| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill 19:02 - Oct 19 with 2809 views | textbackup |
For us to stay over the night? So hotel costs, for them, for our entire squad and staff…
In my 37 years, just WTF, that can’t be right? |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:06 - Oct 19 with 2761 views | SitfcB |
£25 a ticket for Bracknell by Zx1988 19 Oct 2022 18:34That seems a little far-fetched to me, but it's true.
s22(a) of this year's rules states:
The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling (and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs).
Later on in the rules it states that a hotel stay can be expensed if agreed between the two clubs, or upon application of the visiting club to the Professional Game Board (s22(a)(i-ii)). Although ITFC probably wouldn't meet the criteria unless agreed between the two clubs, as they'd need to have to leave Portman Road before 8am in order to arrive 90mins pre-kick off in order to justify a hotel stay (s22(a)(iii)).
Seems like a massive PR open goal for ITFC here...
It’s a rule, doesn’t mean to say we can’t reimburse them once it’s done and over. I knew of some sort of expenses rule but didn’t realise if was implemented at this sort of level. |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:07 - Oct 19 with 2739 views | FrimleyBlue |
Yep that Is correct. Also they pay certain milage for all 3 officials which can cost a bit depending on who the FA assign as its not normally someone local in the fa cup games of course. |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:12 - Oct 19 with 2671 views | clive_baker |
Feels ridiculous, but I think it’s actually designed to protect smaller clubs. Imagine if it’s the other way around and a skint club gets a small draw miles from home, they might be out of pocket having to fund their own accommodation. |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:13 - Oct 19 with 2678 views | PhilTWTD |
No, it's not correct. The travelling costs, hotel etc come out of the overall take before the split between the clubs and the FA, which is 45-45-10. As with the ticket thing yesterday, he may be referring to the rules in the preliminary rounds.
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:20 - Oct 19 with 2581 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:06 - Oct 19 by SitfcB |
£25 a ticket for Bracknell by Zx1988 19 Oct 2022 18:34That seems a little far-fetched to me, but it's true.
s22(a) of this year's rules states:
The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling (and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs).
Later on in the rules it states that a hotel stay can be expensed if agreed between the two clubs, or upon application of the visiting club to the Professional Game Board (s22(a)(i-ii)). Although ITFC probably wouldn't meet the criteria unless agreed between the two clubs, as they'd need to have to leave Portman Road before 8am in order to arrive 90mins pre-kick off in order to justify a hotel stay (s22(a)(iii)).
Seems like a massive PR open goal for ITFC here...
It’s a rule, doesn’t mean to say we can’t reimburse them once it’s done and over. I knew of some sort of expenses rule but didn’t realise if was implemented at this sort of level. |
Gate receipts, after the expenses of putting on the match are deducted, are split three ways. 45% to each of the clubs plus 10% to FA.
The cost of the away team getting to a game is a legitimate expense.
When Cambridge Utd took Man Utd to a replay in the FA Cup there were reports it was worth £1,000,000 to them.
Not sure how TV money is split. |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:20 - Oct 19 with 2573 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:13 - Oct 19 by PhilTWTD |
No, it's not correct. The travelling costs, hotel etc come out of the overall take before the split between the clubs and the FA, which is 45-45-10. As with the ticket thing yesterday, he may be referring to the rules in the preliminary rounds.
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Think that's what he might mean Phil. Need a bit income first to be able to cover certain things before the rest of the splits.
I'd assume he'd also need to increase the public liability insurance for the match too etc and other costs not really put in place for step 3. | |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:22 - Oct 19 with 2560 views | SheffordBlue |
These are the specific rules on Hotel expenses from (iii) aren't there:
Hotel Expenses
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(i) Where agreement concerning hotel accommodation has been reached, Clubs must confirm the agreement in writing on the Match Arrangement Form.
(ii) Where mutual agreement concerning hotel accommodation cannot be reached, and the Visiting Club considers it necessary or desirable to claim hotel expenses, written application must be made to The Association with a copy to the Home Club at least seven days in advance of the first match. The Professional Game Board shall have the power at its absolute discretion whether or not to grant permission.
(iii) The grounds for making such an application are that it would be necessary for the Visiting Club to leave its headquarters before 8.00am on the day of the match in order to arrive at the venue for the match no less than 90 minutes prior to the scheduled kick-off, based on reasonable travel time only (determined by reference to the AA Route Planner service) and including a stop of not more than 45 minutes. Expenses, which may be claimed, if actually incurred, shall not exceed £120.00 per person for up to 25 persons in the Qualifying Competition and up to 30 persons in the Competition Proper.
(iv) A Club that has been granted hotel expenses by The Association must stay within a 30 mile radius of the ground where the match will be played.
(v) In a replayed match any such permission must be sought within 24 hours of the original match. |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:25 - Oct 19 with 2539 views | Zx1988 |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:22 - Oct 19 by SheffordBlue |
These are the specific rules on Hotel expenses from (iii) aren't there:
Hotel Expenses
25
(i) Where agreement concerning hotel accommodation has been reached, Clubs must confirm the agreement in writing on the Match Arrangement Form.
(ii) Where mutual agreement concerning hotel accommodation cannot be reached, and the Visiting Club considers it necessary or desirable to claim hotel expenses, written application must be made to The Association with a copy to the Home Club at least seven days in advance of the first match. The Professional Game Board shall have the power at its absolute discretion whether or not to grant permission.
(iii) The grounds for making such an application are that it would be necessary for the Visiting Club to leave its headquarters before 8.00am on the day of the match in order to arrive at the venue for the match no less than 90 minutes prior to the scheduled kick-off, based on reasonable travel time only (determined by reference to the AA Route Planner service) and including a stop of not more than 45 minutes. Expenses, which may be claimed, if actually incurred, shall not exceed £120.00 per person for up to 25 persons in the Qualifying Competition and up to 30 persons in the Competition Proper.
(iv) A Club that has been granted hotel expenses by The Association must stay within a 30 mile radius of the ground where the match will be played.
(v) In a replayed match any such permission must be sought within 24 hours of the original match. |
Indeed.
So unless Bracknell have agreed with ITFC that they'll foot the costs for a hotel - and why on earth would they do that?! - they should only be having to deduct ITFC's mileage from the takings. | |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:32 - Oct 19 with 2506 views | clive_baker |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:13 - Oct 19 by PhilTWTD |
No, it's not correct. The travelling costs, hotel etc come out of the overall take before the split between the clubs and the FA, which is 45-45-10. As with the ticket thing yesterday, he may be referring to the rules in the preliminary rounds.
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Think that’s what he’s saying. Needs tickets at £25 if they’re only going to get 2,000 fans in there and quite a high level of deductions (ie Town’s travel costs). As you say, they aren’t footing the bill. Those costs come out of the pot before the proceeds are split between the clubs.
Can’t blame them for maximising their payday to be fair, they could’ve sold out at £50 but dare say wouldn’t have been a good look for the club. | |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:39 - Oct 19 with 2444 views | PhilTWTD |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:32 - Oct 19 by clive_baker |
Think that’s what he’s saying. Needs tickets at £25 if they’re only going to get 2,000 fans in there and quite a high level of deductions (ie Town’s travel costs). As you say, they aren’t footing the bill. Those costs come out of the pot before the proceeds are split between the clubs.
Can’t blame them for maximising their payday to be fair, they could’ve sold out at £50 but dare say wouldn’t have been a good look for the club. |
I don't think they get to set the price themselves, the two clubs and the FA have to agree. Doesn't sound like there's been a lot of discussion with Town given the tweet.
You might be right, he might well be talking about the overall take being reduced and then in turn his club's, but slightly different to the bills being footed from Bracknell's share. | | | |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:40 - Oct 19 with 2419 views | PhilTWTD |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:39 - Oct 19 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think they get to set the price themselves, the two clubs and the FA have to agree. Doesn't sound like there's been a lot of discussion with Town given the tweet.
You might be right, he might well be talking about the overall take being reduced and then in turn his club's, but slightly different to the bills being footed from Bracknell's share. |
On which note, the chairman has just liked my tweet.
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:54 - Oct 19 with 2282 views | xrayspecs |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:20 - Oct 19 by Pinewoodblue |
Gate receipts, after the expenses of putting on the match are deducted, are split three ways. 45% to each of the clubs plus 10% to FA.
The cost of the away team getting to a game is a legitimate expense.
When Cambridge Utd took Man Utd to a replay in the FA Cup there were reports it was worth £1,000,000 to them.
Not sure how TV money is split. |
I suspect that their owner meant that the hotel costs, along with other additional costs, need to be paid out of their ticket receipts, rather than being funded exclusively by the home side.
Town's hotel bill could be around £5-10k, depending on the size of the travelling party and how much additional space they need to hire. Football clubs tend not to mingle with regular punters so will also hire event spaces, so that they can eat and socialise separately. | | | |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 20:08 - Oct 19 with 2222 views | Ely_Blue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:07 - Oct 19 by FrimleyBlue |
Yep that Is correct. Also they pay certain milage for all 3 officials which can cost a bit depending on who the FA assign as its not normally someone local in the fa cup games of course. |
Talking of local, given that it’s not a million miles away from Frimley that you’ll be going to the game? |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 20:12 - Oct 19 with 2183 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:07 - Oct 19 by FrimleyBlue |
Yep that Is correct. Also they pay certain milage for all 3 officials which can cost a bit depending on who the FA assign as its not normally someone local in the fa cup games of course. |
Still, it's good to see Shane Martin from the Aussie A-League get his break in the UK |  |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 21:37 - Oct 19 with 1878 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 20:08 - Oct 19 by Ely_Blue |
Talking of local, given that it’s not a million miles away from Frimley that you’ll be going to the game? |
Yup, ticket already sorted. buzzing. | |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 21:40 - Oct 19 with 1844 views | Ely_Blue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 21:37 - Oct 19 by FrimleyBlue |
Yup, ticket already sorted. buzzing. |
Ah the tickets that aren’t on sale yet! 🎣 | |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 21:43 - Oct 19 with 1803 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 21:40 - Oct 19 by Ely_Blue |
Ah the tickets that aren’t on sale yet! 🎣 |
You're having to buy one? good luck. see you there.... | |
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| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 08:37 - Oct 20 with 1343 views | Radlett_blue |
| Bracknell owner just tweeted they foot the bill on 19:32 - Oct 19 by clive_baker |
Think that’s what he’s saying. Needs tickets at £25 if they’re only going to get 2,000 fans in there and quite a high level of deductions (ie Town’s travel costs). As you say, they aren’t footing the bill. Those costs come out of the pot before the proceeds are split between the clubs.
Can’t blame them for maximising their payday to be fair, they could’ve sold out at £50 but dare say wouldn’t have been a good look for the club. |
The TV income will be useful to Bracknell. You would think that travel and hotel costs should be capped or else a small club could end up by losing money on a tie. This is a powerful argument for the 1st & 2nd rounds of the FA Cup going back to regionalisation between North & South, as used to happen. This obviously wouldn't have changed Bracknell v Town, but would stop the huge travelling distances such as Ebbsfleet v Halifax. Also increases the potential for interesting little local derbies & will increase fan attendance. |  |
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