excuse my ignorance on 22:49 - Jul 15 by pointofblue
The hilarious thing was the winner came from a free header.

Exactly. Thats just managerial guff.

He took a team that already had a negative mindset and made them more negative.

So excuse my ignorance on 22:59 - Jul 15 with 1244 views

Blue_Uprising

Frustrating that despite the hydration breaks being absolute shite we actually had one at the ideal time. Only one message was needed at that break and it was to get them to show leadership and push the defensive line higher up the pitch. If we got undone by some skill then fine. But I was so surprised nothing changed after that and I could not see much evidence of players telling each other to push up.

Oh well. Found our ceiling again.

So excuse my ignorance on 23:03 - Jul 15 with 1206 views

have_a_word_with_him

I wish we'd never gone in front, from that point on it was one-way traffic and we looked inept. The substitutions made it worse. Well done Tuchel.

So excuse my ignorance on 23:28 - Jul 15 with 1097 views

MVBlue

So excuse my ignorance on 22:47 - Jul 15 by FrimleyBlue

[Post edited 15 Jul 22:50]

Am I wrong but towards the end did we not have 6 defenders on? Folks are saying 5.

D. Spence
M. Guéhi
J. Stones (until 96)
D.Burn (82)
N. O'Reily (82)
A. Konsa (72)

There was at least 10 minutes of 6 defenders!!!!

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So excuse my ignorance on 23:31 - Jul 15 with 1080 views

FrimleyBlue

So excuse my ignorance on 23:28 - Jul 15 by MVBlue
Am I wrong but towards the end did we not have 6 defenders on? Folks are saying 5. D. Spence M. Guéhi J. Stones (until 96) D.Burn (82) N. O'Reily (82) A. Konsa (72) There was at least 10 minutes of 6 defenders!!!! [Post edited 15 Jul 23:28]

Technically yes. We were 5 4 1 witb one of the 4 being a defender

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So excuse my ignorance on 23:38 - Jul 15 with 1050 views

Garv

So excuse my ignorance on 22:47 - Jul 15 by FrimleyBlue

[Post edited 15 Jul 22:50]

We seemed to concentrate too much on defending the cross after it came into the box rather than stopping it at source.

It might have made sense if they were dominating us aerially but I'm not sure they were, they were just putting the ball in with brilliant quality. Stop the crosses (and obviously give us some kind of out ball somehow).

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So excuse my ignorance on 07:47 - Jul 16 with 824 views

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So excuse my ignorance on 23:28 - Jul 15 by MVBlue
Am I wrong but towards the end did we not have 6 defenders on? Folks are saying 5. D. Spence M. Guéhi J. Stones (until 96) D.Burn (82) N. O'Reily (82) A. Konsa (72) There was at least 10 minutes of 6 defenders!!!! [Post edited 15 Jul 23:28]

Even before then Anderson was dropping in to make a back 6 at times. It was flipping between a back 5 and back 6 almost constantly. I don’t think abandoning the midfield was the greatest idea lol

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So excuse my ignorance on 08:15 - Jul 16 with 745 views

DanTheMan

So excuse my ignorance on 07:47 - Jul 16 by Swansea_Blue
Even before then Anderson was dropping in to make a back 6 at times. It was flipping between a back 5 and back 6 almost constantly. I don’t think abandoning the midfield was the greatest idea lol

This is what I didn't get, the area they are probably strongest and we just let them have the midfield and seemed content to try and soak up pressure for 30 odd minutes.

There were so many warning signs.

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So excuse my ignorance on 08:20 - Jul 16 with 724 views

oldbeardy

Most damning stat from bbc is we had 12% possession from after scoring our goal til their second. 12%!

So excuse my ignorance on 08:20 - Jul 16 with 723 views

TractorJack

How about the idea that you can't concede crosses if you've got the ball? No attempt to turn the game round in terms of getting on the ball and being sensible with it.

So excuse my ignorance on 09:17 - Jul 16 with 591 views

TheGentlemanViking

Yep.

And if Tuchel and his team had done their research, they would have seen that in Argentina's last game, when they went 2-0 down, Messi moved out to the right and started peppering the box with crosses and working the ball wide rather than centrally. They were relentless and it got them 3 late goals.

What did Messi do when we went 5 at the back...moved across and exploited the space. The best player ever, and we give him exactly what he wants. 2 Messi assists later and we're out of the World Cup.

So excuse my ignorance on 09:19 - Jul 16 with 584 views

BseaBlue

So excuse my ignorance on 23:38 - Jul 15 by Garv
We seemed to concentrate too much on defending the cross after it came into the box rather than stopping it at source. It might have made sense if they were dominating us aerially but I'm not sure they were, they were just putting the ball in with brilliant quality. Stop the crosses (and obviously give us some kind of out ball somehow).

Exactly this. We were doing a decent enough job of keeping Messi out of the game up until we scored. The shape change just gave him and others space around the edge of our box. It was purely inviting trouble.

So excuse my ignorance on 11:10 - Jul 16 with 454 views

RadioOrwell

So excuse my ignorance on 09:19 - Jul 16 by BseaBlue
Exactly this. We were doing a decent enough job of keeping Messi out of the game up until we scored. The shape change just gave him and others space around the edge of our box. It was purely inviting trouble.

Gordon and Spence were doubling up on Messi and Gordon offered an out ball.
Messi was nearly redundant while that was happening.

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