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Do we now live in a post joke world? on 08:45 - Jun 30 by BiGDonnie
Exactly, jokes like this one...
Weird how we live in a post joke society and yet that's still publicly available, the comments under it are very supportive and Ricky Gervais still has a very good career.
Do we now live in a post joke world? on 08:33 - Jun 30 by DanTheMan
Sounds like someone made a naughty joke on here.
I've probably made plenty but it's just a genuine question, esp on here but also more widely in the world.
There is the view that either everything is fair game or nothing is, which i tend to subscribe to or that actually we can only now make certain jokes, that if a joke offends anyone it can't be considered a joke regardless of how ridiculous that offence may be. I accept that some jokes are just offensive for the sake of being so and whilst that may make them bad jokes, tasteless and crass even, does that mean there no longer a right to make them after all a joke is by its nature not to be taken seriously and sometimes may be grotesque to make a point.
Many people are so quick to seize on anything they dislike, thought police out in force, we do seem to be heading for a rather Orwellain nightmare when it comes to humor, Joe Lycett getting the police called on him recently for example, Gervais and Carr both causing a stir, Dave Chappelle etc.
Do we now live in a post joke world? on 08:59 - Jun 30 by BlueandTruesince82
I've probably made plenty but it's just a genuine question, esp on here but also more widely in the world.
There is the view that either everything is fair game or nothing is, which i tend to subscribe to or that actually we can only now make certain jokes, that if a joke offends anyone it can't be considered a joke regardless of how ridiculous that offence may be. I accept that some jokes are just offensive for the sake of being so and whilst that may make them bad jokes, tasteless and crass even, does that mean there no longer a right to make them after all a joke is by its nature not to be taken seriously and sometimes may be grotesque to make a point.
Many people are so quick to seize on anything they dislike, thought police out in force, we do seem to be heading for a rather Orwellain nightmare when it comes to humor, Joe Lycett getting the police called on him recently for example, Gervais and Carr both causing a stir, Dave Chappelle etc.
Curious as to people's thoughts
As I've said earlier. Offence is subjective, what offends me, may not offend you.
If we are going to limit all jokes because they offend 'some' people, it's not that far removed from banning abortion because it offends some people's religious sensibilities.
The fact that people seem to seek out offence so they can rebel against it, to me, is more concerning and a symptom of our addiction to social media. At least before social media anyone offended by a joke they saw on TV was limited to Points of View or the letters page of the Daily Mail.
Do we now live in a post joke world? on 08:59 - Jun 30 by BlueandTruesince82
I've probably made plenty but it's just a genuine question, esp on here but also more widely in the world.
There is the view that either everything is fair game or nothing is, which i tend to subscribe to or that actually we can only now make certain jokes, that if a joke offends anyone it can't be considered a joke regardless of how ridiculous that offence may be. I accept that some jokes are just offensive for the sake of being so and whilst that may make them bad jokes, tasteless and crass even, does that mean there no longer a right to make them after all a joke is by its nature not to be taken seriously and sometimes may be grotesque to make a point.
Many people are so quick to seize on anything they dislike, thought police out in force, we do seem to be heading for a rather Orwellain nightmare when it comes to humor, Joe Lycett getting the police called on him recently for example, Gervais and Carr both causing a stir, Dave Chappelle etc.
Curious as to people's thoughts
Alright let's take the view that "everything is fair game or nothing is".
I want to make a holocaust joke about how hilarious it was that 6 million people were industrially gassed. Maybe a few jokes about ovens or something.
Is that OK?
What about jokes where the punchline is that black people are inferior to white people?
Is that OK?
I think there are lines people will inevitably have, and those lines are probably decided on the culture at the time. Over time jokes that were considered acceptable may become unacceptable.
Maybe in your views those jokes (where the punchline is something considered heinous) are fine. I can't say I prescribe to the idea.
Do we now live in a post joke world? on 09:06 - Jun 30 by DanTheMan
Alright let's take the view that "everything is fair game or nothing is".
I want to make a holocaust joke about how hilarious it was that 6 million people were industrially gassed. Maybe a few jokes about ovens or something.
Is that OK?
What about jokes where the punchline is that black people are inferior to white people?
Is that OK?
I think there are lines people will inevitably have, and those lines are probably decided on the culture at the time. Over time jokes that were considered acceptable may become unacceptable.
Maybe in your views those jokes (where the punchline is something considered heinous) are fine. I can't say I prescribe to the idea.
It really depends on the context of the joke doesn't it? If your joke is intended to mock the Nazis thats one thing, if it's about finding it funny that Jews were gassed by the Nazis thats something else.
If its about the ridiculous notion of white supremacy thats one thing, if its about celebrating the oppression of ethnic minorities thats something else.
Its really not that difficult. Just because it involves a mention of certain topics, does not make it 'off limits', the Gestapo would be big fans of that though.
Do we now live in a post joke world? on 09:11 - Jun 30 by Cheltenham_Blue
It really depends on the context of the joke doesn't it? If your joke is intended to mock the Nazis thats one thing, if it's about finding it funny that Jews were gassed by the Nazis thats something else.
If its about the ridiculous notion of white supremacy thats one thing, if its about celebrating the oppression of ethnic minorities thats something else.
Its really not that difficult. Just because it involves a mention of certain topics, does not make it 'off limits', the Gestapo would be big fans of that though.
[Post edited 30 Jun 2022 9:12]
That's not what they said, you've just drawn lines saying "this one is OK to mock, this one isn't".
So my point was there are things which you will receive a backlash for joking about / shouldn't joke about.
I agree with your point, it's basically who the punchline is about that is kind of key. There is the concept of punching upwards.
Which is why I don't really find the Ricky Gervais joke in good taste. The punchline boils down to "haha transwomen" which I don't think is that funny. It's just a joke at the expense of a minority.
Do we now live in a post joke world? on 09:16 - Jun 30 by DanTheMan
That's not what they said, you've just drawn lines saying "this one is OK to mock, this one isn't".
So my point was there are things which you will receive a backlash for joking about / shouldn't joke about.
I agree with your point, it's basically who the punchline is about that is kind of key. There is the concept of punching upwards.
Which is why I don't really find the Ricky Gervais joke in good taste. The punchline boils down to "haha transwomen" which I don't think is that funny. It's just a joke at the expense of a minority.
I disagree re the Gervais joke. I think its about the ridiculousness of being forced to focus on pronouns in priority over physical anatomy, particularly when it involves the rights of women, and it is openly mocking that idea.
But like I said, its subjective isn't it? And it offends you, but that doesn't mean anyone else has to share that offence. Anyone finding it offensive is ok to turn away and ignore it, those who don't find it offensive shouldn't have to.
Do we now live in a post joke world? on 09:20 - Jun 30 by Cheltenham_Blue
I disagree re the Gervais joke. I think its about the ridiculousness of being forced to focus on pronouns in priority over physical anatomy, particularly when it involves the rights of women, and it is openly mocking that idea.
But like I said, its subjective isn't it? And it offends you, but that doesn't mean anyone else has to share that offence. Anyone finding it offensive is ok to turn away and ignore it, those who don't find it offensive shouldn't have to.
[Post edited 30 Jun 2022 9:21]
It is subjective yes, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the joke. It just sits wrongly from me. I'm not overly offended by it, I just don't think it's funny honestly.
That said, your second part brings me back to my original point. Why shouldn't I be able to joke about how many Jews died in the Holocaust? After all, if it offends you, you can just ignore it. Neo-Nazis might find it the height of comedy.
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