| If you are a Union member 17:51 - Jun 30 with 2972 views | chicoazul |
and were balloted on a General Strike on the weekend of the August bank holiday, would you vote for it? Not to get into the weeds too much about the whys and wherefores.
If you are not a member of a union would you support such an action? Maybe just as simple as beeping picketers when you drive past them?
A lot of BT have just voted for strike action btw which prompted this question. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:06 - Jun 30 with 1576 views | BloomBlue |
August Bank holiday, we're at home on that Sat aren't we? That would cause me issues getting to PR.
When I see striking union members I normally give them a little wave. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 18:10 - Jun 30 with 1555 views | BlueBadger |
Labour don't support labour...time for a rebrand? by BlueBadger 26 Jun 2022 17:28The spin will be that there was a pay rise three years ago. It wasn't. It was merely a lower real-terms cut than previously.
Personally, if one is called I'll be on the lines if I'm not scheduled to be working joining my colleagues during my breaks if I am(and DEFINITELY taking my allocated breaks) and working strictly to rule if on shift - I can't honestly justify to myself leaving our service uncovered, so that's my plan.
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| If you are a Union member on 18:17 - Jun 30 with 1544 views | textbackup |
why does the date matter? |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:26 - Jun 30 with 1523 views | Mullet |
Of course, but your question is a bit flawed because in my industry it'd have precisely zero effect and be a bit odd.
However, in some industries that'd be hugely noticeable and effective.
Plus a ballot to strike would indicate that any talks which had happened (if at all) had broken down and this was a last resort.
On the flipside if none of those things had happened, the union had acted in bad faith outside of the policies/law then "no". But you'd need pretty exact proof of that. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:30 - Jun 30 with 1501 views | J2BLUE |
It would make zero sense for me to strike but I 100% support anyone striking. We need change. Hopefully this is the beginning of something bigger. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:32 - Jun 30 with 1476 views | jaykay |
expect all the tories who were up in arms about P.O workers treatment will be backing the strike. a general strike will be about pay and conditions |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:33 - Jun 30 with 1473 views | gtsb1966 |
I would support a strike 100%. I could probably tolerate high fuel prices, food prices and inflation because of covid and the war if the people of this country hadn't been shafted , cheated, lied too and treated with utter contempt....but they have so time for the people to fight back. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 18:45 - Jun 30 with 1414 views | Ewan_Oozami |
This is regarding the CWU's recent ballot, in which most of the people who voted were Openreach, not BT...and of those BT and EE people who were eligible to vote, they make up about 15% of the total number of BT employees (numbers eligible to vote in Openreach was about 80% of the total employees)
So to say "A lot of BT" is incorrect..... [Post edited 30 Jun 2022 18:46]
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| If you are a Union member on 18:50 - Jun 30 with 1377 views | fabian_illness |
My Mrs is a union member and with talk of strikes in the aviation industry being lined up for the school holidays, we often chat about it.
She likes the backup membership gives her with employment issues etc but would never down tools and strike. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 18:52 - Jun 30 with 1364 views | chicoazul |
| If you are a Union member on 18:45 - Jun 30 by Ewan_Oozami |
This is regarding the CWU's recent ballot, in which most of the people who voted were Openreach, not BT...and of those BT and EE people who were eligible to vote, they make up about 15% of the total number of BT employees (numbers eligible to vote in Openreach was about 80% of the total employees)
So to say "A lot of BT" is incorrect..... [Post edited 30 Jun 2022 18:46]
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Do you know how many people in BT and the other associates you mention are in a union? | |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:53 - Jun 30 with 1358 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| If you are a Union member on 18:52 - Jun 30 by chicoazul |
Do you know how many people in BT and the other associates you mention are in a union? |
Yes | |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:57 - Jun 30 with 1340 views | Churchman |
I was a Union member (PCS) and still keep associate membership for a couple of pounds a month. I’ve never broken a strike, even if I’ve not agreed with the action. I expected the Union to be there for me if I had a problem and supported it’s actions in return. So yes, I’d support the action.
I suspect some will feel this is a rather bone headed simple view. Fine - it’s just how I feel.
I’ve worked for non-unionised employers and one with a weak half way house staff association. I also have a basic knowledge of the history of trade unions and did a study on the steelworkers/miners strikes of the 80s as part of my degree. I like to think I know the value of them. [Post edited 1 Jul 2022 13:40]
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| If you are a Union member on 18:58 - Jun 30 with 1335 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If you are a Union member on 18:30 - Jun 30 by J2BLUE |
It would make zero sense for me to strike but I 100% support anyone striking. We need change. Hopefully this is the beginning of something bigger. |
We seem to be heading for something bigger as new industries are declaring strike action or consulting members seemingly every day. Whether there are too many self employed now to have a really impactful general strike I’m not sure. Sh*t seems to be going down though. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 18:59 - Jun 30 with 1330 views | chicoazul |
| If you are a Union member on 18:53 - Jun 30 by Ewan_Oozami |
Yes |
And was it many of them who voted to strike? | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:03 - Jun 30 with 1312 views | yesjohn99 |
Union member. Fully support. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 19:03 - Jun 30 with 1309 views | chicoazul |
| If you are a Union member on 18:26 - Jun 30 by Mullet |
Of course, but your question is a bit flawed because in my industry it'd have precisely zero effect and be a bit odd.
However, in some industries that'd be hugely noticeable and effective.
Plus a ballot to strike would indicate that any talks which had happened (if at all) had broken down and this was a last resort.
On the flipside if none of those things had happened, the union had acted in bad faith outside of the policies/law then "no". But you'd need pretty exact proof of that. |
Many private schools offer summer schools. Many normal schools offer summer schooling and support. Many teachers do tuition over summer. | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:08 - Jun 30 with 1276 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| If you are a Union member on 18:59 - Jun 30 by chicoazul |
And was it many of them who voted to strike? |
In the BT CWU employees ballot, there were 10353 eligible to vote, the turnout was 6022 (58.2%), those supporting action 5503 (91.5% of those who voted, 53% of those eligible to vote)
If you include the EE part of CWU, there were just over 2000 eligible to vote, but as the turnout did not reach the 50% threshold, any votes in that ballot cannot be counted legally in support of industrial action - just for the record 96% of those who did vote (even though the total didn't reach the 50% threshhold) supported industrial action | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:09 - Jun 30 with 1273 views | Mullet |
| If you are a Union member on 19:03 - Jun 30 by chicoazul |
Many private schools offer summer schools. Many normal schools offer summer schooling and support. Many teachers do tuition over summer. |
Not as part of STPCD especially on a bank holiday, so it'd be an entirely issue unless the strike was over being made to do that outside of the 1265hrs etc. But I've never come across that.
You'd be paid directly for the summer school outside of your contract etc. | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:18 - Jun 30 with 1228 views | chicoazul |
| If you are a Union member on 19:08 - Jun 30 by Ewan_Oozami |
In the BT CWU employees ballot, there were 10353 eligible to vote, the turnout was 6022 (58.2%), those supporting action 5503 (91.5% of those who voted, 53% of those eligible to vote)
If you include the EE part of CWU, there were just over 2000 eligible to vote, but as the turnout did not reach the 50% threshold, any votes in that ballot cannot be counted legally in support of industrial action - just for the record 96% of those who did vote (even though the total didn't reach the 50% threshhold) supported industrial action |
Interesting thanks. | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:19 - Jun 30 with 1217 views | You_Bloo_Right |
If the strikes do indeed go ahead they will be the first national strikes at BT by CWU members for 35 years.
35 years. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:19 - Jun 30 with 1215 views | chicoazul |
| If you are a Union member on 19:09 - Jun 30 by Mullet |
Not as part of STPCD especially on a bank holiday, so it'd be an entirely issue unless the strike was over being made to do that outside of the 1265hrs etc. But I've never come across that.
You'd be paid directly for the summer school outside of your contract etc. |
Of course but the point stands. Would you still do for eg tuition under the circumstances I described? | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:24 - Jun 30 with 1190 views | Mullet |
| If you are a Union member on 19:19 - Jun 30 by chicoazul |
Of course but the point stands. Would you still do for eg tuition under the circumstances I described? |
No, it wouldn't really make any sense. Only a term time strike is effective or worth considering.
I used to be against striking due to the demographic I teach and their need to be in school, but this government has pushed way beyond the line.
FWIW expect teacher strikes in November or so if current trajectory isn't changed. | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:26 - Jun 30 with 1183 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Of course not, striking inconveniences people and thus is very, very bad. Somebody might miss an appointment or something so it's a no from me. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:31 - Jun 30 with 1156 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| If you are a Union member on 19:19 - Jun 30 by You_Bloo_Right |
If the strikes do indeed go ahead they will be the first national strikes at BT by CWU members for 35 years.
35 years. |
Given the way some of the engineers Openreach and BT have been treated these past 3 years I don't blame them.... | |
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| If you are a Union member on 19:42 - Jun 30 with 1113 views | textbackup |
| If you are a Union member on 18:45 - Jun 30 by Ewan_Oozami |
This is regarding the CWU's recent ballot, in which most of the people who voted were Openreach, not BT...and of those BT and EE people who were eligible to vote, they make up about 15% of the total number of BT employees (numbers eligible to vote in Openreach was about 80% of the total employees)
So to say "A lot of BT" is incorrect..... [Post edited 30 Jun 2022 18:46]
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EE failed to meet the voting threshold by only 8 votes, likely because they are the lower paid, and are seen to have got an 8% payrise with the £1500 payment.
BT had a very decent turn out.
Openreach obviously had the lions share i admit.
I'd say its an overall great turnout and a massive FO to the CEO giving himself a 32% payrise [Post edited 30 Jun 2022 19:45]
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