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Loving Burnham's visions and promises 14:55 - Sep 29 with 2652 viewsNthQldITFC

To paraphrase: "I may have to pay a political price, but I'm going to do these things that our country needs."

Cue the usual, fossilised cynicism from both sides of the spectrum, but I have a good feeling about this bloke.

It won't be possible to achieve everything, but I'd rather someone took a political risk and gave it a bloody good go - there's no point pissing around with an eye on five years time, we need some fundamental change based on all of us, first of all, providing a solid, social base, and developing responsibly from there where possible.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:32 - Sep 29 with 429 viewsredrickstuhaart

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:18 - Sep 29 by BelsteadCav

All planned and a show

Glad you fell for it


My god, that is one of the most obnoxious and inhuman posts I have seen on here for years.

I thought better of you.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:36 - Sep 29 with 415 viewspeterleeblue

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:18 - Sep 29 by BelsteadCav

All planned and a show

Glad you fell for it


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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:37 - Sep 29 with 406 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 15:18 - Sep 29 by DanTheMan

Mostly fine, but I'm not so keen on putting all this stuff off until after the next election with a pinky promise you'll do it.

We've definitely been there before with electoral reform...


Yes the timeline on it is pathetic, and since they are keeping it linked to inflation I can’t see how it’s possibly going to save money for social care. He know’s full well inflation is going to be the highest of those 3 metrics anyway for the next few years.

I’m not in favour of putting pensioners in poverty, but it’s totally unfair us youngsters are funding better schemes than we’ll ever see. There has to be a total reform of what the state pension is or well continue our managed decline. No bravery at all in politics just kicking the can for future governments.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:58 - Sep 29 with 375 viewsmellowblue

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:37 - Sep 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Yes the timeline on it is pathetic, and since they are keeping it linked to inflation I can’t see how it’s possibly going to save money for social care. He know’s full well inflation is going to be the highest of those 3 metrics anyway for the next few years.

I’m not in favour of putting pensioners in poverty, but it’s totally unfair us youngsters are funding better schemes than we’ll ever see. There has to be a total reform of what the state pension is or well continue our managed decline. No bravery at all in politics just kicking the can for future governments.


counter arguement is that 50-80 years ago when the pensioners were starting their careers there was not the encouragement to join pension schemes there is these days. So too many people have started retirement relying solely on state pension. At least those in the 20-40s bracket should by now be building retirement pots that should put them in a decent position when they finally retire (assuming state pension is still available) .

The main issue is not so much the individual increase but the collective effect of an increasing aged population.
Kicking the can down the road is a correct statement.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:04 - Sep 29 with 368 viewsMullet

If he can reverse and undo just a fraction of the damage Thatcherism has done to this country he might be the greatest PM since Blair.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:05 - Sep 29 with 365 viewsMullet

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:23 - Sep 29 by J2BLUE

He was clearly emotional. Imagine trying to weaponise someone's dad dying.

ffs.


Bill has come back radicalised and unpleasant it seems. His output has been appalling for some time. I suspect he will be as elusive as his big cats soon enough

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:10 - Sep 29 with 355 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:58 - Sep 29 by mellowblue

counter arguement is that 50-80 years ago when the pensioners were starting their careers there was not the encouragement to join pension schemes there is these days. So too many people have started retirement relying solely on state pension. At least those in the 20-40s bracket should by now be building retirement pots that should put them in a decent position when they finally retire (assuming state pension is still available) .

The main issue is not so much the individual increase but the collective effect of an increasing aged population.
Kicking the can down the road is a correct statement.
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Yeah again, changes would need to be tapered, but we’ve got to the point that there is 2.4 economically inactive (yes I know pensioners still spend some money), for each working taxpayer.

In short the young are f….
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:57 - Sep 29 with 300 viewsPinewoodblue

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:10 - Sep 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Yeah again, changes would need to be tapered, but we’ve got to the point that there is 2.4 economically inactive (yes I know pensioners still spend some money), for each working taxpayer.

In short the young are f….


Pensioners also pay tax. I received a revised tax code last Saturday. My tax code reduced by 1. Why? Because my pension went up by 25p a week and they needed to claw back 20% of that. As a consequence I will, between now and April, have to pay the grand total of £2 extra in tax.

Cost them more than that to tell me.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 19:10 - Sep 29 with 264 viewsWolfshead

If he doesn't cut the welfare bill then it will be the richest that pay for it all, then they'll leave the country and then we'll be stuffed.

All very well coming out with new ideas, but something needs to give in the welfare budget.

I'm a great advocate of social care reforms BUT it needs to be paid for in the right way.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:03 - Sep 29 with 193 viewsJ2BLUE

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 19:10 - Sep 29 by Wolfshead

If he doesn't cut the welfare bill then it will be the richest that pay for it all, then they'll leave the country and then we'll be stuffed.

All very well coming out with new ideas, but something needs to give in the welfare budget.

I'm a great advocate of social care reforms BUT it needs to be paid for in the right way.


What would you cut?
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:08 - Sep 29 with 174 viewsWolfshead

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:03 - Sep 29 by J2BLUE

What would you cut?


...the welfare bill

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:09 - Sep 29 with 169 viewsJ2BLUE

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:08 - Sep 29 by Wolfshead

...the welfare bill


Yes, I read that...was looking for something more specific.

Genuinely interested.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:16 - Sep 29 with 162 viewsDanTheMan

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:08 - Sep 29 by Wolfshead

...the welfare bill



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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:28 - Sep 29 with 127 viewsWolfshead

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:09 - Sep 29 by J2BLUE

Yes, I read that...was looking for something more specific.

Genuinely interested.


Don't have anything more specific than that, other than people need to be encouraged to get out to work (and that includes better support for single parents for example) rather than claiming welfare.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:28 - Sep 29 with 122 viewsWolfshead

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:16 - Sep 29 by DanTheMan



No idea of the relevance of this!

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:31 - Sep 29 with 118 viewsvapour_trail

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 16:10 - Sep 29 by Cafe_Newman

I loathe self checkouts for the reasons you give, but you can do some things to prevent these job losses.

Insist on using the manned-checkouts, even if it means queuing. Alternatively, be old and doddery when you do use the self-checkout. Literally take 20-30 to check out and slow up the checkout process - if enough people do this, people will stop shopping at these places.


This triggers rage in me like nothing else on the planet.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:33 - Sep 29 with 111 viewsDanTheMan

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:28 - Sep 29 by Wolfshead

No idea of the relevance of this!


We're gonna cut the welfare bill by getting those disabled people down in the mine of course!

Kids are optional but I reckon you could call it an apprenticeship.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:34 - Sep 29 with 106 viewsJ2BLUE

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:28 - Sep 29 by Wolfshead

Don't have anything more specific than that, other than people need to be encouraged to get out to work (and that includes better support for single parents for example) rather than claiming welfare.


Fair enough, thanks for answering.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:34 - Sep 29 with 105 viewsGuthrum

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:28 - Sep 29 by Wolfshead

Don't have anything more specific than that, other than people need to be encouraged to get out to work (and that includes better support for single parents for example) rather than claiming welfare.


What about people who are working, but don't earn enough to live, so need supplementary benefits?

Good Lord! Whatever is it?
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:34 - Sep 29 with 105 viewsvapour_trail

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:18 - Sep 29 by WestStanderLaLaLa

Try to let a little context into your life. The person who tweeted has seen good sense and deleted it. Maybe you should too.


The force is not strong in this one.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:34 - Sep 29 with 98 viewsvapour_trail

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 17:32 - Sep 29 by redrickstuhaart

My god, that is one of the most obnoxious and inhuman posts I have seen on here for years.

I thought better of you.


Did you???

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:35 - Sep 29 with 95 viewsDJR

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:08 - Sep 29 by Wolfshead

...the welfare bill


Pensions make up 48% of the welfare bill, and many pensioners will recipients be of non-pension welfare payments such as attendance allowance, housing benefit, disability living allowance and PIP.

Indeed, welfare spending overall as a percentage of GDP is lower than under austerity, a time when the pension element would presumably have been smaller than it is now given the impact that the triple lock has had.
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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:50 - Sep 29 with 44 viewsWolfshead

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:34 - Sep 29 by J2BLUE

Fair enough, thanks for answering.


Sure thing.

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:51 - Sep 29 with 38 viewsWolfshead

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:33 - Sep 29 by DanTheMan

We're gonna cut the welfare bill by getting those disabled people down in the mine of course!

Kids are optional but I reckon you could call it an apprenticeship.


Bizarre

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Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 20:53 - Sep 29 with 33 viewsSwansea_Blue

Loving Burnham's visions and promises on 18:04 - Sep 29 by Mullet

If he can reverse and undo just a fraction of the damage Thatcherism has done to this country he might be the greatest PM since Blair.


He’s a breath of fresh air already after the last idiot who wasted a massive majority for two years. I’m in agreement with the OP. At least there’s the start of a coherent vision with some ambition. There’s been some decent easy wins announced so far but the hard work’s still to come. I suspect they’ll fall short of what they’re aiming for, but at least they’re thinking about some of the big challenges (not all; the environment’s barely been addressed yet bar the already discussed water co privatisation). It’s not all about the cost of living, so I hope they’re good at multitasking!

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