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R.I.P. Colin Powell 13:32 - Oct 18 with 3792 viewsRyorry

Sad news - one of the USA's good guys.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/politics/colin-powell-dead.html

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 13:53 - Oct 18 with 3535 viewsDubtractor

Not sure I'd call him a good guy given his role in the Iraq war, but obviously sad he has died regardless.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 13:56 - Oct 18 with 3524 viewshype313

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 13:53 - Oct 18 by Dubtractor

Not sure I'd call him a good guy given his role in the Iraq war, but obviously sad he has died regardless.


Yeah, I think one of the good guys is a bit of a stretch....

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 14:02 - Oct 18 with 3492 viewschicoazul

Good guy


What?

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 14:04 - Oct 18 with 3482 viewsBlueschev

I'm sure there are are hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis who may disagree with you.
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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 14:48 - Oct 18 with 3425 viewsRyorry

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 13:56 - Oct 18 by hype313

Yeah, I think one of the good guys is a bit of a stretch....


Well, I happen to think redemption is possible & allowable for people decades later -

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/10/colin-powell-no-longer-republ

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 14:55 - Oct 18 with 3412 viewshype313

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 14:48 - Oct 18 by Ryorry

Well, I happen to think redemption is possible & allowable for people decades later -

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/10/colin-powell-no-longer-republ


I think if I was a family member of a soldier that was killed, both US and Iraqi by the lies, then that wouldn't give me much comfort, to be frank.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 15:05 - Oct 18 with 3395 viewsRyorry

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 14:55 - Oct 18 by hype313

I think if I was a family member of a soldier that was killed, both US and Iraqi by the lies, then that wouldn't give me much comfort, to be frank.


I do understand, but am not going to judge anyone for one tragic error in a long & full life, plus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/magazine/colin-powell-iraq-war.html

You have to sign up to read that, but only takes a min & is initially free.

Edit: You're only allowed a free read of 1 article.

[Phil Edit]Have removed text, not really fair on copyright owners to post full text like that[/Phil Edit]

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 19:44 - Oct 18 with 3218 viewsazuremerlangus

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 15:05 - Oct 18 by Ryorry

I do understand, but am not going to judge anyone for one tragic error in a long & full life, plus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/magazine/colin-powell-iraq-war.html

You have to sign up to read that, but only takes a min & is initially free.

Edit: You're only allowed a free read of 1 article.

[Phil Edit]Have removed text, not really fair on copyright owners to post full text like that[/Phil Edit]

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This post is far too brief…

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 19:47 - Oct 18 with 3207 viewswkj

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 15:05 - Oct 18 by Ryorry

I do understand, but am not going to judge anyone for one tragic error in a long & full life, plus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/magazine/colin-powell-iraq-war.html

You have to sign up to read that, but only takes a min & is initially free.

Edit: You're only allowed a free read of 1 article.

[Phil Edit]Have removed text, not really fair on copyright owners to post full text like that[/Phil Edit]

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best. twitter. post. ever.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 19:54 - Oct 18 with 3196 viewsChurchman

He always struck me as extremely able at any role he undertook. Ok it’s a narrow perspective, but when I think of some of the clowns of recent years and now, unlike the, he’s somebody I’d like to have met.
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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 20:32 - Oct 18 with 3167 viewsRyorry

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 19:47 - Oct 18 by wkj

best. twitter. post. ever.


Edit - hadn't seen /Azuremerlangus' post when I replied 😂

I'll put myself up for the whoosh then

Still worth reading if people can find the time - fascinating stuff, & no surprise to read of the CIA manipulation.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 20:41 - Oct 18 with 3148 viewswkj

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 20:32 - Oct 18 by Ryorry

Edit - hadn't seen /Azuremerlangus' post when I replied 😂

I'll put myself up for the whoosh then

Still worth reading if people can find the time - fascinating stuff, & no surprise to read of the CIA manipulation.

[Post edited 18 Oct 2021 20:41]


No, I was just in awe of the idea that if everyone replied to your post that we might be able to break TWTD.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 20:45 - Oct 18 with 3140 viewsRyorry

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 20:41 - Oct 18 by wkj

No, I was just in awe of the idea that if everyone replied to your post that we might be able to break TWTD.


Might possibly have been better if you'd saved that attempt for 10pm tomorrow ...

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 21:26 - Oct 18 with 3103 viewsIpswichKnight

Related by marriage to him, wife’s aunt is his cousin.
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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 23:08 - Oct 18 with 3023 viewsDinDjarin

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 15:05 - Oct 18 by Ryorry

I do understand, but am not going to judge anyone for one tragic error in a long & full life, plus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/magazine/colin-powell-iraq-war.html

You have to sign up to read that, but only takes a min & is initially free.

Edit: You're only allowed a free read of 1 article.

[Phil Edit]Have removed text, not really fair on copyright owners to post full text like that[/Phil Edit]

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i got as far as "I do understand" and zoned out
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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 23:59 - Oct 18 with 2966 viewsmutters

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 15:05 - Oct 18 by Ryorry

I do understand, but am not going to judge anyone for one tragic error in a long & full life, plus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/magazine/colin-powell-iraq-war.html

You have to sign up to read that, but only takes a min & is initially free.

Edit: You're only allowed a free read of 1 article.

[Phil Edit]Have removed text, not really fair on copyright owners to post full text like that[/Phil Edit]

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Some valid points, any chance you could expand a bit on them?

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 00:29 - Oct 19 with 2952 viewsRyorry

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 23:59 - Oct 18 by mutters

Some valid points, any chance you could expand a bit on them?


My dear Mutters, you're a true TWTD treasure 😂

My apologies to anyone who's developed RSI as a result of scrolling this thread :(

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 01:13 - Oct 19 with 2925 viewsEireannach_gorm

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 15:05 - Oct 18 by Ryorry

I do understand, but am not going to judge anyone for one tragic error in a long & full life, plus

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/magazine/colin-powell-iraq-war.html

You have to sign up to read that, but only takes a min & is initially free.

Edit: You're only allowed a free read of 1 article.

[Phil Edit]Have removed text, not really fair on copyright owners to post full text like that[/Phil Edit]

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Can you give us an equally long rebuttal of this......

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/colin-powells-vietnam-fog/
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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 08:04 - Oct 19 with 2839 viewsElderGrizzly

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 13:53 - Oct 18 by Dubtractor

Not sure I'd call him a good guy given his role in the Iraq war, but obviously sad he has died regardless.


John Simpson put it well.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 09:22 - Oct 19 with 2789 viewsEdwardStone

One bit I really don't understand in the long screed.....

What exactly do you mean by "Meet Me in My Office, in Men's Underwear on 5" ??
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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 09:24 - Oct 19 with 2784 viewsHerbivore

Just to add you should remove that NY Times article. You can't copy and paste entire articles even if you cite the source, it's copyright infringement and can cause trouble for Phil. Using small quotes from copyrighted material is fine as it falls under fair use, a whole article (even whole paragraphs) is a different story.

Edit - I've flagged it as abuse, not because it's abusive, but so Phil and Gav are aware and can remove it if they're on before Ryorry.
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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 10:20 - Oct 19 with 2725 viewsRyorry

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 09:24 - Oct 19 by Herbivore

Just to add you should remove that NY Times article. You can't copy and paste entire articles even if you cite the source, it's copyright infringement and can cause trouble for Phil. Using small quotes from copyrighted material is fine as it falls under fair use, a whole article (even whole paragraphs) is a different story.

Edit - I've flagged it as abuse, not because it's abusive, but so Phil and Gav are aware and can remove it if they're on before Ryorry.
[Post edited 19 Oct 2021 9:26]


Oh right, genuinely wasn't aware of that, I see Phil has now edited it out so my apols to him, Gav, the NYT, & I'll remember for future. I'm sure anyone with RSI will be grateful too.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 10:22 - Oct 19 with 2717 viewsHerbivore

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 10:20 - Oct 19 by Ryorry

Oh right, genuinely wasn't aware of that, I see Phil has now edited it out so my apols to him, Gav, the NYT, & I'll remember for future. I'm sure anyone with RSI will be grateful too.


Not everyone is aware to be fair. I have to be aware of copyright as part of my work so it's something I know a bit about. Much as it's unlikely the NYT lawyers are trawling third division soccer team fan sites, it's better to be safe than sorry.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 10:30 - Oct 19 with 2704 viewsRyorry

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 01:13 - Oct 19 by Eireannach_gorm

Can you give us an equally long rebuttal of this......

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/colin-powells-vietnam-fog/


Given that's an article written over 20 years ago that you've dragged up on an R.I.P. thread re an autobiography written over 25 years ago about events over 50 years ago when Powell was a young officer in his 20s who is no longer around to defend himself (and witnesses, again poss incl. CIA, will also either no longer be around, or are in their 80s) - no.

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R.I.P. Colin Powell on 10:40 - Oct 19 with 2692 viewsEireannach_gorm

R.I.P. Colin Powell on 10:30 - Oct 19 by Ryorry

Given that's an article written over 20 years ago that you've dragged up on an R.I.P. thread re an autobiography written over 25 years ago about events over 50 years ago when Powell was a young officer in his 20s who is no longer around to defend himself (and witnesses, again poss incl. CIA, will also either no longer be around, or are in their 80s) - no.


I won't bother to cut & paste.

https://thecolgatemaroonnews.com/10337/news/questioning-colin-powell/

So not a great man but had a great career.
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