| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder 16:35 - Jul 27 with 2581 views | SWGF |
Doing everything that would've been asked of him. Getting stuck in, winning the ball, driving forward, spraying passes. It really was a "midfield general" performance. Playing way beyond his years.
But there's no excuse for the red mist. Yes, get up and push your chest into the other chap if you must. But a full-on headbutt is naive. As has been said elsewhere, he'll be targeted by older/wiser players, looking for that reaction. It's where Skuse/Chambers
/Judge will need to be in his ear. [Post edited 27 Jul 2019 16:46]
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 16:38 - Jul 27 with 2220 views | textbackup |
ignoring the red...... was his performance today better than anything you've seen skuse do in 4/5 years? |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 16:40 - Jul 27 with 2212 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 16:38 - Jul 27 by textbackup |
ignoring the red...... was his performance today better than anything you've seen skuse do in 4/5 years? |
Kevin Foley against Forest a few years back was better than anything we’ve seen from a Skuse. |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:01 - Jul 27 with 2095 views | 3_5_2 |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 16:38 - Jul 27 by textbackup |
ignoring the red...... was his performance today better than anything you've seen skuse do in 4/5 years? |
I am a Skuse fan but have to say that if Downes plays like he did today (pre red mist) he could step in that role if we play one DM
Given the issues we have at CB for at least a month or so, I think we will be playing 2 DM anyway |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:07 - Jul 27 with 2068 views | Darth_Koont |
When you say full-on headbutt do you mean there was contact or he really stepped into it?
If so, I don't think he should play next week as an ITFC disciplinary matter. We can't be having that - and that's probably even a police matter. |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:11 - Jul 27 with 2050 views | itfcjoe |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:07 - Jul 27 by Darth_Koont |
When you say full-on headbutt do you mean there was contact or he really stepped into it?
If so, I don't think he should play next week as an ITFC disciplinary matter. We can't be having that - and that's probably even a police matter. |
Come on.... |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:16 - Jul 27 with 2019 views | Darth_Koont |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:11 - Jul 27 by itfcjoe |
Come on.... |
What do you mean? You've got to draw the line somewhere and without having seen it a "full-on headbutt" is certainly over that line.
If it was the footballer version of head nudging then that's fair enough. But anyone who's properly head butted someone needs to be disciplined. | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:21 - Jul 27 with 1996 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:07 - Jul 27 by Darth_Koont |
When you say full-on headbutt do you mean there was contact or he really stepped into it?
If so, I don't think he should play next week as an ITFC disciplinary matter. We can't be having that - and that's probably even a police matter. |
Snowflake. | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:27 - Jul 27 with 1963 views | Bluefish |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 16:38 - Jul 27 by textbackup |
ignoring the red...... was his performance today better than anything you've seen skuse do in 4/5 years? |
A bit desperate that mate |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:28 - Jul 27 with 1970 views | Jeff_winger |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:16 - Jul 27 by Darth_Koont |
What do you mean? You've got to draw the line somewhere and without having seen it a "full-on headbutt" is certainly over that line.
If it was the footballer version of head nudging then that's fair enough. But anyone who's properly head butted someone needs to be disciplined. |
Here it is
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1381511955438339?view=permalink&id=236215699070715 |  | | |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:36 - Jul 27 with 1931 views | itfcjoe |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:16 - Jul 27 by Darth_Koont |
What do you mean? You've got to draw the line somewhere and without having seen it a "full-on headbutt" is certainly over that line.
If it was the footballer version of head nudging then that's fair enough. But anyone who's properly head butted someone needs to be disciplined. |
There’s a difference between drawing a line, and maybe fining him, and it being a police matter | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:40 - Jul 27 with 1903 views | Swansea_Blue |
Quality player. He's certainly good enough to move straight back into the Championship. |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:04 - Jul 27 with 1844 views | Darth_Koont |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:36 - Jul 27 by itfcjoe |
There’s a difference between drawing a line, and maybe fining him, and it being a police matter |
Of course. But a proper headbutt is GBH. A little ding is still unacceptable which is where you discipline the player, because even the usual footballer head-rubbing is just stupid.
Depends on the incident. But I'm not happy sweeping a "full-on headbutt" under the rug. | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:08 - Jul 27 with 1819 views | WD19 |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:04 - Jul 27 by Darth_Koont |
Of course. But a proper headbutt is GBH. A little ding is still unacceptable which is where you discipline the player, because even the usual footballer head-rubbing is just stupid.
Depends on the incident. But I'm not happy sweeping a "full-on headbutt" under the rug. |
What about a filthy attempt to break someone’s ankle. Is that gbh?
Is a broken ankle more or less serious than a broken nose?
Asking for a friend.... |  | | |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:16 - Jul 27 with 1798 views | moughm |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:23 - Jul 27 with 1773 views | Garv |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:08 - Jul 27 by WD19 |
What about a filthy attempt to break someone’s ankle. Is that gbh?
Is a broken ankle more or less serious than a broken nose?
Asking for a friend.... |
Can you genuinely claim the tackle was more of an attempt to hurt the opponent than the headbutt was? |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:33 - Jul 27 with 1752 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:16 - Jul 27 by moughm |
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Agree with SW. He was a shining light in a desert of crapness last season for me. He’s a very tidy player (too good for L1). | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:38 - Jul 27 with 1737 views | MalcolmBlue |
The camera was at the other side of the pitch but to give Downes his credit it looked like one hell of a headbutt...crunch...get in son!
Hope the Cambridge guy got his nose broke. |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:51 - Jul 27 with 1685 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:38 - Jul 27 by MalcolmBlue |
The camera was at the other side of the pitch but to give Downes his credit it looked like one hell of a headbutt...crunch...get in son!
Hope the Cambridge guy got his nose broke. |
That’s nice 😂 | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 00:45 - Jul 28 with 1444 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 16:40 - Jul 27 by Reuser_is_God |
Kevin Foley against Forest a few years back was better than anything we’ve seen from a Skuse. |
Foley kept it so simple that game, give and go lovely triangles. I'm not Skuse sceptic but I find him frustrating, too often he'll play a lovely ball and then hold his line when a 10 yard run would have potentially opened things up. |  | | |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 07:54 - Jul 28 with 1315 views | Keaneish |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 00:45 - Jul 28 by StNeotsBlue |
Foley kept it so simple that game, give and go lovely triangles. I'm not Skuse sceptic but I find him frustrating, too often he'll play a lovely ball and then hold his line when a 10 yard run would have potentially opened things up. |
Skuse has been too pedestrian for many a season now and it’s a debate that’s raged on here for years. Has good qualities but never quite managed to hit the heights to take us and his game to the next level. The drive and determination Downes showed today with his strength and quality are what we’ve needed from a CM / DM for years. Great desire and tenacity which hopefully will set the tone in many games to come. |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 07:59 - Jul 28 with 1309 views | textbackup |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 18:27 - Jul 27 by Bluefish |
A bit desperate that mate |
im a skuse fan, but I wondered if there was more than just a tackle and a sideways pass.
that's all | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 08:00 - Jul 28 with 1308 views | textbackup |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:04 - Jul 27 by Darth_Koont |
Of course. But a proper headbutt is GBH. A little ding is still unacceptable which is where you discipline the player, because even the usual footballer head-rubbing is just stupid.
Depends on the incident. But I'm not happy sweeping a "full-on headbutt" under the rug. |
didn't even draw blood you ponce | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 08:09 - Jul 28 with 1284 views | artsbossbeard |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 07:54 - Jul 28 by Keaneish |
Skuse has been too pedestrian for many a season now and it’s a debate that’s raged on here for years. Has good qualities but never quite managed to hit the heights to take us and his game to the next level. The drive and determination Downes showed today with his strength and quality are what we’ve needed from a CM / DM for years. Great desire and tenacity which hopefully will set the tone in many games to come. |
"raged". |  |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 08:09 - Jul 28 with 1286 views | Keaneish |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 19:04 - Jul 27 by Darth_Koont |
Of course. But a proper headbutt is GBH. A little ding is still unacceptable which is where you discipline the player, because even the usual footballer head-rubbing is just stupid.
Depends on the incident. But I'm not happy sweeping a "full-on headbutt" under the rug. |
Its funny the reaction it draws in football though whereas in Rugby it's deemed completely acceptable. Any dangerous behaviour puts 'gentlemen' in the sin bin but in football it gives 'thugs' multiple game ban in football.
Think its time to realise they're bth competitive contact sports played by passionate platers with ambition and human emotion and to to put them on a level playing field irrelevant of the type of contact the sport dictates. | |
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| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 08:11 - Jul 28 with 1275 views | Bluefish |
| Before the incident, Downes was by far and away our best midfielder on 07:59 - Jul 28 by textbackup |
im a skuse fan, but I wondered if there was more than just a tackle and a sideways pass.
that's all |
Skuse does (can do) so much more than that, he reads the game beautifully, he wins in the air and he takes the ball on in the tightest of areas. Yes he could look to do more with it at times but he is a very very good player. I sometimes think he plays it safe because he realises that his team mates are just not comfortable under pressure. He is far better with Bishop next to him (or would be with Huws and Judge) because they are also happy to take the ball under pressure and can buy time on it. He also has a superb timing and technique despite the lack of goal return. | |
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