| Ed Sheeran 22:48 - Sep 14 with 40373 views | BlueNomad |
Shame he hasn’t made a stand in support of his friend Macklemore.
Macklemore dropped from Ed Sheeran tour after 'Free Palestine' speech https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art [Post edited 14 Sep 22:49]
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| Ed Sheeran on 13:52 - Sep 17 with 1128 views | Churchman |
| Ed Sheeran on 12:45 - Sep 17 by vapour_trail |
You could have said ‘I dont like them’ but no, you decided something more aggressive and rude fitted the bill. Oh well. |
I was not rude to another poster on here and that’s the difference, but of course you know that.
If I went into detail regarding what these people have done you’d find that my comment was actually benign and relatively complimentary towards them. Oh well. |  | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:03 - Sep 17 with 1087 views | mellowblue |
| Ed Sheeran on 09:33 - Sep 17 by grow_our_own |
"You don't need a two-state solution to achieve that." - I'm all for multi-culturalism, but due to history, understandably, the Jewish people will always want their own state. Pretty exceptional case but this is a natural consequence of unfathomable, industrial-scale murder inflicted upon them within living memory.
The only solution is two states. Anyone who opposes this is part of the problem. |
The Jewish wish for a homeland/nation goes back a lot further than the holocaust. For centuries, while part of the Ottoman Empire; and it only found structure to work towards it with the creation of the Zionist Organization formed in the late 19th century. When Palestine fell into our hands post ww1, we supported a greater Palestine model rather than an independent Israel one (it being the days of the British Empire, encouraging lands to gain independence was not always on the menu). Ironically if we had supported Jewish rights more then, it could have provided a haven for Germany to deport Jews to, but that is another historical maybe. |  | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:04 - Sep 17 with 1079 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ed Sheeran on 07:47 - Sep 17 by NthQldITFC |
What about... Yes, but everyone has condemned that - that unacceptable and nasty act from twelve years ago is not what I was very clearly and specifically referring to.
...but what about...but what about...but what about... |
I don’t think you understand what “whataboutism” means (which doesn’t surprise me), click the story and have a big think. |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 14:07 - Sep 17 with 1067 views | grow_our_own |
| Ed Sheeran on 13:19 - Sep 17 by mellowblue |
I know you were serious, just teasing. Over-population is another factor in how mankind is trying to debilitate itself ; how long the growth patterns will remain sustainable with our climate issues sure too affect crops and animal feed, time will tell. |
It's depopulation not overpopulation that will be the problem. Will start to shrink within most of our lifetimes according to most projections (2050s/60s). Most countries are flat or already shrinking outside Africa. Even India's birth rate is below replacement level now.
Either need to nail robotics, or de-toxify migration, otherwise there'll be a tiny working population. |  | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:16 - Sep 17 with 1020 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Ed Sheeran on 09:55 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Is there any need for trying to start an argument with my name? Me and balcombe get on fine (I think he's even bought my poetry book). Carry on trying to goad Glassers, but leave me out of this sort of thing please. |
It was purely an observation that neither of you like to drop an argument!
Chill. |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 14:40 - Sep 17 with 962 views | vapour_trail |
| Ed Sheeran on 13:52 - Sep 17 by Churchman |
I was not rude to another poster on here and that’s the difference, but of course you know that.
If I went into detail regarding what these people have done you’d find that my comment was actually benign and relatively complimentary towards them. Oh well. |
Of course 👍. |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 14:42 - Sep 17 with 958 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:04 - Sep 17 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I don’t think you understand what “whataboutism” means (which doesn’t surprise me), click the story and have a big think. |
To make it simple for you:
I said that the speech he made was full of love not hate.
You replied, specifically to that point, and said (effectively) "here's a different story, what about that?"
(I've said elsewhere that I agree with you that the story you referenced was a bad act by Macklemore) but it was not the thing I was talking about to which you specifically responded with a "whatabout".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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| Ed Sheeran on 14:55 - Sep 17 with 918 views | Billywitch |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:16 - Sep 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It was purely an observation that neither of you like to drop an argument!
Chill. |
Ironic really, as this is very much why this thread exists, because neither do the Israelis and Palestinians | | | |
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| Ed Sheeran on 15:10 - Sep 17 with 870 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:16 - Sep 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It was purely an observation that neither of you like to drop an argument!
Chill. |
Yes we do. |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 15:31 - Sep 17 with 842 views | mellowblue |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:07 - Sep 17 by grow_our_own |
It's depopulation not overpopulation that will be the problem. Will start to shrink within most of our lifetimes according to most projections (2050s/60s). Most countries are flat or already shrinking outside Africa. Even India's birth rate is below replacement level now.
Either need to nail robotics, or de-toxify migration, otherwise there'll be a tiny working population. |
both will be a problem. As the likes of the west, Japan, Russia, China with low birth rates for an aging population, many other countries are increasing population in an unsustainable way re their ability to feed their population. And if food shortages ever become a thing, the ability to feed your population becomes ever more important. World population has increased by a billion in 12 years, that is a lot of mouths. Expected to top out at over 10 billion by 2080 (if mankind survives that long !).India are shielded from this for a while as their average age is 35 but it will happen in time. | | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 15:38 - Sep 17 with 814 views | grow_our_own |
| Ed Sheeran on 15:31 - Sep 17 by mellowblue |
both will be a problem. As the likes of the west, Japan, Russia, China with low birth rates for an aging population, many other countries are increasing population in an unsustainable way re their ability to feed their population. And if food shortages ever become a thing, the ability to feed your population becomes ever more important. World population has increased by a billion in 12 years, that is a lot of mouths. Expected to top out at over 10 billion by 2080 (if mankind survives that long !).India are shielded from this for a while as their average age is 35 but it will happen in time. |
"10 billion by 2080 (if mankind survives that long !). " - that 2080 UN prediction is outdated. It's been superseded by studies that factor IndiaIndonesia's recent development and lower birth rates. Agree with you there's growth-risk until then, but it'll not be as severe as we once thought. | | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 16:01 - Sep 17 with 780 views | mellowblue |
| Ed Sheeran on 15:38 - Sep 17 by grow_our_own |
"10 billion by 2080 (if mankind survives that long !). " - that 2080 UN prediction is outdated. It's been superseded by studies that factor IndiaIndonesia's recent development and lower birth rates. Agree with you there's growth-risk until then, but it'll not be as severe as we once thought. |
worldometer got it wrong have they? I'll log back in in 54 years to see the true total, ha ha
How did it get from Ed to world population figures ? | | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 16:05 - Sep 17 with 769 views | pointofblue |
| Ed Sheeran on 10:45 - Sep 17 by Whos_blue |
This thread has been a bit like the wild west in places and I haven't found the right time or place to jump in with my own tuppence.
To begin with, "Free Palestine" is not the hate speech it was been described as by the promoter and others. It's a cause (not a pet cause) I support.
However, I have struggled a bit with Sheeran's part in this and how it is playing out.
I don't know Ed and I'm not a massive fan of his music, but he has always struck me as a decent person and I've been impressed with his genuine support of our club that goes much further back than our recent success.
Although I don't know for sure, I suspect Ed himself would support the Free Palestine movement.
He has dropped a bit of a clanger in how it has been dealt with and I suspect this is the first time in his career he has experienced a backlash like this. It's hard to say how history will remember him on this issue, but it was probably better to back his friend, suffer whatever consequences came his way and be remembered for doing the right thing. I do get he has to consider his whole entourage though. It seems he has tried to make some amends via a very sizable donation to causes in the area and has encouraged others to do so. For me, Ed has a lot of credit in the bank and he deserves better than the patronage of that class A C-unit SYL. I think this association will hurt him the most personally as I feel he is simply not that person.
I big misstep for sure, but I'm not sure how helpful it is to the cause of Free Palestine to describe Ed as the charlatan he is being described as.
I guess I could be being naive and his philanthropy could all be a show and part of his brand. I hope I'm wrong and in time this is suitably addressed.
Free Palestine. |
It's very nice of his "friend" to do this in the first place and land him in a whole load of trouble when he's just trying to sing. I wonder if he even bothered to tell Ed he was going to do it before opening Pandora's box? | |
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| Ed Sheeran on 16:28 - Sep 17 with 730 views | noggin |
| Ed Sheeran on 16:05 - Sep 17 by pointofblue |
It's very nice of his "friend" to do this in the first place and land him in a whole load of trouble when he's just trying to sing. I wonder if he even bothered to tell Ed he was going to do it before opening Pandora's box? |
You don't like artists bringing politics into music then? |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 16:30 - Sep 17 with 729 views | Swailsey |
| Ed Sheeran on 16:05 - Sep 17 by pointofblue |
It's very nice of his "friend" to do this in the first place and land him in a whole load of trouble when he's just trying to sing. I wonder if he even bothered to tell Ed he was going to do it before opening Pandora's box? |
Well, obviously this wouldn't have caught Ed off-guard. Macklemore released a pro-Palestinian song and is always vocal. |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 16:48 - Sep 17 with 682 views | pointofblue |
| Ed Sheeran on 16:30 - Sep 17 by Swailsey |
Well, obviously this wouldn't have caught Ed off-guard. Macklemore released a pro-Palestinian song and is always vocal. |
There's a difference doing it off his own back and doing it as part of someone else's tour, though. | |
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| Ed Sheeran on 16:52 - Sep 17 with 670 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ed Sheeran on 09:58 - Sep 17 by Churchman |
Because I’m on ignore Libero won’t see this, but in throwing out a post like that, perhaps he should have named names. |
He also has me on ignore. So he won't be able to answer whether one of the companies he's turned down work from whose views on Palestine don't align with his is Disney, who are on the BDS priority list due to its "financial and cultural ties to Israel and complicity in the ongoing genocide"?
Never mind.
Edit. The funny part of this is that the mouth frothers who are down arrowing my post have absolutely no idea why they are doing so other that it’s a post from me. Rent free. [Post edited 17 Sep 22:17]
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| Ed Sheeran on 18:37 - Sep 17 with 553 views | Benters |
| Ed Sheeran on 01:12 - Sep 17 by Libero |
Mark Ashton, Nigel Farage, Ed Sheeran and Tommy Robinson in the same room, at Portman Road - there’s a few in this thread who are getting a semi on at just the thought of it. |
The first two for me would be great I’m not fussed with the second two.😍👍
But then Nigel often parks on my driveway,I haven’t met the dreamboat Ashton yet. |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 19:08 - Sep 17 with 512 views | mellowblue |
| Ed Sheeran on 16:28 - Sep 17 by noggin |
You don't like artists bringing politics into music then? |
even worse, bringing politicians into music. Jeremy Corben - Glastonburys 2017
Too embarrassing. | | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:09 - Sep 17 with 509 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Ed Sheeran on 14:55 - Sep 17 by Billywitch |
Ironic really, as this is very much why this thread exists, because neither do the Israelis and Palestinians |
Only one side is going to lose their land ( and existence? ) | | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:12 - Sep 17 with 491 views | Dubtractor |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:08 - Sep 17 by mellowblue |
even worse, bringing politicians into music. Jeremy Corben - Glastonburys 2017
Too embarrassing. |
I think even most lefties thought that was pretty cringe tbh.
Oh jeremy corbyn ffs. |  |
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| Ed Sheeran on 19:14 - Sep 17 with 483 views | Backtoblue78A |
We need to break all links by 'mutual consent' with Ed, before this escalates into matchday protests which are seen in the US. | | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:20 - Sep 17 with 478 views | BloomBlue |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:14 - Sep 17 by Backtoblue78A |
We need to break all links by 'mutual consent' with Ed, before this escalates into matchday protests which are seen in the US. |
Let's just hope the anti Ed protest isn't as large as the anti Ashton protest at the home game against Brum last season, that will be very embarrassing. |  | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:20 - Sep 17 with 475 views | Blueschev |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:12 - Sep 17 by Dubtractor |
I think even most lefties thought that was pretty cringe tbh.
Oh jeremy corbyn ffs. |
I was encouraged that young people were being engaged in politics for a change, but I really do not like the tendency on the left to get caught up in a cult of personality, not least with somebody as unspectacular as Jeremy Corbyn. |  | | |
| Ed Sheeran on 20:04 - Sep 17 with 424 views | positivity |
| Ed Sheeran on 19:20 - Sep 17 by Blueschev |
I was encouraged that young people were being engaged in politics for a change, but I really do not like the tendency on the left to get caught up in a cult of personality, not least with somebody as unspectacular as Jeremy Corbyn. |
"cult of personality" was a bit of an oxymoron with jezza | |
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