| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June 06:15 - May 22 with 2810 views | ElderGrizzly |
I’ve been debating this with Mr Calder and a few others over the last week and it is the right policy, but with no surprise, the Govt has got it woefully wrong on timing.
For a Quarantine like this to work, you need cases to be in the low 100s in reality, so you either do it early before a pandemic takes hold or do it late on to allow in-country restrictions to be eased.
We are doing neither of those 🙄 |  | | |  |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:23 - May 22 with 2713 views | le2blue |
...but, but, "we're guided by the science" 🤷ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸ |  | | |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:25 - May 22 with 2713 views | bluelagos |
So many questions on this one...
(Selfish ones as am hoping to get to Spain in Sept).
Likely to still be in place then? Any exemptions (France? Spain? Ireland?)
Enforeceable? |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:34 - May 22 with 2686 views | NewcyBlue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:25 - May 22 by bluelagos |
So many questions on this one...
(Selfish ones as am hoping to get to Spain in Sept).
Likely to still be in place then? Any exemptions (France? Spain? Ireland?)
Enforeceable? |
Exemptions? Seafarers mate. That’s def info. |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:52 - May 22 with 2666 views | bluelagos |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:34 - May 22 by NewcyBlue |
Exemptions? Seafarers mate. That’s def info. |
I know I am a cynic, but this is going to spiral isnt it?
1. It will be distrastrous for the holiday companies.
2. It will kill off foreign tourism.
3. How will it be implemented? If I quaranteen is it like lockdown, can shop and exercise?
4. The idea that the police will be knocking on doors. And you are out at the shops?....So what happens?
5. It is only 3 months too late if we wish to stop the spread properly.
6. Wtf haven't we been screening visitors? I was screened (temp tested) on all journeys in Nigeria in Feb ffs.
Typical knee jerk reaction that is too late to be effective and will be damaging and the very time the govt is seeking to relax the lockdown.
Also wondering about Ireland. Are they going to check origin of travel? Go to France, ferry to Ireland, drive to Dublin, ferry home. Suspect those routes might get busy... | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:00 - May 22 with 2658 views | NewcyBlue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:52 - May 22 by bluelagos |
I know I am a cynic, but this is going to spiral isnt it?
1. It will be distrastrous for the holiday companies.
2. It will kill off foreign tourism.
3. How will it be implemented? If I quaranteen is it like lockdown, can shop and exercise?
4. The idea that the police will be knocking on doors. And you are out at the shops?....So what happens?
5. It is only 3 months too late if we wish to stop the spread properly.
6. Wtf haven't we been screening visitors? I was screened (temp tested) on all journeys in Nigeria in Feb ffs.
Typical knee jerk reaction that is too late to be effective and will be damaging and the very time the govt is seeking to relax the lockdown.
Also wondering about Ireland. Are they going to check origin of travel? Go to France, ferry to Ireland, drive to Dublin, ferry home. Suspect those routes might get busy... |
Who knows mate.
I imagine it will be as well enforced as this supposed lockdown. Half arsed. | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:12 - May 22 with 2646 views | TractorWood |
Would have been exceptionally sensible in late February. Utterly ridiculous to do it now. Will take a huge proportion of police time to attempt to enforce this or is common sense policing this too? |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:19 - May 22 with 2639 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:52 - May 22 by bluelagos |
I know I am a cynic, but this is going to spiral isnt it?
1. It will be distrastrous for the holiday companies.
2. It will kill off foreign tourism.
3. How will it be implemented? If I quaranteen is it like lockdown, can shop and exercise?
4. The idea that the police will be knocking on doors. And you are out at the shops?....So what happens?
5. It is only 3 months too late if we wish to stop the spread properly.
6. Wtf haven't we been screening visitors? I was screened (temp tested) on all journeys in Nigeria in Feb ffs.
Typical knee jerk reaction that is too late to be effective and will be damaging and the very time the govt is seeking to relax the lockdown.
Also wondering about Ireland. Are they going to check origin of travel? Go to France, ferry to Ireland, drive to Dublin, ferry home. Suspect those routes might get busy... |
Must admit I'm confused as hell. It's out of step with the lockdown activity, which seems utterly pointless. If you need to lock down in entirety then do it in entirety. Seems a bit strange to begin to relax the lockdown and then start to think about quarantining international arrivals. At a time when other countries are getting on top of their infections too, so the risk of infected people coming in wil be getting lower.
And then there are the loopholes, vaguely defined exceptions and almost impossible task of policing this, making it likely to fail anyway.
Maybe there's a perfectly logical reason for starting to look at this over the summer and for the way they're going about it. I don't know what those reasons are though. Seems out of kilter with what other successful countries have done too.
Yours,
Confused |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:20 - May 22 with 2640 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 08:52 - May 22 by bluelagos |
I know I am a cynic, but this is going to spiral isnt it?
1. It will be distrastrous for the holiday companies.
2. It will kill off foreign tourism.
3. How will it be implemented? If I quaranteen is it like lockdown, can shop and exercise?
4. The idea that the police will be knocking on doors. And you are out at the shops?....So what happens?
5. It is only 3 months too late if we wish to stop the spread properly.
6. Wtf haven't we been screening visitors? I was screened (temp tested) on all journeys in Nigeria in Feb ffs.
Typical knee jerk reaction that is too late to be effective and will be damaging and the very time the govt is seeking to relax the lockdown.
Also wondering about Ireland. Are they going to check origin of travel? Go to France, ferry to Ireland, drive to Dublin, ferry home. Suspect those routes might get busy... |
Yes, it will kill pretty much any travel in or out if the UK and is likely to be 3 weeks initially, before it is loosened, but not removed entirely.
Quarantine rules are much stricter than lockdown. It is don’t leave the address at all, with £1,000 fines if you do. There was talk of using phone tracing to help police it, as well as regular PC Plod.
It is 3 months late for one scenario, but also too early for the other. You need very low cases for it to be effective.
A clusterf*ck | | | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:25 - May 22 with 2635 views | JakeITFC |
Marina Hyde summed it up quite nicely last week:
"Take the plan to require international arrivals to the UK to quarantine for 14 days, which will start not even now, but at some unspecified point, soonish. This feels not so much like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, as allowing the horse to bolt, then turning to your wife a couple of months later and saying, “Tell you what might look nice: a stable. Let’s get some plans drawn up. I feel like a door might be an idea? We could put it over there — where that horse we used to have used to be.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/12/civic-duty-prime-minister- |  | | |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:27 - May 22 with 2625 views | NewcyBlue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:20 - May 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Yes, it will kill pretty much any travel in or out if the UK and is likely to be 3 weeks initially, before it is loosened, but not removed entirely.
Quarantine rules are much stricter than lockdown. It is don’t leave the address at all, with £1,000 fines if you do. There was talk of using phone tracing to help police it, as well as regular PC Plod.
It is 3 months late for one scenario, but also too early for the other. You need very low cases for it to be effective.
A clusterf*ck |
Leave your phone at home? | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:30 - May 22 with 2622 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:20 - May 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Yes, it will kill pretty much any travel in or out if the UK and is likely to be 3 weeks initially, before it is loosened, but not removed entirely.
Quarantine rules are much stricter than lockdown. It is don’t leave the address at all, with £1,000 fines if you do. There was talk of using phone tracing to help police it, as well as regular PC Plod.
It is 3 months late for one scenario, but also too early for the other. You need very low cases for it to be effective.
A clusterf*ck |
Does anyone seriously think the police are going to check up on the addresses given by people arriving at ports of entry? There are about 3 million overseas visitors a month normally, and millions more returning UK residents. Each police officer in the UK would have tens of individuals to be continually keeping tabs on. Not going to happen. | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:39 - May 22 with 2612 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:30 - May 22 by Swansea_Blue |
Does anyone seriously think the police are going to check up on the addresses given by people arriving at ports of entry? There are about 3 million overseas visitors a month normally, and millions more returning UK residents. Each police officer in the UK would have tens of individuals to be continually keeping tabs on. Not going to happen. |
Right now it is about 15,000 a week into Heathrow which is something like 97% down on normal and that number will reduce even more if this comes in.
As I said, they are looking how they can use tech to support it too.
The reality is they will appeal to people to be honest (i know!) and not want to risk spreading anything and causing a further tightening of the lockdown.
The whole thing is a farce though. We were briefed before Bojo’s speech that it included all modes of travel, he then spoke to Macron off his own back and promised he’d exclude Ferrys and Eurostar. This was then retracted 72 hours later again.
China have done something similar for the last month, but they outright banned any foreigners from coming while Chinese citizens were subject to quarantine. They’ve had nearly zero imported cases since.
Right policy, wrong timing and managed by a bunch of morons. | | | |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:40 - May 22 with 2610 views | Fixed_It |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:27 - May 22 by NewcyBlue |
Leave your phone at home? |
You, sir, are a criminal genius!  |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:43 - May 22 with 2603 views | NewcyBlue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:40 - May 22 by Fixed_It |
You, sir, are a criminal genius! |
I’m ready for that bank job whenever you are! | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:55 - May 22 with 2584 views | factual_blue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:25 - May 22 by JakeITFC |
Marina Hyde summed it up quite nicely last week:
"Take the plan to require international arrivals to the UK to quarantine for 14 days, which will start not even now, but at some unspecified point, soonish. This feels not so much like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, as allowing the horse to bolt, then turning to your wife a couple of months later and saying, “Tell you what might look nice: a stable. Let’s get some plans drawn up. I feel like a door might be an idea? We could put it over there — where that horse we used to have used to be.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/12/civic-duty-prime-minister- |
Ah, but we're following the science, so it will all be fine. |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 10:20 - May 22 with 2552 views | BlueBadger |
A well known phrase involving horses and stable doors springs to mind here. |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 10:43 - May 22 with 2535 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 10:20 - May 22 by BlueBadger |
A well known phrase involving horses and stable doors springs to mind here. |
Nouble is a horse and can't hit a stable door from 6 yards? | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 11:08 - May 22 with 2514 views | TractorWood |
''You miss one universal credit meeting and your benefits are stopped; you miss five Cobra meetings and you get to address the nation on its working responsibilities from a drawing room so vast you’d need a hansom cab to traverse it''.
She is an exceptional writer but she really struggles to not come across vindictive.
For me, I just don't know why Boris is in serious politics. He has a horrendously complicated private life, he's not naturally a leader or a particularly strong public speaker. He can't be bothered to attend meetings. I think he just sees the political establishment as an exaggerated Eton and he's head boy. | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 11:09 - May 22 with 2509 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:39 - May 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Right now it is about 15,000 a week into Heathrow which is something like 97% down on normal and that number will reduce even more if this comes in.
As I said, they are looking how they can use tech to support it too.
The reality is they will appeal to people to be honest (i know!) and not want to risk spreading anything and causing a further tightening of the lockdown.
The whole thing is a farce though. We were briefed before Bojo’s speech that it included all modes of travel, he then spoke to Macron off his own back and promised he’d exclude Ferrys and Eurostar. This was then retracted 72 hours later again.
China have done something similar for the last month, but they outright banned any foreigners from coming while Chinese citizens were subject to quarantine. They’ve had nearly zero imported cases since.
Right policy, wrong timing and managed by a bunch of morons. |
Yes, i suppose numbers will be well down. It does seem like a farce to me - I can't get my head around the timing at all. | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 11:11 - May 22 with 2495 views | Bluefish |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:43 - May 22 by NewcyBlue |
I’m ready for that bank job whenever you are! |
on my way
Oh! You said bank..! |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 11:19 - May 22 with 2483 views | WeWereZombies |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 09:43 - May 22 by NewcyBlue |
I’m ready for that bank job whenever you are! |
Or you could just make a pitch to Hollywood for the first heist movie where the getaway driver is in a container ship. |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 12:19 - May 22 with 2442 views | NewcyBlue |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 11:11 - May 22 by Bluefish |
on my way
Oh! You said bank..! |
I’ve seen the way you look at me... | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 12:42 - May 22 with 2429 views | Darth_Koont |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 11:19 - May 22 by WeWereZombies |
Or you could just make a pitch to Hollywood for the first heist movie where the getaway driver is in a container ship. |
Gone in 60 Years? |  |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 12:54 - May 22 with 2407 views | WeWereZombies |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 12:42 - May 22 by Darth_Koont |
Gone in 60 Years? |
I don't think it would take that long, but the scenes where the getaway vehicle rams the handbrake on and does a 180 could be a bit dull... | |
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| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 13:05 - May 22 with 2397 views | BlueBadger |
| Quarantine for most arrivals to UK likely to start 1st June on 11:08 - May 22 by TractorWood |
''You miss one universal credit meeting and your benefits are stopped; you miss five Cobra meetings and you get to address the nation on its working responsibilities from a drawing room so vast you’d need a hansom cab to traverse it''.
She is an exceptional writer but she really struggles to not come across vindictive.
For me, I just don't know why Boris is in serious politics. He has a horrendously complicated private life, he's not naturally a leader or a particularly strong public speaker. He can't be bothered to attend meetings. I think he just sees the political establishment as an exaggerated Eton and he's head boy. |
It's because the public are stupid, the media are either incompetent or sycophantic and he's bankrolled by billionaire sociopaths. | |
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