| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns 07:31 - Mar 22 with 3148 views | MaySixth |
i wonder if he has something lined up
good luck to him, he's done a fine job |  |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 07:41 - Mar 22 with 2571 views | FrimleyBlue |
Or.. he sees managing our u23s pointless as we don't use any of the players he's bringing through... or isn't happy with how we treat some players.
Interesting Simpson called him a realist.
Norwood been cast aside again etc |  |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 07:41 - Mar 22 with 2562 views | Hullblue |
Cowley praised the under 23s? Missed that one! |  |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:00 - Mar 22 with 2454 views | MaySixth |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 07:41 - Mar 22 by Hullblue |
Cowley praised the under 23s? Missed that one! |
post-match against Pompey, Cowley talked about some of the U23s football at Charlton the week before and was very complimentary
“Absolutely, you’ve just got to look at them as a football club, look at their U23s. Look at them as a club, look at their 18s, look at their U23s, their U23s I think beat Charlton 5-1 last week.
“There are some really good players in that group, players like young [Elkan] Baggott, left-sided centre-half.
“And that’s before we get to their first-team players. What we’d do to have one, two, three, four of them coming through. [Post edited 22 Mar 2022 8:01]
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:03 - Mar 22 with 2416 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 07:41 - Mar 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Or.. he sees managing our u23s pointless as we don't use any of the players he's bringing through... or isn't happy with how we treat some players.
Interesting Simpson called him a realist.
Norwood been cast aside again etc |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:10 - Mar 22 with 2382 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 07:41 - Mar 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Or.. he sees managing our u23s pointless as we don't use any of the players he's bringing through... or isn't happy with how we treat some players.
Interesting Simpson called him a realist.
Norwood been cast aside again etc |
Yeah, if there's one person who's an absolute cast-iron authority on reality, it's Tyreece Simpson. |  | | |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:14 - Mar 22 with 2358 views | pointofblue |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 07:41 - Mar 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Or.. he sees managing our u23s pointless as we don't use any of the players he's bringing through... or isn't happy with how we treat some players.
Interesting Simpson called him a realist.
Norwood been cast aside again etc |
Sorry, which players from the U23s should we be using? And who should be dropped for them? | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:30 - Mar 22 with 2272 views | Churchman |
I hope he’s got something lined up. He’s 43 and needs to be at the very least first team coaching if he wants a career in the management game.
It’s a shame as I do like former players working at the club, if they’re good enough. They are part of the club’s identity. KD certainly is good enough and I did hope the club would give him an opportunity possibly after Lambert or even Cook, temporarily.
Whatever the reason, I hope it isn’t health related anyway. |  | | |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:38 - Mar 22 with 2203 views | Hullblue |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:00 - Mar 22 by MaySixth |
post-match against Pompey, Cowley talked about some of the U23s football at Charlton the week before and was very complimentary
“Absolutely, you’ve just got to look at them as a football club, look at their U23s. Look at them as a club, look at their 18s, look at their U23s, their U23s I think beat Charlton 5-1 last week.
“There are some really good players in that group, players like young [Elkan] Baggott, left-sided centre-half.
“And that’s before we get to their first-team players. What we’d do to have one, two, three, four of them coming through. [Post edited 22 Mar 2022 8:01]
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Interesting stuff - cheers for that. Never heard a manager say that before! Feels good to be receiving praise as a club again though. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:44 - Mar 22 with 2164 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:14 - Mar 22 by pointofblue |
Sorry, which players from the U23s should we be using? And who should be dropped for them? |
I don't know, just throwing a random possibility of why he left out there. Until we see the interview later or there's a news story, we don't know why he's left other than it's not his health.
He could have a first team job somewhere which would be great for him. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:45 - Mar 22 with 2147 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 08:30 - Mar 22 by Churchman |
I hope he’s got something lined up. He’s 43 and needs to be at the very least first team coaching if he wants a career in the management game.
It’s a shame as I do like former players working at the club, if they’re good enough. They are part of the club’s identity. KD certainly is good enough and I did hope the club would give him an opportunity possibly after Lambert or even Cook, temporarily.
Whatever the reason, I hope it isn’t health related anyway. |
It's not health related, that's already been confirmed on preview of his interview he's given. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:28 - Mar 22 with 1940 views | Bobbychase |
I do wonder if this has to do with the path from the Under-23s to the first team and whether our academy is performing as well as it can. Downes is probably the only one you can say has come through and then really impressed since he left us. Are the players good enough? It's a hard one to answer.
McKenna is a former youth coach himself so will have some insight into what standard we should be aiming at.
I hoped Dyer would be Town boss one day, so if there's been a falling-out that's depressing. But the club is bigger than one man and Ashton and McKenna have both set us on the right track after years of decline, and I wouldn't want Dyer's departure to jeapordise that. [Post edited 22 Mar 2022 9:32]
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:42 - Mar 22 with 1872 views | itfcjoe |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:28 - Mar 22 by Bobbychase |
I do wonder if this has to do with the path from the Under-23s to the first team and whether our academy is performing as well as it can. Downes is probably the only one you can say has come through and then really impressed since he left us. Are the players good enough? It's a hard one to answer.
McKenna is a former youth coach himself so will have some insight into what standard we should be aiming at.
I hoped Dyer would be Town boss one day, so if there's been a falling-out that's depressing. But the club is bigger than one man and Ashton and McKenna have both set us on the right track after years of decline, and I wouldn't want Dyer's departure to jeapordise that. [Post edited 22 Mar 2022 9:32]
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Ashton is the main man here now, and all I say here isn't a criticism of him and merely an observation.
He wants to be in control, and surround himself with 'his people', it's very interesting that Rene Gilmartin was John McGreal's assistant at Swindon, and was brought in here when Cook left and then McGreal was subsequently parachuted into the U23 role.
Dyer is very much not the sort of person who will fall into line, and I'd imagine there may even be a hint of jealousy towards Dyer and the relationships he has in the game - one of his best friends is David Manesseh who is effectively Jonathan Barnett's number 2 at Stellar (and Stellar is an agency we used heavily in the summer)
There is very little room for the old guard here now, especially on the senior side of things - Gary Probert is effectively doing Lee O'Neill's job at the moment and can't see LON being here longer term which really only leaves Bryan Klug from the old guard.
That's not to say any of this is wrong - I'm a huge Kieron Dyer fan and think we are losing a very good coach and man - but ultimately we have to go all in with Ashton and his lot and if this is part of the collatarel damage then whilst it is a shame it was always going to be the case sooner rather than later. There was no way Dyer was ever going to be the manager under Ashton here, as he'll never be Ashton's guy.
Hopefully he can go elsewhere and be a huge success, there is a nice little vacancy down the A12 and they know all about him there. |  |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:53 - Mar 22 with 1764 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:42 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
Ashton is the main man here now, and all I say here isn't a criticism of him and merely an observation.
He wants to be in control, and surround himself with 'his people', it's very interesting that Rene Gilmartin was John McGreal's assistant at Swindon, and was brought in here when Cook left and then McGreal was subsequently parachuted into the U23 role.
Dyer is very much not the sort of person who will fall into line, and I'd imagine there may even be a hint of jealousy towards Dyer and the relationships he has in the game - one of his best friends is David Manesseh who is effectively Jonathan Barnett's number 2 at Stellar (and Stellar is an agency we used heavily in the summer)
There is very little room for the old guard here now, especially on the senior side of things - Gary Probert is effectively doing Lee O'Neill's job at the moment and can't see LON being here longer term which really only leaves Bryan Klug from the old guard.
That's not to say any of this is wrong - I'm a huge Kieron Dyer fan and think we are losing a very good coach and man - but ultimately we have to go all in with Ashton and his lot and if this is part of the collatarel damage then whilst it is a shame it was always going to be the case sooner rather than later. There was no way Dyer was ever going to be the manager under Ashton here, as he'll never be Ashton's guy.
Hopefully he can go elsewhere and be a huge success, there is a nice little vacancy down the A12 and they know all about him there. |
I think Probert is going to progressively prove to be a very important cog in the medium-long term. 'Academy recruitment' - watch this space over the next couple of seasons. | | | |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:53 - Mar 22 with 1767 views | Hullblue |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:42 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
Ashton is the main man here now, and all I say here isn't a criticism of him and merely an observation.
He wants to be in control, and surround himself with 'his people', it's very interesting that Rene Gilmartin was John McGreal's assistant at Swindon, and was brought in here when Cook left and then McGreal was subsequently parachuted into the U23 role.
Dyer is very much not the sort of person who will fall into line, and I'd imagine there may even be a hint of jealousy towards Dyer and the relationships he has in the game - one of his best friends is David Manesseh who is effectively Jonathan Barnett's number 2 at Stellar (and Stellar is an agency we used heavily in the summer)
There is very little room for the old guard here now, especially on the senior side of things - Gary Probert is effectively doing Lee O'Neill's job at the moment and can't see LON being here longer term which really only leaves Bryan Klug from the old guard.
That's not to say any of this is wrong - I'm a huge Kieron Dyer fan and think we are losing a very good coach and man - but ultimately we have to go all in with Ashton and his lot and if this is part of the collatarel damage then whilst it is a shame it was always going to be the case sooner rather than later. There was no way Dyer was ever going to be the manager under Ashton here, as he'll never be Ashton's guy.
Hopefully he can go elsewhere and be a huge success, there is a nice little vacancy down the A12 and they know all about him there. |
I do worry about Dyer's temperament a bit, if he wants to be a first team manager. Seems a bit dramatic to quit at this point in the season, as though he's making a statement as much as a career choice. Is that the kind of level headedness you want in a position of huge responsibility?
Granted, I don't know what he's had to put up with, and he might put forward some convincing reasons today. Hopefully like you say he's got an opportunity down the road or elsewhere.
On a separate but related note, didn't we renew a couple of young players' contracts over the summer on his say-so? And none of them has made an impact. Wonder if that might have caused friction between him and Ashton too. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:56 - Mar 22 with 1736 views | itfcjoe |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:53 - Mar 22 by tractorboy1978 |
I think Probert is going to progressively prove to be a very important cog in the medium-long term. 'Academy recruitment' - watch this space over the next couple of seasons. |
He was quite keen on Bakinson and drove that deal, and know we looked at a lot of highly rated younsgters from big clubs up until January but obviously nothing happened there.
He was about the only one Bristol City fans were gutted to lose | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:57 - Mar 22 with 1712 views | Dyland |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:42 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
Ashton is the main man here now, and all I say here isn't a criticism of him and merely an observation.
He wants to be in control, and surround himself with 'his people', it's very interesting that Rene Gilmartin was John McGreal's assistant at Swindon, and was brought in here when Cook left and then McGreal was subsequently parachuted into the U23 role.
Dyer is very much not the sort of person who will fall into line, and I'd imagine there may even be a hint of jealousy towards Dyer and the relationships he has in the game - one of his best friends is David Manesseh who is effectively Jonathan Barnett's number 2 at Stellar (and Stellar is an agency we used heavily in the summer)
There is very little room for the old guard here now, especially on the senior side of things - Gary Probert is effectively doing Lee O'Neill's job at the moment and can't see LON being here longer term which really only leaves Bryan Klug from the old guard.
That's not to say any of this is wrong - I'm a huge Kieron Dyer fan and think we are losing a very good coach and man - but ultimately we have to go all in with Ashton and his lot and if this is part of the collatarel damage then whilst it is a shame it was always going to be the case sooner rather than later. There was no way Dyer was ever going to be the manager under Ashton here, as he'll never be Ashton's guy.
Hopefully he can go elsewhere and be a huge success, there is a nice little vacancy down the A12 and they know all about him there. |
I think that's pretty much spot on, though you may be adding two and two and getting five a little with the jealousy comment. I think Ashton has an ego though, so who knows. It's certainly his show, for better or worse.
No dramas though, just the reality of the situation. It's a gut losing Kieron but the whole club can't be set up around him becoming manager. |  |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:58 - Mar 22 with 1710 views | itfcjoe |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:53 - Mar 22 by Hullblue |
I do worry about Dyer's temperament a bit, if he wants to be a first team manager. Seems a bit dramatic to quit at this point in the season, as though he's making a statement as much as a career choice. Is that the kind of level headedness you want in a position of huge responsibility?
Granted, I don't know what he's had to put up with, and he might put forward some convincing reasons today. Hopefully like you say he's got an opportunity down the road or elsewhere.
On a separate but related note, didn't we renew a couple of young players' contracts over the summer on his say-so? And none of them has made an impact. Wonder if that might have caused friction between him and Ashton too. |
We won't know the reasons, but ultimately if it isn't working and he wants to go elsewhere it's quite a sensible choice to quit now so that he is able to start getting his name out there ahead of the summer, and also allows us to plan properly for next season
With regards to the contracts, these were things that would have cost pennies, and players like Bailey Clements and Thomas Hughes have had good seasons from where they were - think both those deals will be seen as net positives. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:59 - Mar 22 with 1693 views | Dyland |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:53 - Mar 22 by Hullblue |
I do worry about Dyer's temperament a bit, if he wants to be a first team manager. Seems a bit dramatic to quit at this point in the season, as though he's making a statement as much as a career choice. Is that the kind of level headedness you want in a position of huge responsibility?
Granted, I don't know what he's had to put up with, and he might put forward some convincing reasons today. Hopefully like you say he's got an opportunity down the road or elsewhere.
On a separate but related note, didn't we renew a couple of young players' contracts over the summer on his say-so? And none of them has made an impact. Wonder if that might have caused friction between him and Ashton too. |
I don't agree with that, no time like the present to follow your gut and head, which have both probably said to KD his immediate career prospects lie elsewhere. Bite the bullet and do it I say. Best of luck to him. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:07 - Mar 22 with 1622 views | Hullblue |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:58 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
We won't know the reasons, but ultimately if it isn't working and he wants to go elsewhere it's quite a sensible choice to quit now so that he is able to start getting his name out there ahead of the summer, and also allows us to plan properly for next season
With regards to the contracts, these were things that would have cost pennies, and players like Bailey Clements and Thomas Hughes have had good seasons from where they were - think both those deals will be seen as net positives. |
Hopefully it is a sensible, measured choice and he’s doing it for the reasons you mention below. It’s just the way Ashton has described it as a surprise and KD has given an interview to one of the podcasts that makes me worry it’s all going to be a bit emotionally charged.
Fair points on the contracts! | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:14 - Mar 22 with 1526 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:42 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
Ashton is the main man here now, and all I say here isn't a criticism of him and merely an observation.
He wants to be in control, and surround himself with 'his people', it's very interesting that Rene Gilmartin was John McGreal's assistant at Swindon, and was brought in here when Cook left and then McGreal was subsequently parachuted into the U23 role.
Dyer is very much not the sort of person who will fall into line, and I'd imagine there may even be a hint of jealousy towards Dyer and the relationships he has in the game - one of his best friends is David Manesseh who is effectively Jonathan Barnett's number 2 at Stellar (and Stellar is an agency we used heavily in the summer)
There is very little room for the old guard here now, especially on the senior side of things - Gary Probert is effectively doing Lee O'Neill's job at the moment and can't see LON being here longer term which really only leaves Bryan Klug from the old guard.
That's not to say any of this is wrong - I'm a huge Kieron Dyer fan and think we are losing a very good coach and man - but ultimately we have to go all in with Ashton and his lot and if this is part of the collatarel damage then whilst it is a shame it was always going to be the case sooner rather than later. There was no way Dyer was ever going to be the manager under Ashton here, as he'll never be Ashton's guy.
Hopefully he can go elsewhere and be a huge success, there is a nice little vacancy down the A12 and they know all about him there. |
Hope he does take the Col U job, would love to see him given a chance at a big job. Only if his health situation is manageable.
Good luck to him whatever he does. |  |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:27 - Mar 22 with 1439 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:58 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
We won't know the reasons, but ultimately if it isn't working and he wants to go elsewhere it's quite a sensible choice to quit now so that he is able to start getting his name out there ahead of the summer, and also allows us to plan properly for next season
With regards to the contracts, these were things that would have cost pennies, and players like Bailey Clements and Thomas Hughes have had good seasons from where they were - think both those deals will be seen as net positives. |
He massively drove the Hughes deal, even given his injury problems. Wonder what that means for him now. |  |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:28 - Mar 22 with 1429 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 09:53 - Mar 22 by tractorboy1978 |
I think Probert is going to progressively prove to be a very important cog in the medium-long term. 'Academy recruitment' - watch this space over the next couple of seasons. |
Had also heard a longer term project for him was to 'align' all the clubs that the American lot have. Not saying it will be like Red Bull Group or City Group, but along those lines. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:35 - Mar 22 with 1367 views | Bobbychase |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:07 - Mar 22 by Hullblue |
Hopefully it is a sensible, measured choice and he’s doing it for the reasons you mention below. It’s just the way Ashton has described it as a surprise and KD has given an interview to one of the podcasts that makes me worry it’s all going to be a bit emotionally charged.
Fair points on the contracts! |
Yes, I hadn't thought about the contracts but excellent point.
Ashton is looking at our set-up with fresh eyes, hence the intolerance of the way the stadium was allowed to develop mould and the way the training ground works.
He also knows we will have to sell to buy at some points, and I don't think it's unfair to look at the number of players we produce from our Academy that are good enough to play at League One/Championship level. It's all very well Norwood and lots of the academy players tweeting last night about what a great guy Dyer is, the club needs quality youngsters we can develop and - in some cases - sell on for profit.
For all the hugs between Dyer and Norwood when he scored against Sunderland, where has he been since when we needed him?
But caveat all this with saying I still hope Dyer comes back as Town boss one day. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:44 - Mar 22 with 1310 views | itfcjoe |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:35 - Mar 22 by Bobbychase |
Yes, I hadn't thought about the contracts but excellent point.
Ashton is looking at our set-up with fresh eyes, hence the intolerance of the way the stadium was allowed to develop mould and the way the training ground works.
He also knows we will have to sell to buy at some points, and I don't think it's unfair to look at the number of players we produce from our Academy that are good enough to play at League One/Championship level. It's all very well Norwood and lots of the academy players tweeting last night about what a great guy Dyer is, the club needs quality youngsters we can develop and - in some cases - sell on for profit.
For all the hugs between Dyer and Norwood when he scored against Sunderland, where has he been since when we needed him?
But caveat all this with saying I still hope Dyer comes back as Town boss one day. |
Our spending spree this summer was based totally of the back of academy players and the transfer fees they brought in - Bishop, Lankester, Dozzell, Downes and Drinan raised over £3m in fees, plus all have sell on clauses in there which could come to fruition
We also have had around 30 loan spells this season froma cademy players, Luke Woolfenden looking like a Rolls Royce in defence and Corrie Ndaba impressing at Salford. The academy is punching it's weight currently.
And if we didn't cash in on those players, I'd imagine that in at least one case by working with McKenna and in the new modern set up that their values may have significantly increased. | |
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| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:55 - Mar 22 with 1255 views | Bobbychase |
| Cowley specficially praises ITFC U23s and then Dyer resigns on 10:44 - Mar 22 by itfcjoe |
Our spending spree this summer was based totally of the back of academy players and the transfer fees they brought in - Bishop, Lankester, Dozzell, Downes and Drinan raised over £3m in fees, plus all have sell on clauses in there which could come to fruition
We also have had around 30 loan spells this season froma cademy players, Luke Woolfenden looking like a Rolls Royce in defence and Corrie Ndaba impressing at Salford. The academy is punching it's weight currently.
And if we didn't cash in on those players, I'd imagine that in at least one case by working with McKenna and in the new modern set up that their values may have significantly increased. |
But Ashton is probably looking at someone like Adam Webster, who came through Portsmouth's Academy. We sold him to Bristol City for £3.5m and they sold for £20m. That's a season-changing amount of money rather than a few hundred grand here and there. Since Mings, have we scouted and developed anyone apart from Downes who could make us that sort of profit?
It's also about quality.
Apart from Downes, the others have mostly gone on to play at our level or below in the case of Drinan. We develop affection for the likes of Bishop and Lankester because they are "one of our own" but have any of them earned rave reviews since they left? Dozzell, for all the praise he got here - including from me - how has it worked out at QPR?
Take your point about Woolfenden and Ndaba. But I don't think there's any harm in scrutinising the output of the academy overall.
I think getting Huws, Judge, Chambers, Skuse, Sears and Edwards off the wage bill probably helped with the summer recruitment as much as the sales of the younger players. | |
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