| Barton on thin ice (again) on 19:18 - Oct 24 with 2303 views | Oldboy |
Useless manager and a poor excuse of a man. Get him gone. |  | |  |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 19:30 - Oct 24 with 2221 views | J2BLUE |
How does someone even go there? It's far from a natural saying. You really need to reach for it. |  |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 19:41 - Oct 24 with 2098 views | tractordownsouth |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:16 - Oct 25 with 1457 views | GeoffSentence |
His use of language and people's objections to it is very nteresting. He used the term 'A holocaust' which is a general term meaning desth and slaughter on a wide scale, rather than 'The Holocaust' which has a particular meaning and refers to one especially sinister historical event.
From a linguistic point of view I wonder ff this indicates a shift in usage towards 'holocaust' only referring the mass murder of Jews during the second world war, and whether that only applies to the unqualified term, or whether phrases like 'nuclear holocaust' , which used to be common, should now be considered antiquated, or if they are still OK, f he had used 'a football holocaust' whether that would be considered unobjectionable. |  |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:24 - Oct 25 with 1423 views | noggin |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:16 - Oct 25 by GeoffSentence |
His use of language and people's objections to it is very nteresting. He used the term 'A holocaust' which is a general term meaning desth and slaughter on a wide scale, rather than 'The Holocaust' which has a particular meaning and refers to one especially sinister historical event.
From a linguistic point of view I wonder ff this indicates a shift in usage towards 'holocaust' only referring the mass murder of Jews during the second world war, and whether that only applies to the unqualified term, or whether phrases like 'nuclear holocaust' , which used to be common, should now be considered antiquated, or if they are still OK, f he had used 'a football holocaust' whether that would be considered unobjectionable. |
Definition.. a great or complete devastation or destruction, especially by fire. |  |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:27 - Oct 25 with 1399 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:16 - Oct 25 by GeoffSentence |
His use of language and people's objections to it is very nteresting. He used the term 'A holocaust' which is a general term meaning desth and slaughter on a wide scale, rather than 'The Holocaust' which has a particular meaning and refers to one especially sinister historical event.
From a linguistic point of view I wonder ff this indicates a shift in usage towards 'holocaust' only referring the mass murder of Jews during the second world war, and whether that only applies to the unqualified term, or whether phrases like 'nuclear holocaust' , which used to be common, should now be considered antiquated, or if they are still OK, f he had used 'a football holocaust' whether that would be considered unobjectionable. |
The word ‘holocaust’ obviously predates ‘THE HOLOCAUST’. But the word has become uniquely associated with the slaughter of six million Jews and the attempt by the Nazis to exterminate the Jewish people.
It’s a word, when used, that causes considerable distress to Jewish people. It’s a word that should be avoided to describe something. Especially something as trivial as a football match.
Joey Barton portrays himself as an educated and articulate person. A deep thinker. He should know better. [Post edited 25 Oct 2021 8:28]
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:33 - Oct 25 with 1352 views | wkj |
It astounds me that Joey Barton still has a career in the public eye when you consider the fact that this is one of his tamer arsehole moves.
Tamer not to be confused with tame. |  |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:38 - Oct 25 with 1325 views | Darth_Koont |
It’s the wrong word – we’re talking about football.
But it’s been used before as the “worst possible thing” when people talk about a nuclear holocaust or a natural holocaust.
He should correct it and we should all move on. |  |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:43 - Oct 25 with 1265 views | Hipsterectomy |
For all the Joey Barton things, this is pretty low down and likely just a misuse of the word.
edit - removed cause i think the court case is ongoing [Post edited 25 Oct 2021 8:45]
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 09:20 - Oct 25 with 1095 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Remember when people wanted him here? Those were some dark days. |  |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 10:20 - Oct 25 with 975 views | HighgateBlue |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 08:16 - Oct 25 by GeoffSentence |
His use of language and people's objections to it is very nteresting. He used the term 'A holocaust' which is a general term meaning desth and slaughter on a wide scale, rather than 'The Holocaust' which has a particular meaning and refers to one especially sinister historical event.
From a linguistic point of view I wonder ff this indicates a shift in usage towards 'holocaust' only referring the mass murder of Jews during the second world war, and whether that only applies to the unqualified term, or whether phrases like 'nuclear holocaust' , which used to be common, should now be considered antiquated, or if they are still OK, f he had used 'a football holocaust' whether that would be considered unobjectionable. |
Three points:
1) The word holocaust has been used to refer specifically to the mass murder of Jews since the 12th century;
2) He knows perfectly well that if he uses that word, virtually 100% of his audience would most closely associate it with the mass murder of Jews in World War II; and
3) There's no way he would have heard of that word if it were not for its association with the mass murder of Jews in World War II.
He knows what connotations that word has. At best he is trivialising. |  | | |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 10:23 - Oct 25 with 951 views | chicoazul |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 10:20 - Oct 25 by HighgateBlue |
Three points:
1) The word holocaust has been used to refer specifically to the mass murder of Jews since the 12th century;
2) He knows perfectly well that if he uses that word, virtually 100% of his audience would most closely associate it with the mass murder of Jews in World War II; and
3) There's no way he would have heard of that word if it were not for its association with the mass murder of Jews in World War II.
He knows what connotations that word has. At best he is trivialising. |
He is a very trivial man though. If he wasn’t vaguely good at football he would be hosting a YouTube red pill channel, selling people diet plans, doing martial arts, and writing awful poetry. |  |
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| Barton on thin ice (again) on 12:00 - Oct 25 with 804 views | HighgateBlue |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 10:23 - Oct 25 by chicoazul |
He is a very trivial man though. If he wasn’t vaguely good at football he would be hosting a YouTube red pill channel, selling people diet plans, doing martial arts, and writing awful poetry. |
It is true. I do wonder how he managed to convince the world (or at least the journalistic world) at one point that he was some sort of philosopher. I suppose that particular bar is very low when it comes to professional footballers, or at least male ones of his generation. | | | |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 12:07 - Oct 25 with 770 views | Skip_Intro |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 10:20 - Oct 25 by HighgateBlue |
Three points:
1) The word holocaust has been used to refer specifically to the mass murder of Jews since the 12th century;
2) He knows perfectly well that if he uses that word, virtually 100% of his audience would most closely associate it with the mass murder of Jews in World War II; and
3) There's no way he would have heard of that word if it were not for its association with the mass murder of Jews in World War II.
He knows what connotations that word has. At best he is trivialising. |
I'm not defending Barton in any way as I believe he is a horrible excuse for a human being, however there is a huge difference between 'a (nuclear) holocaust' (for example) and 'The Holocaust'...still a very poor choice of words on his part, whether deliberate or not. |  | | |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 12:23 - Oct 25 with 734 views | GeoffSentence |
| Barton on thin ice (again) on 10:20 - Oct 25 by HighgateBlue |
Three points:
1) The word holocaust has been used to refer specifically to the mass murder of Jews since the 12th century;
2) He knows perfectly well that if he uses that word, virtually 100% of his audience would most closely associate it with the mass murder of Jews in World War II; and
3) There's no way he would have heard of that word if it were not for its association with the mass murder of Jews in World War II.
He knows what connotations that word has. At best he is trivialising. |
I agree with most of that, and also GBs similar points from earlier. I am not trying to excuse Joey Barton in any way, he has a reputation as, lets say, being provocative, and I guess he knew that using the word holocaust in this way would create a reaction.
I was just making a wider point about the use of the word generally. Although now it is mostly associated with The Holocaust, it does have a broader meaning but by and large people do associate it only with The Holocaust. The only other context that it really gets used is 'nuclear holocaust', incidentally that's why I don't agree with your third point, most people will have come across that term.
I think that this incident indicates a shift in the use of the word, which is interesting. | |
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