| If you are a Union member 17:51 - Jun 30 with 2977 views | chicoazul |
and were balloted on a General Strike on the weekend of the August bank holiday, would you vote for it? Not to get into the weeds too much about the whys and wherefores.
If you are not a member of a union would you support such an action? Maybe just as simple as beeping picketers when you drive past them?
A lot of BT have just voted for strike action btw which prompted this question. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 20:29 - Jun 30 with 987 views | Whos_blue |
Yes and yes.
For me that's what being a trade union member is all about.
If I don't agree with the issue, I have an opportunity to state my opinion via the ballot box.
If a strike is subsequently called following that democratic process, I go with it. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 22:04 - Jun 30 with 929 views | Gogs |
| If you are a Union member on 20:29 - Jun 30 by Whos_blue |
Yes and yes.
For me that's what being a trade union member is all about.
If I don't agree with the issue, I have an opportunity to state my opinion via the ballot box.
If a strike is subsequently called following that democratic process, I go with it. |
ditto. Couldn't agree more |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 22:57 - Jun 30 with 895 views | brazil1982 |
Not a union member. I support people's right to strike. Would I support a " general strike"? Depends what the aims were. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 08:48 - Jul 1 with 847 views | GeoffSentence |
| If you are a Union member on 18:50 - Jun 30 by fabian_illness |
My Mrs is a union member and with talk of strikes in the aviation industry being lined up for the school holidays, we often chat about it.
She likes the backup membership gives her with employment issues etc but would never down tools and strike. |
That doesn't really seem in the spirit of union membership, to accept the support it can give but not to return it when asked. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 09:25 - Jul 1 with 831 views | Ely_Blue |
No & No
Quite frankly I think it’s too counter productive and really doesn’t get the support from the man on the street these days who isn’t getting inflation rate pay rises and guaranteed no compulsory redundancies |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 09:27 - Jul 1 with 827 views | DanTheMan |
| If you are a Union member on 09:25 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
No & No
Quite frankly I think it’s too counter productive and really doesn’t get the support from the man on the street these days who isn’t getting inflation rate pay rises and guaranteed no compulsory redundancies |
Are these not people on the street? |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 10:04 - Jul 1 with 805 views | JDB23 |
| If you are a Union member on 09:27 - Jul 1 by DanTheMan |
Are these not people on the street? |
No, posties, rail workers, firemen and nurses famously make up the metropolitan elite.
As for the OP, I'm in a union and would vote yes. Its about time workers readdressed the balance of power. | | | |
| If you are a Union member on 10:34 - Jul 1 with 780 views | jaykay |
| If you are a Union member on 19:26 - Jun 30 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Of course not, striking inconveniences people and thus is very, very bad. Somebody might miss an appointment or something so it's a no from me. |
i think you caught one there banksy |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 10:45 - Jul 1 with 784 views | textbackup |
| If you are a Union member on 09:25 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
No & No
Quite frankly I think it’s too counter productive and really doesn’t get the support from the man on the street these days who isn’t getting inflation rate pay rises and guaranteed no compulsory redundancies |
its the man on the street that is voting to strike.
dont recall too many rail workers, or BT call centre workers/engineers being in their ivory towers looking down on the rest |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 11:03 - Jul 1 with 768 views | fabian_illness |
| If you are a Union member on 08:48 - Jul 1 by GeoffSentence |
That doesn't really seem in the spirit of union membership, to accept the support it can give but not to return it when asked. |
I can understand that.
Her angle is that she pays her monthly subs, she can pick and choose what bits she wants from that. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 11:37 - Jul 1 with 759 views | textbackup |
| If you are a Union member on 11:03 - Jul 1 by fabian_illness |
I can understand that.
Her angle is that she pays her monthly subs, she can pick and choose what bits she wants from that. |
so would also return any pay rise given from others striking on her behalf?
only fair really... | |
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| If you are a Union member on 11:41 - Jul 1 with 745 views | noggin |
| If you are a Union member on 09:25 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
No & No
Quite frankly I think it’s too counter productive and really doesn’t get the support from the man on the street these days who isn’t getting inflation rate pay rises and guaranteed no compulsory redundancies |
So everyone should just accept their lot and get on with it? Are you a major shareholder somewhere? |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 11:49 - Jul 1 with 727 views | Heathlander |
| If you are a Union member on 19:19 - Jun 30 by You_Bloo_Right |
If the strikes do indeed go ahead they will be the first national strikes at BT by CWU members for 35 years.
35 years. |
I was part of that strike. The clerical side were out for two days. The engineering side a few weeks. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 11:56 - Jul 1 with 715 views | Skip_Intro |
| If you are a Union member on 11:37 - Jul 1 by textbackup |
so would also return any pay rise given from others striking on her behalf?
only fair really... |
How are they striking on her behalf if she has chosen not to strike?
Paying her membership is showing support...choosing whether to strike or not is a personal choice that should made without peer pressure. |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 12:09 - Jul 1 with 698 views | textbackup |
| If you are a Union member on 11:56 - Jul 1 by Skip_Intro |
How are they striking on her behalf if she has chosen not to strike?
Paying her membership is showing support...choosing whether to strike or not is a personal choice that should made without peer pressure. |
ok, poorly worded..... but if the direct result of them striking results in the pay rise, she, IMO, shouldnt get it. | |
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| If you are a Union member on 12:22 - Jul 1 with 654 views | TractorWood |
Inflation is high, property market is ridiculous, tax burden is big and increasing (NI increase for employees).
A lot of people are getting modest pay rises and moving noticably backwards in spending power. The Gov are economically illiterate and still squander enormous cash and are subservient to businesses who aggressively avoid tax.
Such a mess. |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 12:28 - Jul 1 with 636 views | leitrimblue |
A chance to stand around a bin fire smoking roll ups all day, I'm definitely in |  | | |
| If you are a Union member on 12:31 - Jul 1 with 619 views | noggin |
| If you are a Union member on 12:09 - Jul 1 by textbackup |
ok, poorly worded..... but if the direct result of them striking results in the pay rise, she, IMO, shouldnt get it. |
Alternatively, they can afford to strike, in part, due to her subs. She is technically paying others to strike for her. | |
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| If you are a Union member on 13:07 - Jul 1 with 578 views | Ely_Blue |
| If you are a Union member on 10:45 - Jul 1 by textbackup |
its the man on the street that is voting to strike.
dont recall too many rail workers, or BT call centre workers/engineers being in their ivory towers looking down on the rest |
Do you work for any of the said companies?
If not and you don’t live in an ivory tower I would assume that you are the man on the street I am referring to | |
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| If you are a Union member on 13:09 - Jul 1 with 575 views | Ely_Blue |
| If you are a Union member on 11:41 - Jul 1 by noggin |
So everyone should just accept their lot and get on with it? Are you a major shareholder somewhere? |
No I am not but you do know about the wage inflation spiral from the 70s don’t you? | |
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| If you are a Union member on 13:17 - Jul 1 with 564 views | textbackup |
| If you are a Union member on 13:07 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
Do you work for any of the said companies?
If not and you don’t live in an ivory tower I would assume that you are the man on the street I am referring to |
might do, might not.... point stands though | |
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| If you are a Union member on 13:28 - Jul 1 with 546 views | jaykay |
| If you are a Union member on 13:09 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
No I am not but you do know about the wage inflation spiral from the 70s don’t you? |
ah the good old seventies ,when houses prices were 4 times the cost of a house not 12 times. when students left uni with no debt. food banks were unheard of in most places oh and ipswich won the f.a. cup and in euro most seasons. | |
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| If you are a Union member on 13:32 - Jul 1 with 544 views | noggin |
| If you are a Union member on 13:09 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
No I am not but you do know about the wage inflation spiral from the 70s don’t you? |
Ah, so bigger profits for shareholders is best for everyone because they will move their money offshore and so keep inflation down? | |
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| If you are a Union member on 13:36 - Jul 1 with 526 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| If you are a Union member on 13:09 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
No I am not but you do know about the wage inflation spiral from the 70s don’t you? |
I do indeed, and the circumstances then were entirely different to what they are today, and a wage-price inflation spiral is highly unlikely..... |  |
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| If you are a Union member on 14:21 - Jul 1 with 489 views | Churchman |
| If you are a Union member on 13:09 - Jul 1 by Ely_Blue |
No I am not but you do know about the wage inflation spiral from the 70s don’t you? |
I do. I also know why people were striking and why our old industries died. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the workforce in most cases.
In 1966, the disaster at Aberfan occurred. It was no accident, it was deliberate neglect. 144 people died of which 116 were children.
It happened because the National Coal Board didn’t care. Nobody cared apart from the people who lived under the shadow of that spoil heap. They tried to get the NCB to do something about it years before and they weren’t interested. The article is here.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-aberfan-disaster-featured-crow
The NCB even refused to remove the remains of the heap. That was paid for out of charity funds donated by the people of this country to the victims. Those who lost people and suffered got b*gger all.
Why is this relevant? By about 1972/73 the mine workers had enough and were organised enough to strike. Rightly so. By 85, steel workers and miners went out again. They were demonised by Thatcher and the media for fighting for their jobs. So who was right? They were. The tories shut the lot.
The Union is the only protection workers have, in many instances. Please don’t tell me about benign philanthropic employers like Rowntree. They’re as rare as hens teeth. Most employers want the most for the minimum. Fine, it’s part of maximising profit, but a union is a form of check and balance against greedy, cruel employers and in this case greedy, cruel government.
When in 2010 the Tories got in, that pig Francis Maud became Cabinet Office Secretary. As with tradition, the staff were assembled for his speech. According to several people I knew who were there, his words were something like ‘I look around this room and see a lot of deadwood. It’s my job to get rid of it’. He then walked out.
And so began austerity. Austerity had nothing whatsoever to do with government spending. It had everything to do with a bogus ideology based on hatred. They had no idea what people actually did and they didn’t care. It was a term used to assault working peoples’ employment, terms and conditions with threats, you name it. All under the banner of ‘reform’. There was no reform, it was just cuts. How much money did it cost? Who cares. Get the headcount down is no 1 priority. Nothing else matters. Finances? Easy, we can print more money, as a Treasury official told me when I raised the question.
This attitude is evident towards all working people, private and public sector. To the tories, they/we are the plebs. Plebs to be conned into voting for them.
So if a general strike is called, I will support it. I was up in London for the big demo in about 2011 and if there’s another I’ll support that. Shaking these people is the only way to distract them from their HoC porn downloads, groping in a club or filling their pockets with roubles.
I’m sure these people must have got something right since the Falklands war. I just haven’t spotted it yet.
Rant over. Apologies. |  | | |
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