| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious 07:32 - Aug 11 with 2251 views | Steve_M |
"Russia insists that the explosions were caused by ammunition exploding in a store because of fire safety rules being flouted."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62500560
Oh dear.
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:09 - Aug 11 with 1856 views | Guthrum |
They insist that because it's slightly less embarassing than Ukraine having been able to conduct an attack so derp in Russian-held territory. |  |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:14 - Aug 11 with 1834 views | RegencyBlue |
Whatever the guy who caused it was smoking was good stuff! |  | | |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:34 - Aug 11 with 1789 views | Mullet |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:09 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
They insist that because it's slightly less embarassing than Ukraine having been able to conduct an attack so derp in Russian-held territory. |
All about to kick off this coming week do we think? Well escalate, it's kicked off a while ago, but presumably the Russians would blame the Ukrainians if they planned to go with their "judgement day" threat. |  |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:45 - Aug 11 with 1740 views | Steve_M |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:09 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
They insist that because it's slightly less embarassing than Ukraine having been able to conduct an attack so derp in Russian-held territory. |
Indeed. Still seems to be a question of whether this was Himars or special forces. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:57 - Aug 11 with 1675 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
The Russians seem extraordinarily unlucky with random explosions, what with this, the Moskva, and the one in Russia.
Perhaps they should review their health and safety procedures… |  | | |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:19 - Aug 11 with 1596 views | RegencyBlue |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:45 - Aug 11 by Steve_M |
Indeed. Still seems to be a question of whether this was Himars or special forces. |
And if the Ukrainians have any sense they will keep the Russians guessing.
The Russian Air Force, which seems to have performed as well as their army, now has an additional problem. Until now they have based their aircraft relatively close to the front line but however they did it the Ukrainians have shown they have the capability to hit those bases. My guess would be the Russians are busy moving their air assets much further back which will impact on flight times to the front, mix of fuel v weapons carried, things like that.
Not a game changer as such but extra problems for a military who seem completely out of their depth already! | | | |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:20 - Aug 11 with 1583 views | Guthrum |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:45 - Aug 11 by Steve_M |
Indeed. Still seems to be a question of whether this was Himars or special forces. |
I think Ukraine would have been unwise to use HIMARS on a target so deep within Russia, having promised the USA they wouldn't. Think Moscow would have made more fuss if that were the case.
Also, that is beyond the range of the HIMARS rockets which have been supplied so far.
It's quite possible the Russians are being truthful and this was down to some catastrophic cock-up and/or maintenance failure. It's happened before. The Kursk disaster in 2000 was down to that. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:27 - Aug 11 with 1542 views | hype313 |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:20 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
I think Ukraine would have been unwise to use HIMARS on a target so deep within Russia, having promised the USA they wouldn't. Think Moscow would have made more fuss if that were the case.
Also, that is beyond the range of the HIMARS rockets which have been supplied so far.
It's quite possible the Russians are being truthful and this was down to some catastrophic cock-up and/or maintenance failure. It's happened before. The Kursk disaster in 2000 was down to that. |
From what I have read it's covert Ukrainians in Crimea that did the damage there. |  |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:35 - Aug 11 with 1498 views | Kievthegreat |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:20 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
I think Ukraine would have been unwise to use HIMARS on a target so deep within Russia, having promised the USA they wouldn't. Think Moscow would have made more fuss if that were the case.
Also, that is beyond the range of the HIMARS rockets which have been supplied so far.
It's quite possible the Russians are being truthful and this was down to some catastrophic cock-up and/or maintenance failure. It's happened before. The Kursk disaster in 2000 was down to that. |
Ukraine quite like the ambiguity. They can now be seen to have launched successful HIMARS attacks with the long range ammunition that they hadn't previously been seen to have received, an extremely effective special forces attack deep in the Russian rear, utilised some of their own equipment (perhaps a Neptune in ground attack mode). As much as the destruction of the base serves a good military outcome, this attack is a massive PR boon for Ukraine.
Also, a minor but important correction, but Crimea is Russian occupied territory, not Russia. Obviosuly Russia will view it otherwise, but I think the US will view it as occupied territory. |  | | |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:40 - Aug 11 with 1480 views | ericclacton |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:27 - Aug 11 by hype313 |
From what I have read it's covert Ukrainians in Crimea that did the damage there. |
Yeah and that time that Russian bloke turned all his lights off before going to bed but forgot to lock the front door,you couldn't make it up could you.😙 |  | | |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:47 - Aug 11 with 1438 views | Steve_M |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:20 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
I think Ukraine would have been unwise to use HIMARS on a target so deep within Russia, having promised the USA they wouldn't. Think Moscow would have made more fuss if that were the case.
Also, that is beyond the range of the HIMARS rockets which have been supplied so far.
It's quite possible the Russians are being truthful and this was down to some catastrophic cock-up and/or maintenance failure. It's happened before. The Kursk disaster in 2000 was down to that. |
It's in Crimea so very much occupied territory.
A catastrophic accident that seemed to target lots of fighters is unlikely but, yes, definitely plenty of half-arsed systems falling apart. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:53 - Aug 11 with 1425 views | Steve_M |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:59 - Aug 11 with 1383 views | gordon |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:20 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
I think Ukraine would have been unwise to use HIMARS on a target so deep within Russia, having promised the USA they wouldn't. Think Moscow would have made more fuss if that were the case.
Also, that is beyond the range of the HIMARS rockets which have been supplied so far.
It's quite possible the Russians are being truthful and this was down to some catastrophic cock-up and/or maintenance failure. It's happened before. The Kursk disaster in 2000 was down to that. |
The target was in Ukraine. |  | | |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 10:12 - Aug 11 with 1343 views | Guthrum |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:59 - Aug 11 by gordon |
The target was in Ukraine. |
Legally, yes, according to most of the world. De facto, not since 2014. Unlike the Donbas, it has been fomally (if unilaterally) annexed by Russia itself. Rather different to dropping munitions on arms dumps and bridges behind the front line in Kherson.
I'm not saying it wasn't a legitimate target, as a base for operations against Ukraine, from occuped territory of the latter.
Talking of Kherson, I think Moscow is trying to rush through a "referendum" to join Russia, so they can threaten dire consequences and nuclear war if the Ukrainians bombard and attempt to retake the area. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 10:16 - Aug 11 with 1326 views | Guthrum |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:47 - Aug 11 by Steve_M |
It's in Crimea so very much occupied territory.
A catastrophic accident that seemed to target lots of fighters is unlikely but, yes, definitely plenty of half-arsed systems falling apart. |
There tend to be armaments and fuel around fighter 'planes. Quite an explosive mixture if not handled properly and something goes wrong ... or someone drops a mortar bomb or something from a drone in the vicinity. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 10:28 - Aug 11 with 1285 views | Guthrum |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 08:34 - Aug 11 by Mullet |
All about to kick off this coming week do we think? Well escalate, it's kicked off a while ago, but presumably the Russians would blame the Ukrainians if they planned to go with their "judgement day" threat. |
But what have the Russians got in reserve to carry out this "judgement day" threat? If they've been deliberately holding back, they are militarily stupid and wasteful. If not, their conventional forces are simply not strong enough. Using nuclear or chemical weapons - especially against cities - would pull the house down.
It's like the bully faced with the weedy kid's much bigger brother. Reduced to blood-curdling, but largely impotent, threats.
Also, Medvedev is just trying to keep himself relevent by saying the most extreme things. The Duma has always been full of barking mad loons. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 10:51 - Aug 11 with 1219 views | StokieBlue |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:20 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
I think Ukraine would have been unwise to use HIMARS on a target so deep within Russia, having promised the USA they wouldn't. Think Moscow would have made more fuss if that were the case.
Also, that is beyond the range of the HIMARS rockets which have been supplied so far.
It's quite possible the Russians are being truthful and this was down to some catastrophic cock-up and/or maintenance failure. It's happened before. The Kursk disaster in 2000 was down to that. |
Crimea isn't Russia so that attack wasn't "deep within Russia".
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:01 - Aug 11 with 1173 views | Keno |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 09:53 - Aug 11 by Steve_M |
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Not wishing to downplay the awfulness of all this but how wondering the Ukrainians art using Bananarama to hit back!! |  |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:16 - Aug 11 with 1117 views | Guthrum |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 10:51 - Aug 11 by StokieBlue |
Crimea isn't Russia so that attack wasn't "deep within Russia".
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See my reply to Gordon.
Moscow, having annexed the region, regards it as part of the state and would be quick to throw accusations at the USA, given the latter supplied long-range artillery to Ukraine on the basis it would not be used to hit targets within Russia.
They haven't so I suspect it wasn't HIMARS. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:33 - Aug 11 with 1062 views | giant_stow |
I thought Ukraine had more or less confirmed it was special forces*? The Telegraph was reporting last night on unnamed sources saying that this was just the beginning of insurgency in Crimea with much more to come.
* linking up with 'local partisans' [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 11:35]
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:34 - Aug 11 with 1059 views | Guthrum |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:33 - Aug 11 by giant_stow |
I thought Ukraine had more or less confirmed it was special forces*? The Telegraph was reporting last night on unnamed sources saying that this was just the beginning of insurgency in Crimea with much more to come.
* linking up with 'local partisans' [Post edited 11 Aug 2022 11:35]
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Tho that could just be propaganda to get the Russians looking over their shoulders. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:35 - Aug 11 with 1044 views | giant_stow |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:34 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
Tho that could just be propaganda to get the Russians looking over their shoulders. |
Yeah fair dos, but those craters do look mighty precise, as Grizzly says. | |
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| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:45 - Aug 11 with 1011 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:16 - Aug 11 by Guthrum |
See my reply to Gordon.
Moscow, having annexed the region, regards it as part of the state and would be quick to throw accusations at the USA, given the latter supplied long-range artillery to Ukraine on the basis it would not be used to hit targets within Russia.
They haven't so I suspect it wasn't HIMARS. |
It does not matter how many times you say it. the facts of the matter is that Crimea is Ukranian. The real crime was that the world allowed Russia invade and take possession of another country's land and we are seeing the concequences of that now. |  | | |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 13:46 - Aug 11 with 884 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| This 'accidental' fire on a Russian air base looks serious on 11:45 - Aug 11 by Eireannach_gorm |
It does not matter how many times you say it. the facts of the matter is that Crimea is Ukranian. The real crime was that the world allowed Russia invade and take possession of another country's land and we are seeing the concequences of that now. |
Yes, the Ukrainian Government sees it as illegally occupied Ukraine. So when they say "We won't hit Russian territory with HIMARS" there is no way they mean Crimea to be included.
The US Government recognises Crimea as illegally occupied Ukrainian territory, so when they asked Ukraine to promise "We won't hit Russian territory with HIMARS" there is no way they mean Crimea to be included.
(For that matter the UN recognises Crimea as illegally occupied Ukraine...)
Probably the first time that Guthrum has been wrong about anything, that I can remember, so an historic thread to be part of. | | | |
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