| The two PC's killed 17:48 - Aug 24 with 3116 views | OldFart71 |
Absolutely tragic I think you will agree.
But my feelings are that too much is allowed to go unpunished before many events in this country happen.
Where in this instance they have committed these crimes before and little has been done.
Where poor little kiddies are beaten and abused but nothing is done until it is too late and the apologies come to late from the authorities which always comes out with the same rhetoric of "We will learn lessons and improve" and it never does.
Laws are insufficient and make so many things difficult to enforce. Privacy laws whilst necessary block things from happening.
People are allowed without your permission to use your address to apply for things and when you challenge companies they will quote "data protection" not to you, but to the person illegally using your address.
Until this country wakes up and realizes that it's the person a crime is committed against is the one in need of protection and not the criminal we are lost. |  | | |  |
| The two PC's killed on 17:53 - Aug 24 with 2760 views | Guthrum |
Nobody wants to pay for either the prison system to put convicted criminals in, nor the rehabilitation/reform programmes to lessen reoffending. A cohort of parents have abdicated responsibility for discipline, while undermining it at school.
Voters would rather have tax cuts to pay for their Netflix, so politicians do little other than spout rhetoric. |  |
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| The two PC's killed on 18:21 - Aug 24 with 2616 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The two PC's killed on 17:53 - Aug 24 by Guthrum |
Nobody wants to pay for either the prison system to put convicted criminals in, nor the rehabilitation/reform programmes to lessen reoffending. A cohort of parents have abdicated responsibility for discipline, while undermining it at school.
Voters would rather have tax cuts to pay for their Netflix, so politicians do little other than spout rhetoric. |
Absolutely!
It costs a lot of money to have a fully functioning justice system with adequate prevention, detention and rehabilitation capabilities, assuming anyone can even agree the relative importance of those things. |  |
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| The two PC's killed on 18:40 - Aug 24 with 2519 views | bartyg |
| The two PC's killed on 17:53 - Aug 24 by Guthrum |
Nobody wants to pay for either the prison system to put convicted criminals in, nor the rehabilitation/reform programmes to lessen reoffending. A cohort of parents have abdicated responsibility for discipline, while undermining it at school.
Voters would rather have tax cuts to pay for their Netflix, so politicians do little other than spout rhetoric. |
It's a problem of short sighted politics, of lack of investment, as with pretty much every other sector. Community outreach, youth programs etc are an easy cut, there's no immediate impact and they are relatively expensive.
It's only 10 years down the line when it becomes a problem, when the people responsible can turn around and say "how are you letting this get out of control" |  |
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| The two PC's killed on 18:42 - Aug 24 with 2505 views | Kievthegreat |
I feel like there are 2 very different points in this. The first about too much going unpunished has a ring of truth. People don't get out of bed one morning and think to themselves I'm going to commit a serious crime. There is usually a long pattern of behaviour and lower level crimes or risk taking behaviour. Dozens of points where the correct intervention (not necessarily punishment) could have prevented further escalation.
You then seem to go on a tangent which doesn't really have anything to do with the PCS and talks about data protection and fraud. For what it's worth if someone is impersonating you, you can report to the company that a fraud is being committed and telling them either they need to report it to the police or you will. If they would be willing to give you information, then they might be willing to give it to the fraudulent party in reverse.
As for your final line, legal protections must be available to all people until they are determined to be guilty by proper due process. Otherwise the law offers no protections at all.
"I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!" |  | | |
| The two PC's killed on 19:01 - Aug 24 with 2419 views | redrickstuhaart |
I think you are linking entirely the wrong things.
Local Authorities try very hard to safeguard without the resources required. Sometimes things go wrong. I see no connection to the policemen killed. Nor any connection with privacy laws.
What you need to be complaining about is systematic reduction of resourcing for key services | |
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| The two PC's killed on 19:12 - Aug 24 with 2355 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The two PC's killed on 18:42 - Aug 24 by Kievthegreat |
I feel like there are 2 very different points in this. The first about too much going unpunished has a ring of truth. People don't get out of bed one morning and think to themselves I'm going to commit a serious crime. There is usually a long pattern of behaviour and lower level crimes or risk taking behaviour. Dozens of points where the correct intervention (not necessarily punishment) could have prevented further escalation.
You then seem to go on a tangent which doesn't really have anything to do with the PCS and talks about data protection and fraud. For what it's worth if someone is impersonating you, you can report to the company that a fraud is being committed and telling them either they need to report it to the police or you will. If they would be willing to give you information, then they might be willing to give it to the fraudulent party in reverse.
As for your final line, legal protections must be available to all people until they are determined to be guilty by proper due process. Otherwise the law offers no protections at all.
"I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!" |
+1 for A Man For all Seasons quote! | |
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| The two PC's killed on 19:59 - Aug 24 with 2180 views | Ryorry |
Which politician was it who a few years ago had a policy of not letting the little things go? for the reasons you've outlined.
The policy had a catchy title, but I've forgotten that too! |  |
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| The two PC's killed on 09:08 - Aug 25 with 1834 views | DJR |
| The two PC's killed on 19:59 - Aug 24 by Ryorry |
Which politician was it who a few years ago had a policy of not letting the little things go? for the reasons you've outlined.
The policy had a catchy title, but I've forgotten that too! |
Are you talking about zero-tolerance policing which was most associated with Mayor Giuliani and NYPD police chief, Bill Bratton?
In this country, Roy Mallon of Cleveland police (known as Robocop) was associated with this policy but was forced to resign because of allegations of misconduct. He later became Mayor of Middlesbrough.
https://www.college.police.uk/
From the article.
"Zero-tolerance policing (ZTP) is a strategy that aims to reduce minor offences and more serious crime through relentless order maintenance and aggressive law enforcement, against even minor disorder and incivilities (Dur and Van Der Weele, 2013).
A systematic review of the evidence has, however, shown that aggressive order maintenance has not reduced crime, and concluded that ZTP is not an effective crime reduction strategy (Braga and others, 2019)." [Post edited 25 Aug 9:16]
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| The two PC's killed on 09:24 - Aug 25 with 1764 views | OldFart71 |
| The two PC's killed on 18:42 - Aug 24 by Kievthegreat |
I feel like there are 2 very different points in this. The first about too much going unpunished has a ring of truth. People don't get out of bed one morning and think to themselves I'm going to commit a serious crime. There is usually a long pattern of behaviour and lower level crimes or risk taking behaviour. Dozens of points where the correct intervention (not necessarily punishment) could have prevented further escalation.
You then seem to go on a tangent which doesn't really have anything to do with the PCS and talks about data protection and fraud. For what it's worth if someone is impersonating you, you can report to the company that a fraud is being committed and telling them either they need to report it to the police or you will. If they would be willing to give you information, then they might be willing to give it to the fraudulent party in reverse.
As for your final line, legal protections must be available to all people until they are determined to be guilty by proper due process. Otherwise the law offers no protections at all.
"I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!" |
Maybe I did go off on one and what I said about someone using my address. This was something that happened where insurance for a van with someone else's name but my address was used. We reported it to the company and all we got was a reply regarding data protection of the person using our address.
As for reporting it to the police it's like everything these days, they just aren't interested.
My Son-in-law had his car hit on three or four occasions when parked on the side of the road in Sproughton which is a rat run. On the last occasion two witnesses took the cars registration. He reported it to the police and their reply was "Contact his insurance,but if he denies hitting your car then you will have to put it through your insurance"
So the guy denies it.
My point may have been lost. But it's just that so much these days is totally the wrong way around. | | | |
| The two PC's killed on 09:49 - Aug 25 with 1693 views | naa |
The money isn't there in the system anymore and no one is willing to pay for it unfortunately.
Crime often happens when other factors in life are bad. Fixing the root rather than just sticking people in jail is better.
Norway have also proved that rehabilitation works much better than punishment, but it's a tough pill to swallow.
My point is, the answer is complicated and needs funding, whatever the chosen option. | | | |
| The two PC's killed on 10:35 - Aug 25 with 1572 views | Benters |
It’s blooming woke rubbish that’s what it is.
It’s the Labour way everything is all arse about face.
Balls. |  |
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| The two PC's killed on 10:40 - Aug 25 with 1556 views | positivity |
| The two PC's killed on 10:35 - Aug 25 by Benters |
It’s blooming woke rubbish that’s what it is.
It’s the Labour way everything is all arse about face.
Balls. |
not this | |
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| The two PC's killed on 10:45 - Aug 25 with 1532 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Steuggling to see what EU data protection laws have to do with the death of the policemen?
Can always relax the laws so tech companies can sell your details to the CCP?
As others point out, these feral repeat offenders seem to operate with impunity due to a lack of police (one of the lowest per capita in Europe), and under resourced justice system. The anti social mobs that ruin our towns need not worry about bumping into a patrolling officer. Or being caught retrospectively since for some reason we allow people to dress up like the IRA in balaclavas… | | | |
| The two PC's killed on 10:46 - Aug 25 with 1527 views | DJR |
| The two PC's killed on 09:08 - Aug 25 by DJR |
Are you talking about zero-tolerance policing which was most associated with Mayor Giuliani and NYPD police chief, Bill Bratton?
In this country, Roy Mallon of Cleveland police (known as Robocop) was associated with this policy but was forced to resign because of allegations of misconduct. He later became Mayor of Middlesbrough.
https://www.college.police.uk/
From the article.
"Zero-tolerance policing (ZTP) is a strategy that aims to reduce minor offences and more serious crime through relentless order maintenance and aggressive law enforcement, against even minor disorder and incivilities (Dur and Van Der Weele, 2013).
A systematic review of the evidence has, however, shown that aggressive order maintenance has not reduced crime, and concluded that ZTP is not an effective crime reduction strategy (Braga and others, 2019)." [Post edited 25 Aug 9:16]
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Or are you talking about Willie Whitelaw's "short, sharp, shock" policy?
This article suggests it wasn't a success.
https://the70s80s90s.com/2025/ [Post edited 25 Aug 10:51]
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| The two PC's killed on 12:54 - Aug 25 with 1363 views | Pendejo |
Point 1
Have said it before; if there is no jeopardy for commiting crime, then there is no prevention to that crime getting out of control. There's a core of society almost born to be criminals and the CJS seems to accept this, only coming down hard on the errant straights.
Not everyone can be rehabilitated..?
Point 2
Child abuse, when SS do take action a whole host of supporters appear crying about injustice- whatever you do is wrong!
Point 3
With regards the political / ruling classes, nothing is done unless it specifically affects them
Point 4
Privacy laws - the biggest problem here is that many people do not understand them or difference between GDPR & DPA. The key phrase is legitimate need for data, which is for enforcement of law, and anything being taken out with your name & address that's not you needs to be reported.
But hey why worry according yo X the Ruskies are about to bomb the sh1t out of us |  |
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| The two PC's killed on 13:13 - Aug 25 with 1319 views | MattinLondon |
| The two PC's killed on 10:35 - Aug 25 by Benters |
It’s blooming woke rubbish that’s what it is.
It’s the Labour way everything is all arse about face.
Balls. |
Of the last fifty years, 32 of them have been under a Tory administration- for good or worse, it’s that party which has influenced society the most. |  | | |
| The two PC's killed on 14:16 - Aug 25 with 1209 views | OldFootball |
I think most people in the country share your opinion. Sadly, the political elite do not. |  | | |
| The two PC's killed on 14:26 - Aug 25 with 1187 views | MattinLondon |
| The two PC's killed on 14:16 - Aug 25 by OldFootball |
I think most people in the country share your opinion. Sadly, the political elite do not. |
The phrase ‘political elite’ is a total nonsense and means nothing.
Voters elect the politicians, it’s the people’s fault if they vote in useless politicians. | | | |
| The two PC's killed on 15:00 - Aug 25 with 1132 views | Ryorry |
| The two PC's killed on 09:08 - Aug 25 by DJR |
Are you talking about zero-tolerance policing which was most associated with Mayor Giuliani and NYPD police chief, Bill Bratton?
In this country, Roy Mallon of Cleveland police (known as Robocop) was associated with this policy but was forced to resign because of allegations of misconduct. He later became Mayor of Middlesbrough.
https://www.college.police.uk/
From the article.
"Zero-tolerance policing (ZTP) is a strategy that aims to reduce minor offences and more serious crime through relentless order maintenance and aggressive law enforcement, against even minor disorder and incivilities (Dur and Van Der Weele, 2013).
A systematic review of the evidence has, however, shown that aggressive order maintenance has not reduced crime, and concluded that ZTP is not an effective crime reduction strategy (Braga and others, 2019)." [Post edited 25 Aug 9:16]
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Yes, it was ZTP & ‘Robocop’ I was thinking of, but I didn’t know any outcomes (ie whether proved successful or not), thanks 👍 | |
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| The two PC's killed on 15:22 - Aug 25 with 1070 views | MattinLondon |
| The two PC's killed on 10:40 - Aug 25 by positivity |
not this |
But to be fair, it is balls. | | | |
| The two PC's killed on 16:21 - Aug 25 with 982 views | positivity |
| The two PC's killed on 14:26 - Aug 25 by MattinLondon |
The phrase ‘political elite’ is a total nonsense and means nothing.
Voters elect the politicians, it’s the people’s fault if they vote in useless politicians. |
and if they constantly vote for parties pledging to lower taxes, things will get worse and worse.
if we want better services, we have to pay for them! | |
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| The two PC's killed on 16:27 - Aug 25 with 973 views | Whos_blue |
| The two PC's killed on 10:35 - Aug 25 by Benters |
It’s blooming woke rubbish that’s what it is.
It’s the Labour way everything is all arse about face.
Balls. |
Jeez Benters. 7 people are lying dead in a morgue and you chose to turn the conversation to blame Labour and even worse, blame it on woke rubbish.
What is the matter with you?
That's poor. Really poor |  |
| "Look, I don't wanna be the same as everybody else. That's why I'm a Mod, see?" |
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| The two PC's killed on 19:23 - Aug 25 with 869 views | Libero |
| The two PC's killed on 16:27 - Aug 25 by Whos_blue |
Jeez Benters. 7 people are lying dead in a morgue and you chose to turn the conversation to blame Labour and even worse, blame it on woke rubbish.
What is the matter with you?
That's poor. Really poor |
It’s OK, his very not racist mates will be along soon to defend him - maybe he’s ’joking’ again? He’s a ‘maverick’ you know. |  | | |
| The two PC's killed on 00:18 - Aug 26 with 695 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The two PC's killed on 10:35 - Aug 25 by Benters |
It’s blooming woke rubbish that’s what it is.
It’s the Labour way everything is all arse about face.
Balls. |
Simple idiot |  | | |
| The two PC's killed on 02:45 - Aug 26 with 624 views | Benters |
| The two PC's killed on 15:22 - Aug 25 by MattinLondon |
But to be fair, it is balls. |
Yes apologies I think it’s the meds I’m on for my ticker operation,I seem to snap a lot at my good lady as well at the moment,who has cared for me excellently,as I’m not allowed to be on my Tod for two weeks.
I will try to be less angry,apologies again. | |
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