| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC 09:16 - May 13 with 1008 views | Bluefish |
I would rather support an average club with home grown players than a top club full of brought in players with no connections at all
I've said before about not wanting something like Wolves or many other Premier League teams. Ipswich Town were 2nd when I started and nearly always have been. I just want a club I can feel connected to and be proud of with us needing to be the biggest spenders or most successful |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:20 - May 13 with 952 views | portmanking |
I just don't understand where this mentality has appeared from.
As I said in a previous post, the promotion winning squad of 2000 had just two regulars from the Suffolk area (Scowy and Wright). Were we clamouring for Burley to blood more then or were we happy with the likes of Magilton, Stewart, Holland, Johnson and Mowbray coming in and doing a good job? I'd argue the latter.
If Cook brings in good, honest, talented players that crucially DELIVER, this whole saga will look utterly ridiculous. |  | | |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:24 - May 13 with 921 views | chrismakin |
It's important Academy players see a route to the first team
However we cant rely on a group of youth as much as we have there needs to be a certain level of player to get that first team spot not just the best of the current crop.
Supporting a league team especially ipswich is getting as high as you can and that is by building the strongest team available
I dont want to see a squad of 25 players with 0 academy players. But can understand not wanting 6 in a starting 11 who havent stepped up to the level required |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:28 - May 13 with 896 views | itfcjoe |
Yep, it's "more than a club" to me, and feel especially important being locally based.
I love the buzz of a young player coming through, to just discard all that is sad and not something I can get behind.
Guess we'll see how it plays out from here |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:34 - May 13 with 835 views | HighgateBlue |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:20 - May 13 by portmanking |
I just don't understand where this mentality has appeared from.
As I said in a previous post, the promotion winning squad of 2000 had just two regulars from the Suffolk area (Scowy and Wright). Were we clamouring for Burley to blood more then or were we happy with the likes of Magilton, Stewart, Holland, Johnson and Mowbray coming in and doing a good job? I'd argue the latter.
If Cook brings in good, honest, talented players that crucially DELIVER, this whole saga will look utterly ridiculous. |
I tend to agree. But I think we can all agree that, because we haven't been able to rely on spending our way out of trouble for the last decade or so, it has been a real shame that the relatively inexpensive route (homegrown youngsters) has not provided quite the fruits that we had hoped. Maybe the likes of Woolfy, Downes, Dozzell, Lankester, Teddy, Dobra, El Miz et al will come good. But the last two years have been so bad that when we've all been compiling our lists of which players to keep, most on here haven't really been that fussed whether most of them stay or not. They are certainly not living up to their early billing. it looks crazy for example that Palace were supposedly interested in Downes, based on what he's achieved this year.
But anyhoo, most of the youngsters are staying, and I'm pleased about that - let's support the lads and hope that the right formula emerges. A few £ will enable our youngsters to learn from more established talents, and as we saw from Liverpool's U18s, that can be a powerful tool. |  | | |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:39 - May 13 with 796 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Understand that, but we are an average club of home grown players whilst people are also trotting out we should not be where we are etc. The reality is and has been for some time that our youngsters have not proven themselves when stepping up. We do seem to have a good crop of U18s/U23s, and will admit, I am surprised that Dobra is on the "to go" pile - but how many more times do we give Doz and Kenlock a chance? Two years in League one now - Doz has 1 assist and no goals in 43 games, and is an attacking player.
We either need to spend to bring in top players, or be content with waiting in the lower leagues and see if we get a good academy crop. We can't do both at the same time until we get re-established and have better facilities etc. |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:43 - May 13 with 757 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:20 - May 13 by portmanking |
I just don't understand where this mentality has appeared from.
As I said in a previous post, the promotion winning squad of 2000 had just two regulars from the Suffolk area (Scowy and Wright). Were we clamouring for Burley to blood more then or were we happy with the likes of Magilton, Stewart, Holland, Johnson and Mowbray coming in and doing a good job? I'd argue the latter.
If Cook brings in good, honest, talented players that crucially DELIVER, this whole saga will look utterly ridiculous. |
I don't recall a clamouring for more home grown players back then, but then there were fewer voices as social media was so new. We were certainly pleased that we had players like Wright coming through and took some pride that one of the most promising keepers in England had come through our ranks. But that didn't seem to extend to compliants that there weren't more.
I think you're right. Disatisfaction has become the norm and a little bit of success will change things pretty quickly. It doesn't take long for players to become part of the furniture if their face fits. Reuser took his debut to become a favourite. People underestimate how infrequently academy players break through too - some academies have had a great record at certain periods (e.g. S'ton),but for most teams you're only looking at one or two home growns in the squad at any one time. |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:45 - May 13 with 738 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:20 - May 13 by portmanking |
I just don't understand where this mentality has appeared from.
As I said in a previous post, the promotion winning squad of 2000 had just two regulars from the Suffolk area (Scowy and Wright). Were we clamouring for Burley to blood more then or were we happy with the likes of Magilton, Stewart, Holland, Johnson and Mowbray coming in and doing a good job? I'd argue the latter.
If Cook brings in good, honest, talented players that crucially DELIVER, this whole saga will look utterly ridiculous. |
I'd add Dyer into that equation. His performances and subsequent sale facilitated the likes of Stewart arriving in the promotion season.
But the point is valid. There is massive bias towards our home grown talent. If Dozzell and Bishop were not academy players, I believe people would treat them like Edwards and Huws. (Awaits downvotes and toys thrown out of prams).
Add to that some of our best academy talent has been taken by the bigger clubs.
Dobra, I'd be upset about. I think he has a lot to offer and shows good work ethic. The whole, I'll win my place attitude.
Dozzell, Bishop and Lankester I'd not be fussed either way.
Downes is great, and I would be disappointed. But as Sitters said, he doesn't even want to be here. So why should/ would we build a team with him at the spine? [Post edited 13 May 2021 9:49]
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:46 - May 13 with 739 views | portmanking |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:28 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Yep, it's "more than a club" to me, and feel especially important being locally based.
I love the buzz of a young player coming through, to just discard all that is sad and not something I can get behind.
Guess we'll see how it plays out from here |
It's 'more than a club' to most of us, Joe.
When the club does well, the town/county thrives too.
I fail to see how we're 'discarding all that' when Cook and the new owners have already voiced the importance of the Academy going forward. | | | |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:49 - May 13 with 701 views | TractorCam |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:45 - May 13 by Kropotkin123 |
I'd add Dyer into that equation. His performances and subsequent sale facilitated the likes of Stewart arriving in the promotion season.
But the point is valid. There is massive bias towards our home grown talent. If Dozzell and Bishop were not academy players, I believe people would treat them like Edwards and Huws. (Awaits downvotes and toys thrown out of prams).
Add to that some of our best academy talent has been taken by the bigger clubs.
Dobra, I'd be upset about. I think he has a lot to offer and shows good work ethic. The whole, I'll win my place attitude.
Dozzell, Bishop and Lankester I'd not be fussed either way.
Downes is great, and I would be disappointed. But as Sitters said, he doesn't even want to be here. So why should/ would we build a team with him at the spine? [Post edited 13 May 2021 9:49]
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You are right, in Bishop's case he is 25 next month! Dozzell has played 100 games for us as well, they ain't like Dobra/Lankester who I hope we don't see leave this summer.
Of course we'll have other players knocking on the door like Baggott. |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:49 - May 13 with 700 views | PositivelyPortman |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:28 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Yep, it's "more than a club" to me, and feel especially important being locally based.
I love the buzz of a young player coming through, to just discard all that is sad and not something I can get behind.
Guess we'll see how it plays out from here |
If it was a Wark, Beattie, Burley, Whymark, Dyer, Bramble etc type of player coming through, then I’d agree with you. They went into Robson’s teams and shone like diamonds instantly.
This lot have had a few years and still haven’t made any real impact at all - even in League 1. |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:52 - May 13 with 678 views | itfcjoe |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:46 - May 13 by portmanking |
It's 'more than a club' to most of us, Joe.
When the club does well, the town/county thrives too.
I fail to see how we're 'discarding all that' when Cook and the new owners have already voiced the importance of the Academy going forward. |
With regards to final paragraph - surely it is saying one thing and doing the other? | |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:53 - May 13 with 658 views | SaigonTractor |
You must have absolutely loved the last 3 seasons then? |  | | |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:56 - May 13 with 615 views | portmanking |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:52 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
With regards to final paragraph - surely it is saying one thing and doing the other? |
Why? Because we're considering selling a few that haven't hit the heights expected? From what I gather (and I'm sure you're more aware than me) the U16 and U18 teams are genuinely exciting and have real potential. Why block their progression with the likes of Bishop, Lankester, Kenlock (and Downes who clearly sees his future elsewhere?)
Dobra is a shame, but equally if there's a part of him that also sees his future elsewhere then why persist? | | | |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:56 - May 13 with 619 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:28 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Yep, it's "more than a club" to me, and feel especially important being locally based.
I love the buzz of a young player coming through, to just discard all that is sad and not something I can get behind.
Guess we'll see how it plays out from here |
Have we closed the academy? Or have we just said that we’d listen to offers for a bunch of players that have failed (twice) to get us out of League 1? |  |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:57 - May 13 with 596 views | chrismakin |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:52 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
With regards to final paragraph - surely it is saying one thing and doing the other? |
Why because the doors open for recent players to leave? No it just means they have failed to impress or it is indeed a test to find out who wants to be here
Downes for example. Great player. But seems desperate to leave. | |
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| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:58 - May 13 with 574 views | bluefunk |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:52 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
With regards to final paragraph - surely it is saying one thing and doing the other? |
If we keep those who have been part of two seasons of utter mediocrity then how will those currently in the academy ever get their chance? Woolfenden, for example, is blocking Ndaba and Baggott, the midfielders are blocking Gibbs.
If we were ditching the academy wholesale (for a Brentford approach then I could see why this is such a big deal but clearing out players who have demonstrably failed doesn’t seem to me anything to get too upset about |  | | |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:59 - May 13 with 570 views | RegencyBlue |
| Academy players matter to me, it is a part of supporting ITFC on 09:56 - May 13 by Reuser_is_God |
Have we closed the academy? Or have we just said that we’d listen to offers for a bunch of players that have failed (twice) to get us out of League 1? |
And who got us relegated from the Championship in the first place! |  | | |
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