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Sewage being pumped into the sea? 15:39 - Aug 22 with 6679 viewsSitfcB

Why is there a big thing being made out of this at the moment when it’s been going on for years and years?

It’s always been common knowledge that it happens hasn’t it?

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:41 - Aug 22 with 3016 viewsDanTheMan

Because of how much is going in.

Water companies have pumped raw sewage into Britain's seas and rivers for more than nine million hours since 2016, new data suggests.

The figure is an increase of 2,553% over five years, according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data, released under the Freedom of Information Act.


Outrageous that they've been getting away with it whilst making lovely profits.
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:43 - Aug 22 with 2991 viewsBlueBadger

Because it's now spiralling thanks to Reduced Red Tape(ie, restrictions on pumping sh1t into rivers and seas). It's yet another Brexit Bonus.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:47 - Aug 22 with 2962 viewsjeera

Surely the question should be why has more not been made of this over years, therefore allowing a pathway for it to become so much worse?

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:47 - Aug 22 with 2957 viewsFtnfwest

yes but usually we put chemicals all over it as well before we pump it into the sea
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:47 - Aug 22 with 2959 viewsXYZ

It's increased massively since 2016 because of Corbyn.
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:48 - Aug 22 with 2958 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:41 - Aug 22 by DanTheMan

Because of how much is going in.

Water companies have pumped raw sewage into Britain's seas and rivers for more than nine million hours since 2016, new data suggests.

The figure is an increase of 2,553% over five years, according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data, released under the Freedom of Information Act.


Outrageous that they've been getting away with it whilst making lovely profits.
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Welsh Water is not for profit and has also been dumping sewage, and according to Ofwat one of the worst for % of leaks fixed. The profit just seems to be the icing on the cake.

Surely the laws need to be tightened up, or are the regulators are toothless?
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:50 - Aug 22 with 2921 viewsDanTheMan

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:48 - Aug 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Welsh Water is not for profit and has also been dumping sewage, and according to Ofwat one of the worst for % of leaks fixed. The profit just seems to be the icing on the cake.

Surely the laws need to be tightened up, or are the regulators are toothless?


I'd imagine both.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:50 - Aug 22 with 2915 viewsjeera

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:48 - Aug 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Welsh Water is not for profit and has also been dumping sewage, and according to Ofwat one of the worst for % of leaks fixed. The profit just seems to be the icing on the cake.

Surely the laws need to be tightened up, or are the regulators are toothless?


Those who govern our lives have their hands firmly in the till James!

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:52 - Aug 22 with 2909 viewsbuoyant

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:43 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger

Because it's now spiralling thanks to Reduced Red Tape(ie, restrictions on pumping sh1t into rivers and seas). It's yet another Brexit Bonus.
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Not defending them, but I don't think that is true.

As far as I am aware nothing has changed with the regulation of UK water companies post Brexit.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:53 - Aug 22 with 2892 viewsRyorry

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:47 - Aug 22 by Ftnfwest

yes but usually we put chemicals all over it as well before we pump it into the sea


I've seen suggestions on social media, with some evidence, that there's a shortage of chemicals because of #Brexsh1t. But opinions are differing on it, & that's not entirely down party lines.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:54 - Aug 22 with 2890 viewsElderGrizzly

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:41 - Aug 22 by DanTheMan

Because of how much is going in.

Water companies have pumped raw sewage into Britain's seas and rivers for more than nine million hours since 2016, new data suggests.

The figure is an increase of 2,553% over five years, according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data, released under the Freedom of Information Act.


Outrageous that they've been getting away with it whilst making lovely profits.
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And it's been revealed today, they haven't even bothered installing the mandatory sensors on almost 2,000 outlets.

So the problem is much worse than is being reported.

https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/sewage-discharge-map-surfers-against-rivers
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:54 - Aug 22 with 2878 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:50 - Aug 22 by jeera

Those who govern our lives have their hands firmly in the till James!


“Govern” is being a bit generous!
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:55 - Aug 22 with 2867 viewsjeera

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:52 - Aug 22 by buoyant

Not defending them, but I don't think that is true.

As far as I am aware nothing has changed with the regulation of UK water companies post Brexit.


Just no one seems to be enforcing them?

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:00 - Aug 22 with 2822 viewsBlueBadger

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:47 - Aug 22 by XYZ

It's increased massively since 2016 because of Corbyn.


True that. If he'd had actually bothered his arse engaging with the young people he supposedly had a 'rapport' with rather than hiding, it might have swung the 2016 referendum.


There you go Sitters, that's your second ten pager in seven days.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:03 - Aug 22 with 2773 viewsFtnfwest

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:53 - Aug 22 by Ryorry

I've seen suggestions on social media, with some evidence, that there's a shortage of chemicals because of #Brexsh1t. But opinions are differing on it, & that's not entirely down party lines.


who knows, one assumes you should be able to buy what you want/need....if people are prepared to sell it to you that is....
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:05 - Aug 22 with 2761 viewshomer_123

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:03 - Aug 22 by Ftnfwest

who knows, one assumes you should be able to buy what you want/need....if people are prepared to sell it to you that is....


I'm sorry, this is not a capitalist society we live in.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:13 - Aug 22 with 2679 viewsHARRY10

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:52 - Aug 22 by buoyant

Not defending them, but I don't think that is true.

As far as I am aware nothing has changed with the regulation of UK water companies post Brexit.


or

"Regulations over the process of dumping sewage into the sea changed in 2021, when the Environment Agency issued a waiver allowing companies to dispose of it without using one sewage treatment chemical called ferric sulphate.

The acidic solution which is used to suppress the growth of algae, was then in shortage due to the supply chain obstructions caused by a shortage in HGV drivers.".......................brexit

This WAS flagged post 2016, as was the certain shortage of necessary chemicals - but when habitual liars such as Farage, Johnson and Rees-Mogg tell you it's all 'project fear' then as a cap doffer you are expected to believe them


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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:13 - Aug 22 with 2676 viewsbuoyant

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:55 - Aug 22 by jeera

Just no one seems to be enforcing them?


I think maybe BB is referring to the lack of ferric sulphate, which was due to delivery/lorry driver issues.

The amount of “consented” discharge of waste in storm conditions has remained the same for as long as I can remember and the increase in fines for pollutions is negligible.

The problem being that the sewerage network in most urban populations were once streams that people used to sh!t in and were piped. The lack of (re)investment is due to an unwillingness of successive governments to raise bills, restrict profit/shareholder dividends hard enough.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:15 - Aug 22 with 2641 viewsElderGrizzly

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:13 - Aug 22 by buoyant

I think maybe BB is referring to the lack of ferric sulphate, which was due to delivery/lorry driver issues.

The amount of “consented” discharge of waste in storm conditions has remained the same for as long as I can remember and the increase in fines for pollutions is negligible.

The problem being that the sewerage network in most urban populations were once streams that people used to sh!t in and were piped. The lack of (re)investment is due to an unwillingness of successive governments to raise bills, restrict profit/shareholder dividends hard enough.


Isn't it something like £76bn in profit made since privatisation?

Most has gone to shareholders, not to reinvest in the network and that is the issue.
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:19 - Aug 22 with 2623 viewsbuoyant

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:13 - Aug 22 by HARRY10

or

"Regulations over the process of dumping sewage into the sea changed in 2021, when the Environment Agency issued a waiver allowing companies to dispose of it without using one sewage treatment chemical called ferric sulphate.

The acidic solution which is used to suppress the growth of algae, was then in shortage due to the supply chain obstructions caused by a shortage in HGV drivers.".......................brexit

This WAS flagged post 2016, as was the certain shortage of necessary chemicals - but when habitual liars such as Farage, Johnson and Rees-Mogg tell you it's all 'project fear' then as a cap doffer you are expected to believe them


"there will not be checks at Dover" - "they will be at Calais"



Not quite the same, but a great headlne.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:27 - Aug 22 with 2573 viewsBasuco

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 15:52 - Aug 22 by buoyant

Not defending them, but I don't think that is true.

As far as I am aware nothing has changed with the regulation of UK water companies post Brexit.


But it could have been made a lot better, but Conservative MP's voted to stop any restrictions on dumping raw sewage into UK rivers and sea's in October 2021

https://inews.co.uk/news/sewage-mp-vote-how-my-uk-dumping-raw-sea-rivers-row-exp
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:28 - Aug 22 with 2563 viewsHARRY10

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:15 - Aug 22 by ElderGrizzly

Isn't it something like £76bn in profit made since privatisation?

Most has gone to shareholders, not to reinvest in the network and that is the issue.


Parts of the UK are the only places in the world where water/sewage is private. In Scotland (public run) there has been higher investment than England and the government is able to set standards and regulate to ensure they are met.

Ah, say the cap doffers.

That is the main reason the UK left the EU. Companies being forced to stick to agreed standards. Though that was not what was inferred at the time. That was simply a case of removing '-furriners', especially those with a brown face. The irony there being the workers needed will now come from India, Indonesia, Africa....places with lots of brown faces.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:39 - Aug 22 with 2478 viewsbuoyant

Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:15 - Aug 22 by ElderGrizzly

Isn't it something like £76bn in profit made since privatisation?

Most has gone to shareholders, not to reinvest in the network and that is the issue.


I don't know. I do know that that reinvestment has been running at £10bn per year for the last 10 or more.

There's no doubt that the infrastructure needed serious investment in the 90's when literally 1000's of people would be off water for weeks in the summer and raw sewage was systematically being discharged into rivers etc but selling it off was ridiculous, there is no way it should be private.

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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:48 - Aug 22 with 2427 viewsflettonblue

Although it's been going on for years, they now have monitors on them(or will do soon) so the discharges can be counted and this gives a greater understanding of size and scale them there's been before.

Also the public and politicians more aware of this than ever given the current focus on water companies with drought/pipe leakage and previous misdemeanours with combined sewer overflow misuse,plus profits made since privatisation etc.

The regulation/enforcement will happen but it takes years to build casefiles for all this, thus the presumption of inactivity and weak rules/enforcers in-between time.

IMHO, companies have sweated assets and underinvested for years to maximise profits and not they're generally in such a bad state (which is magnified by climate change, population growth) that there's absolutely no quick fix for most of this were talking decades to mitigate this unless we all want our streets dug up to separate foul and clean/rain water? None of us as customers are getting the service we are/have paid for and likely to have to pay again now to overcome all this. Politicians could have given regulators new powers or laws to overcome some of this before now but have not for whatever reason.
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Sewage being pumped into the sea? on 16:49 - Aug 22 with 2423 viewsTractorWood

Joining the EU was the single best thing for our beaches and water standards. Successive Govs did nothing until we joined.

More sunlight uplands.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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