| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation 15:24 - Sep 25 with 1628 views | Mullet |
With the growing indignance that officials have cost us 5pts or so prior, might be one way to spin it. The injuries we've now mounted up and lapses such as Fridge's shocker, another.
Those are two of the toughest away days we could have and we had them back to back. You'd fancy KMK to learn from that, the first 10-15 mins were again very positive for us but once Jackson started to get beat at his own game we needed to switch something.
Harness and Fridge were poor and this lead to Mumba being isolated and able to hit us on the break. The fact that he and Morsy both should have gone is neither here nor there, we've benefited as much as we've lost by those poor decisions - the killer was really the obvious foul on Chaplin if we're going there.
I was chuffed for Ladapo, he just kept trucking away and his spawniest effort is the one that goes in, but once he went off we really seemed to struggle to make it stick up top. Crosses all game went too far away from the runner to be really damaging and this exposed us once neither midfielder could risk a challenge.
Had we won, we'd be hailing McKenna's genius, but perhaps some of these subs and individual gameplans are showing he is still a relative rookie too. Once they stop exploiting teams' then this level needs stuff far less sophisticated from the manager and I wonder if we will see us adopt a bit more pragmatism now. But it's hard to deny how much better the whole season has been since Lambert and Cook's regimes.
We're very much in the hunt to win this league, with home games to come the ground we've given away can be recouped. The way Plymouth celebrated at the end was a huge compliment to us, but there's little comfort in that. |  |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:28 - Sep 25 with 1554 views | tractorboy1978 |
I didn't think it was a foul. Chaplin very obviously looked at him and tried to buy it. |  | | |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:29 - Sep 25 with 1548 views | Trequartista |
Take another look at the Chaplin incident for the first goal when you get a chance. I think you'll change your opinion. |  |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:30 - Sep 25 with 1539 views | Mullet |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:28 - Sep 25 by tractorboy1978 |
I didn't think it was a foul. Chaplin very obviously looked at him and tried to buy it. |
He sent him over and made no attempt to play the ball. If we'd have done that to Ennis and Jackson pounced we'd be laughing about how lucky we've been. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:34 - Sep 25 with 1484 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:30 - Sep 25 by Mullet |
He sent him over and made no attempt to play the ball. If we'd have done that to Ennis and Jackson pounced we'd be laughing about how lucky we've been. |
Chaplin went into him and initiated the contact. It wasn't a foul. | | | |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:35 - Sep 25 with 1482 views | Mullet |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:29 - Sep 25 by Trequartista |
Take another look at the Chaplin incident for the first goal when you get a chance. I think you'll change your opinion. |
Just watched it back, Chaplin looks back as he's hit then he's floored and the guy's forearm is up against his back. Not sure how there's a scenario where he doesn't go down or can get to the ball. Foul seems clear as day on the Sky highlights. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:36 - Sep 25 with 1461 views | backwaywhen |
Have o agree with most of that , and we definitely need a fox in the box type player , good chances went begging again today , I think it’s going to be hard for any of the top teams to pull away this season , tight competitive top half right to the wire …….. boy do I wish we had that Peterborough striker Johnson Clark Harris he would be the answer IMO | | | |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:37 - Sep 25 with 1447 views | bournemouthblue |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:29 - Sep 25 by Trequartista |
Take another look at the Chaplin incident for the first goal when you get a chance. I think you'll change your opinion. |
In real time I thought it looked a foul but in slow motion he is looking for it
If it was given, I don't think Plymouth could argue with it but there you go, once they equalised they turned the screw and looked pretty useful
I think the subs halted our momentum and they probably shaded it on the day, you can see why they have dealt with all the bigger clubs so far |  |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:40 - Sep 25 with 1419 views | LankHenners |
Have to say that the 'foul' didn't exist - Chaplin thinks he won't win the header so pushes his back out to collapse under the (admittedly forceful) contact which follows. Only gripe with that is you see defenders do that all the time and win free kicks when it's obvious they were looking for a cheap way out having got themselves in a sticky situation.
Agree in general though - 10 games in, 21 points, 2nd, 1 point off top, top or near top of plenty of stats rankings, think we'd have all taken that if presented sans context in July. Frustrating when you pick through individual games (the ref genuinely robbing us of a win against Barnsley, the collapse in discipline and composure today and last week) but have to say we're in a good position to kick on now rather than trying to figure out the best way to make up ground.
Harness started where he finished last week for me - not enough care taken in possession, lost his footing too many times from rushing and trying to do two steps in one, cheap loss of possession into lunge into yellow daft. Poor mistake from Fridge, just go out to Davis. The Plymouth player had anticipated the pass he actually made and it was a gift despite the good finish that followed.
Best thing after this is a home double header next week. 6 points would have everyone forgetting the recent disappointment. |  |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:45 - Sep 25 with 1373 views | Mullet |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:40 - Sep 25 by LankHenners |
Have to say that the 'foul' didn't exist - Chaplin thinks he won't win the header so pushes his back out to collapse under the (admittedly forceful) contact which follows. Only gripe with that is you see defenders do that all the time and win free kicks when it's obvious they were looking for a cheap way out having got themselves in a sticky situation.
Agree in general though - 10 games in, 21 points, 2nd, 1 point off top, top or near top of plenty of stats rankings, think we'd have all taken that if presented sans context in July. Frustrating when you pick through individual games (the ref genuinely robbing us of a win against Barnsley, the collapse in discipline and composure today and last week) but have to say we're in a good position to kick on now rather than trying to figure out the best way to make up ground.
Harness started where he finished last week for me - not enough care taken in possession, lost his footing too many times from rushing and trying to do two steps in one, cheap loss of possession into lunge into yellow daft. Poor mistake from Fridge, just go out to Davis. The Plymouth player had anticipated the pass he actually made and it was a gift despite the good finish that followed.
Best thing after this is a home double header next week. 6 points would have everyone forgetting the recent disappointment. |
I'm a bit baffled by this idea they're given all the time but a few slate Chaplin angle I have to say. The guy clearly smashes him over at the end so if the ref sees nothing doing prior, it's still a run of the mill foul. They won countless free kicks looking for it, this seems an odd blindspot although I'm happy to look at this slow motion evidence too.
Last week was arguably the worst of the lot because of what it does to Wednesday and it was so obviously offside and the officials bottle it. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:46 - Sep 25 with 1347 views | urbanblue |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:30 - Sep 25 by Mullet |
He sent him over and made no attempt to play the ball. If we'd have done that to Ennis and Jackson pounced we'd be laughing about how lucky we've been. |
Definitely not a foul on Chaplin IMV.
You make a very good point about Morsey and Evans being on yellows which may have held them back a little. In fact Evans made another of those challenges from behind late in the game and was lucky he was so far behind he didn't get near the player. May well have pulled out actually.
I think with the bookings, defending a lead, it would probably be wise to bring Ball on for one of them.
I am frustrated that in both games the Substitutions just seemed to weaken us. Just before Ladapo had played a lovely pass down the line to Jackson and we came close to scoring. Not sure why we needed to change things at that stage.
1 point out of 6 against promotion rivals is very disappointing. Let's hope we can pick it up next week. |  | | |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:48 - Sep 25 with 1336 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Its never a foul, Chaplin just stopped right in front of him |  |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:49 - Sep 25 with 1321 views | Mullet |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:46 - Sep 25 by urbanblue |
Definitely not a foul on Chaplin IMV.
You make a very good point about Morsey and Evans being on yellows which may have held them back a little. In fact Evans made another of those challenges from behind late in the game and was lucky he was so far behind he didn't get near the player. May well have pulled out actually.
I think with the bookings, defending a lead, it would probably be wise to bring Ball on for one of them.
I am frustrated that in both games the Substitutions just seemed to weaken us. Just before Ladapo had played a lovely pass down the line to Jackson and we came close to scoring. Not sure why we needed to change things at that stage.
1 point out of 6 against promotion rivals is very disappointing. Let's hope we can pick it up next week. |
I still see nothing dissimilar to the one Toto gave away at Accrington and the bloke was backing into him before he smashes him forward with a forearm. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:56 - Sep 25 with 1261 views | LankHenners |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:45 - Sep 25 by Mullet |
I'm a bit baffled by this idea they're given all the time but a few slate Chaplin angle I have to say. The guy clearly smashes him over at the end so if the ref sees nothing doing prior, it's still a run of the mill foul. They won countless free kicks looking for it, this seems an odd blindspot although I'm happy to look at this slow motion evidence too.
Last week was arguably the worst of the lot because of what it does to Wednesday and it was so obviously offside and the officials bottle it. |
I thought it was an obvious foul in real time but with the replay of the closer angle you can see Chaplin's doing his bit to back into the contact so playing on is the right call. Their guy is going in for the header and if someone backs into you as you're doing that there's not a lot you can do. As I say that sort of challenge isn't officiated particularly consistently but even if he was unfairly wiped out it's not why we lost. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:57 - Sep 25 with 1246 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:46 - Sep 25 by urbanblue |
Definitely not a foul on Chaplin IMV.
You make a very good point about Morsey and Evans being on yellows which may have held them back a little. In fact Evans made another of those challenges from behind late in the game and was lucky he was so far behind he didn't get near the player. May well have pulled out actually.
I think with the bookings, defending a lead, it would probably be wise to bring Ball on for one of them.
I am frustrated that in both games the Substitutions just seemed to weaken us. Just before Ladapo had played a lovely pass down the line to Jackson and we came close to scoring. Not sure why we needed to change things at that stage.
1 point out of 6 against promotion rivals is very disappointing. Let's hope we can pick it up next week. |
Morsy gets booked so early in games too. 3 of his 4 this season have come before 25 minutes has been on the clock. Not ideal for a player of his style. | | | |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:01 - Sep 25 with 1204 views | Mullet |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:56 - Sep 25 by LankHenners |
I thought it was an obvious foul in real time but with the replay of the closer angle you can see Chaplin's doing his bit to back into the contact so playing on is the right call. Their guy is going in for the header and if someone backs into you as you're doing that there's not a lot you can do. As I say that sort of challenge isn't officiated particularly consistently but even if he was unfairly wiped out it's not why we lost. |
Yeah, but the ref's watching it in real time and is never seeing that. Inviting contact is as old as the hills and still makes it a foul. We've seen it all season and before that and before that, I get the moral argument but in real terms the bloke takes the bait and fouls him is the most sympathetic reading of that scenario.
Otherwise we are arguing about simulation and bookings needing to happen every time etc. I think the frustration at the result is clouding things a lot reading some of the versions in different threads. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:02 - Sep 25 with 1185 views | Mullet |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 15:57 - Sep 25 by tractorboy1978 |
Morsy gets booked so early in games too. 3 of his 4 this season have come before 25 minutes has been on the clock. Not ideal for a player of his style. |
His was a red all day and had Plymouth not been given the free kick bizarrely so was the one on Evans by their captain. Likewise Mumba's so not sure if this the ref trying to even it out just being sh1t repeatedly. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:07 - Sep 25 with 1143 views | LankHenners |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:01 - Sep 25 by Mullet |
Yeah, but the ref's watching it in real time and is never seeing that. Inviting contact is as old as the hills and still makes it a foul. We've seen it all season and before that and before that, I get the moral argument but in real terms the bloke takes the bait and fouls him is the most sympathetic reading of that scenario.
Otherwise we are arguing about simulation and bookings needing to happen every time etc. I think the frustration at the result is clouding things a lot reading some of the versions in different threads. |
Can't agree I'm afraid. The ref's right in front of it and calls it right.
Had it been given a foul then it wouldn't be that controversial a call given the context you say but I can't see what 'bait' he's taking when the player he's challenging for a header decides to squat down and back into him. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:16 - Sep 25 with 1092 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:02 - Sep 25 by Mullet |
His was a red all day and had Plymouth not been given the free kick bizarrely so was the one on Evans by their captain. Likewise Mumba's so not sure if this the ref trying to even it out just being sh1t repeatedly. |
He’d turned away before Mumba’s, so didn’t see it. You could see it on the replay on Sky.
A lot of mewling today. It’s disappointing to throw 3 points, so I get that. But we’ll be alright if we carry on as we are. It’s an old cliché, but everyone will drop points at some point and there’s a long way to go. The table means nothing at the moment, so all this talk of dropping a place is meaningless. |  |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:38 - Sep 25 with 1023 views | Vegtablue |
Must agree with others that it wasn't a foul for my money - looked to me like Chaplin initiated contact without trying to compete for the ball. Like much of your post though! | | | |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 17:28 - Sep 25 with 867 views | Mullet |
| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 16:16 - Sep 25 by Swansea_Blue |
He’d turned away before Mumba’s, so didn’t see it. You could see it on the replay on Sky.
A lot of mewling today. It’s disappointing to throw 3 points, so I get that. But we’ll be alright if we carry on as we are. It’s an old cliché, but everyone will drop points at some point and there’s a long way to go. The table means nothing at the moment, so all this talk of dropping a place is meaningless. |
Yeah I saw he wasn't looking but I was more making the point of applying consistency etc. Think there's a lot of lashing out and people being quick to panic after so long down here.
October we have Morecambe and Port Vale away. There's every reason to think we can go unbeaten looking at the fixtures and allay those anxieties. Let alone put a bit of distance on a few teams. | |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 17:40 - Sep 25 with 820 views | waveneyblue |
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| Losing finally, 1 in 10, that's not terrible in isolation on 18:24 - Sep 25 with 722 views | tractordownsouth |
That wasn't a foul on Chaplin. It was a bit like the build-up to the second goal last week when Iorfa knocked the ball past Leigh from one yard, ran into him and the Wednesday fans started screaming for a free kick. He went looking for the foul when it wasn't there. |  |
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