| This is not good #2 11:22 - Sep 27 with 11155 views | TheMoralMajority |
Details very sketchy at the moment, but major incident declared at RAF Fairford, with a number arrested on explosive charges, and a local village evacuated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv
I'm going to save comment on what I think appropriate responses should be depending on what actually occurred, but early rumours are possibly to do with Ukraine, hence Russian backed
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| This is not good #2 on 09:59 - Sep 29 with 1265 views | NthQldITFC |
| This is not good #2 on 17:09 - Sep 28 by marKoffC |
Hare coursing or dogging? |
Dogging please. Where and when? |  |
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| This is not good #2 on 10:03 - Sep 29 with 1223 views | NthQldITFC |
| This is not good #2 on 09:19 - Sep 29 by Dubtractor |
I find it really hard to believe it was a genuine terrorism threat, with them having been released a day after the event. |
That's an understatement, Shirley.
Even if there was any suspicion that it was a decoy to either test the emergency services response, or to create the very situation we have now, you'd think the extended custody would have been used. They didn't even hold them for three days, did they? | |
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| This is not good #2 on 10:20 - Sep 29 with 1193 views | NthQldITFC |
| This is not good #2 on 09:35 - Sep 29 by Guthrum |
Going to be substantial egg on faces if this turns out to be nothing more than incompetent thievery. |
It strikes me that this might be all Burnham's work. Hear me out:
He wants Britain to enter a new age of industrialisation.
Post WW2 just about the only decent stab at this we've had was the Ealing Comedy era, which petered out in the late 50s.
This whole episode is beginning to look like a very good pattern for a New Ealing revival, with a bunch of incompetent crooks (maybe led by Alec Guinness or Stanley Holloway), a corrupt and devious political party trying to make hay out of the situation (Alastair Sim as Fergal Narage?), then you could have Lionel Jeffries as PC Wobble, charging around the back lanes of Gloucestershire on his bicycle, and someone like Bernard Bresslaw* on a football club message board claiming it was an alien invasion. I'd personally put Charles Hawtrey* in the role of POTUS, just to wind up Trump, but maybe Peter Sellers could revive a blend of his Dr Strangelove / Mouse That Roared personae for the part.
* I realise some of these were not Ealing comedy actors, but this isn't an entirely serious post. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 10:23 - Sep 29 with 1181 views | Guthrum |
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Also understand the Farmer tried to ring the Ministry of Defence emergency helpline at 1am and appears that it was unmanned. Truly frightening if true. |
Weekend, innit. The UK military all go home. Which is why the Soviets always planned to attack on a Sunday. |  |
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| This is not good #2 on 10:28 - Sep 29 with 1167 views | Guthrum |
| This is not good #2 on 16:15 - Sep 28 by Billywitch |
not to mention the PM passing comment on a figure with an ongoing trial this weekend too, of course.
Its like a bunch of primary school kids in suits trying to run the country (across various parties I will add, to show no favoritism) |
Tho he didn't pass comment on the matters which are sub judice, namely criminal damage and failing to give access to his mobile phone. He's not been charged with any racial aggravation. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 10:46 - Sep 29 with 1137 views | TIB |
| This is not good #2 on 09:35 - Sep 29 by Guthrum |
Going to be substantial egg on faces if this turns out to be nothing more than incompetent thievery. |
I think it’s increasingly looking exactly this Guthrum. Huge omelette straight to the face if that is the case. |  |
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| This is not good #2 on 10:54 - Sep 29 with 1083 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is not good #2 on 10:46 - Sep 29 by TIB |
I think it’s increasingly looking exactly this Guthrum. Huge omelette straight to the face if that is the case. |
except rubio is digging in and committing to something being real. it will be interesting to see what finally comes out - i don't see it can really all be nothing. (although of course, as previously mentioned, we have the barham serious terrorism incident which turned out to be 100% imaginary). |  |
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| This is not good #2 on 11:47 - Sep 29 with 1019 views | ElderGrizzly |
| This is not good #2 on 10:54 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
except rubio is digging in and committing to something being real. it will be interesting to see what finally comes out - i don't see it can really all be nothing. (although of course, as previously mentioned, we have the barham serious terrorism incident which turned out to be 100% imaginary). |
Rubio is purely defending Trump’s lies from the weekend, because he is a sycophant with zero backbone. It’s amazing how much airtime it is being given over here.
And when we reveal the real reason, Trump will accuse the UK of being soft etc etc |  | | |
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| This is not good #2 on 11:52 - Sep 29 with 988 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is not good #2 on 11:47 - Sep 29 by ElderGrizzly |
Rubio is purely defending Trump’s lies from the weekend, because he is a sycophant with zero backbone. It’s amazing how much airtime it is being given over here.
And when we reveal the real reason, Trump will accuse the UK of being soft etc etc |
we'll see. i suspect there's something more involved with this - but who knows. if it really is all imaginary there are big questions about our intelligence services and particularly about police comms in cases such as this. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 11:55 - Sep 29 with 1001 views | ElderGrizzly |
| This is not good #2 on 11:52 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
we'll see. i suspect there's something more involved with this - but who knows. if it really is all imaginary there are big questions about our intelligence services and particularly about police comms in cases such as this. |
Trump doubled down after Rubio too
“We know everything about them. We would not have released them,” the president said.
It clearly is a mess, but one born from the media and certain political parties demand for ‘evidence’ from minute 1.
To your point “if it is imaginary”, why would the security services be at fault if it turns out to be some diesel thieves? [Post edited 29 Sep 11:57]
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| This is not good #2 on 12:19 - Sep 29 with 944 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is not good #2 on 11:55 - Sep 29 by ElderGrizzly |
Trump doubled down after Rubio too
“We know everything about them. We would not have released them,” the president said.
It clearly is a mess, but one born from the media and certain political parties demand for ‘evidence’ from minute 1.
To your point “if it is imaginary”, why would the security services be at fault if it turns out to be some diesel thieves? [Post edited 29 Sep 11:57]
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because it's clear that in the days immediately prior they were preparing for something, and once it had happened they allowed it to progress as far as a cobra meeting. if it turns out to be imaginary both things question their judgement. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 12:21 - Sep 29 with 953 views | BarcaBlue |
| This is not good #2 on 11:52 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
we'll see. i suspect there's something more involved with this - but who knows. if it really is all imaginary there are big questions about our intelligence services and particularly about police comms in cases such as this. |
I don't think our intelligence services are involved with fuel thieves / fly tippers / doggers, and the police response appears appropriate - much more than Farage who immediately brought up boats, home office visas and illegals. Trump, Rubio and the US administration are warmongering chancers who jumped on this as quickly as Farage to push their agendas. |  | | |
| This is not good #2 on 12:21 - Sep 29 with 955 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Turning out stranger than fiction!
Certainly odd they’ve been released on bail given the circumstances.
Fuel theft seems unlikely to me given how far they traveled, and the fake company van seems elaborate for what is not a very sophisticated crime. The vans certainly scream intelligence operation.
On the other hand, if it were fuel theft, a group that went to such lengths to not be identified (fake vans, balaclavas), you’d think would have probably avoided a target next to a base of the world’s most expensive military whilst they are engaged in a conflict and on high alert….*
*I know it was the public that made the report, but common sense says security and surveillance would be high in the area. I certainly wouldn’t fancy being caught by armed military personnel in a balaclava!! [Post edited 29 Sep 12:23]
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| This is not good #2 on 12:26 - Sep 29 with 915 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is not good #2 on 12:21 - Sep 29 by BarcaBlue |
I don't think our intelligence services are involved with fuel thieves / fly tippers / doggers, and the police response appears appropriate - much more than Farage who immediately brought up boats, home office visas and illegals. Trump, Rubio and the US administration are warmongering chancers who jumped on this as quickly as Farage to push their agendas. |
why would our intelligence services be involved with fuel thieves / fly tippers / doggers? clearly their involvement indicates that they assumed it was something else. let's wait and see what actually comes out, rather than letting views on trump and rubio drive the narrative. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 12:39 - Sep 29 with 908 views | Guthrum |
| This is not good #2 on 12:19 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
because it's clear that in the days immediately prior they were preparing for something, and once it had happened they allowed it to progress as far as a cobra meeting. if it turns out to be imaginary both things question their judgement. |
Except that a lot of "preparations" fall into place in hindsight, which were not really coordinated at all.
There has been increased security around Fairford for some time (previously reported). Visibility screens being put up, precautions against protestors and moving on 'plane spotters. General security operations over several weeks, not specific ones in the last few days.
Even if there was a specific alert, our gang of London villains could have blundered into it. Trying to remember, but there was an incident once where petty criminality got caught up in an espionage attempt and blew the lid off.
The Cobra meeting is just a matter of course if there has been a potential threat. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 12:50 - Sep 29 with 875 views | NthQldITFC |
| This is not good #2 on 10:54 - Sep 29 by lowhouseblue |
except rubio is digging in and committing to something being real. it will be interesting to see what finally comes out - i don't see it can really all be nothing. (although of course, as previously mentioned, we have the barham serious terrorism incident which turned out to be 100% imaginary). |
Remember, Trump dug in on the former Olympian canoeist being the reason why his cheapo paint job on the paddling pool fell off!
There's absolutely zero relevance to anything that comes out of Trump and his cronies' mouths, on any subject, ever. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 15:00 - Sep 29 with 749 views | bluester |
| This is not good #2 on 11:43 - Sep 27 by BelsteadCav |
Going by the story below, it could be any nutter given a visa from the home office |
There really wasn't any need for this was there? You were completely wide of the mark and this was yet another attempt by you to demonise immigrants. | | | |
| This is not good #2 on 15:31 - Sep 29 with 679 views | TheMoralMajority |
| This is not good #2 on 12:39 - Sep 29 by Guthrum |
Except that a lot of "preparations" fall into place in hindsight, which were not really coordinated at all.
There has been increased security around Fairford for some time (previously reported). Visibility screens being put up, precautions against protestors and moving on 'plane spotters. General security operations over several weeks, not specific ones in the last few days.
Even if there was a specific alert, our gang of London villains could have blundered into it. Trying to remember, but there was an incident once where petty criminality got caught up in an espionage attempt and blew the lid off.
The Cobra meeting is just a matter of course if there has been a potential threat. |
FWIW, given how things have panned out, I suspect that the most obvious thing is idiots getting up to no good in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I know we shouldn't speculate, but speculating is fun... as long as it stays as just that, speculation.
It is not implausible that this was a response test. Hire these guys to go in and do some minor crime to see if they get picked up, prior to planning a bigger job.
Alternatively they could be released on bail to see what they do and who they contact, especially if it turns out these aren't the sharpest tools in the box.
It may be a massive failing in our justice system.
Or it could just be 5 guys who wanted to go to an anonymous midnight picnic party.
Either way, it is all quite odd, not straightforward and impossible to draw any conclusions given all of the conflicting noise around this. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 22:04 - Sep 29 with 543 views | Guthrum |
| This is not good #2 on 12:21 - Sep 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Turning out stranger than fiction!
Certainly odd they’ve been released on bail given the circumstances.
Fuel theft seems unlikely to me given how far they traveled, and the fake company van seems elaborate for what is not a very sophisticated crime. The vans certainly scream intelligence operation.
On the other hand, if it were fuel theft, a group that went to such lengths to not be identified (fake vans, balaclavas), you’d think would have probably avoided a target next to a base of the world’s most expensive military whilst they are engaged in a conflict and on high alert….*
*I know it was the public that made the report, but common sense says security and surveillance would be high in the area. I certainly wouldn’t fancy being caught by armed military personnel in a balaclava!! [Post edited 29 Sep 12:23]
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Only a couple of hours from South London (M4, A419). | |
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| This is not good #2 on 23:25 - Sep 29 with 494 views | StokieBlue |
Stranger and stranger, one of the people arrested then bailed actually called 999 themselves:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
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| This is not good #2 on 07:18 - Sep 30 with 375 views | NthQldITFC |
Does this suggest something like a deliberate provocation with a pretty passive outcome, an attempt to just make the UK look silly (no comment) or a way of testing responses and information gathering? | |
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| This is not good #2 on 08:03 - Sep 30 with 332 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This is not good #2 on 07:18 - Sep 30 by NthQldITFC |
Does this suggest something like a deliberate provocation with a pretty passive outcome, an attempt to just make the UK look silly (no comment) or a way of testing responses and information gathering? |
I think you're close with your "looking silly" comment, but I don't believe there's foreign state involvement. I found the following paragraph in the Guardian article revealing:
"Ministers have been briefed that Iran has various reasons for hiring proxies, who sometimes are unwitting, to carry out acts that aim to eat up resources and create chaos."
I think it might be closer to:
"Ministers have been briefed to blame Iranian proxies when resources are unnecessarily eaten up following chaotic policing."
If these 5 British men from London called 999 in the first place and have since been released on bail, they are almost certainly NOT Iranian or Russian proxies, or even proxies of proxies of proxies of proxies of any unfriendly foreign state. But you never know. |  |
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| This is not good #2 on 08:12 - Sep 30 with 319 views | NthQldITFC |
| This is not good #2 on 08:03 - Sep 30 by Cafe_Newman |
I think you're close with your "looking silly" comment, but I don't believe there's foreign state involvement. I found the following paragraph in the Guardian article revealing:
"Ministers have been briefed that Iran has various reasons for hiring proxies, who sometimes are unwitting, to carry out acts that aim to eat up resources and create chaos."
I think it might be closer to:
"Ministers have been briefed to blame Iranian proxies when resources are unnecessarily eaten up following chaotic policing."
If these 5 British men from London called 999 in the first place and have since been released on bail, they are almost certainly NOT Iranian or Russian proxies, or even proxies of proxies of proxies of proxies of any unfriendly foreign state. But you never know. |
But what are they then? Pranksters? Proxies of (proxies of proxies of) any 'friendly' foreign state? Proxies of internal entities? Performance artists? The world and human affairs grow more surreal by the day. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 08:18 - Sep 30 with 302 views | Cafe_Newman |
| This is not good #2 on 08:12 - Sep 30 by NthQldITFC |
But what are they then? Pranksters? Proxies of (proxies of proxies of) any 'friendly' foreign state? Proxies of internal entities? Performance artists? The world and human affairs grow more surreal by the day. |
"Fear generators" would be my guess. Essential components preceding any ruling body's action in any country since the beginning of time. | |
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| This is not good #2 on 08:21 - Sep 30 with 285 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is not good #2 on 08:18 - Sep 30 by Cafe_Newman |
"Fear generators" would be my guess. Essential components preceding any ruling body's action in any country since the beginning of time. |
and out comes the false flag. it had to happen. | |
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