| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 14:23 - Nov 29 with 2126 views | HARRY10 |
Intentionally misleading headline by the media, as the inference is that they are now follows of some other mumbo jumbo
More accurately would be the percentage who attend or take part in said mumbo jumbo - as the low numbers there would not be a surprise to any of us. |  | |  |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 14:25 - Nov 29 with 2113 views | clive_baker |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 14:23 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
Intentionally misleading headline by the media, as the inference is that they are now follows of some other mumbo jumbo
More accurately would be the percentage who attend or take part in said mumbo jumbo - as the low numbers there would not be a surprise to any of us. |
How is it misleading? |  |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 14:59 - Nov 29 with 2058 views | HARRY10 |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 14:25 - Nov 29 by clive_baker |
How is it misleading? |
'Christians now a minority in England and Wales for first time' | | | |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:06 - Nov 29 with 2054 views | clive_baker |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 14:59 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
'Christians now a minority in England and Wales for first time' |
Depends how you read it I guess. The headline on that link is 'Less than half of England and Wales population Christian'. I would read it as there's less Christians than non-Christians, which appears to be what the census is saying. [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 15:08]
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:11 - Nov 29 with 2022 views | HARRY10 |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:06 - Nov 29 by clive_baker |
Depends how you read it I guess. The headline on that link is 'Less than half of England and Wales population Christian'. I would read it as there's less Christians than non-Christians, which appears to be what the census is saying. [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 15:08]
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"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
That ambiguity is where the misleading is.
The inference being that other religions have over taken Christianity
Why single out one religion ? Why not state that .....believe in religion is now in the minority ? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 15:37]
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:36 - Nov 29 with 1975 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
I was surprised it wasn't lower already. Covid probably played its part in that. I can't help but feel that lots of people who were christened but have no other affiliation to Christianity have just been ticking "Christian" for decades, pumping the numbers up.
That's quite a white British perspective though, as the only Christians I know of my age are from African, Carribbean, Eastern European or Southeast Asian families. Those minority populations have all grown so you would think that the drop off is particularly severe among white British.
Anecdotally, all of the white British Christians I knew as a child have renounced their faith due to discovering their sexuality and not being able to square that circle with the religion they inherited from their parents.
Can't say I see the demise of organised religion as particularly bad news, however, I do think it goes some way to explaining a breakdown of community values. Not because religion is the only or even an effective way of bringing people together, but because nothing of any virtue has taken it's place. It's all part of a wider trend of us becoming more isolated and individualistic. | |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:40 - Nov 29 with 1947 views | Blueschev |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:11 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
That ambiguity is where the misleading is.
The inference being that other religions have over taken Christianity
Why single out one religion ? Why not state that .....believe in religion is now in the minority ? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 15:37]
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Because that's the story? That previously the majority of English and Welsh citizens identified as Christian, and for the first time that is no longer the case. I fail to see how that's controversial in any way? |  | | |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:41 - Nov 29 with 1945 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:11 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
That ambiguity is where the misleading is.
The inference being that other religions have over taken Christianity
Why single out one religion ? Why not state that .....believe in religion is now in the minority ? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 15:37]
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Probably because the number of people that believe in religion is not in the minority |  |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:16 - Nov 29 with 1866 views | HARRY10 |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:40 - Nov 29 by Blueschev |
Because that's the story? That previously the majority of English and Welsh citizens identified as Christian, and for the first time that is no longer the case. I fail to see how that's controversial in any way? |
No, that is how the findings have been presented via the headline - one that is intentionally provocative.
Why not post a headline that points to a lower number who now see themselves as religious ?
"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
Nothing to suggest it might be that those who previously stated they were Christian no longer do, but that those who do have been replaced by other religions | | | |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:30 - Nov 29 with 1855 views | homer_123 |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:16 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
No, that is how the findings have been presented via the headline - one that is intentionally provocative.
Why not post a headline that points to a lower number who now see themselves as religious ?
"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
Nothing to suggest it might be that those who previously stated they were Christian no longer do, but that those who do have been replaced by other religions |
Well - that headline isn't wrong as such is it.
"The proportion of people who said they were Christian was 46.2%, down from 59.3% in the last census in 2011."
The article then goes on to clearly state in the very next paragraph:
"In contrast the number who said they had no religion increased to 37.2% of the population, up from a quarter."
As I said in my OP, the takeaway is that very third para in the article. |  |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:36 - Nov 29 with 1837 views | Cotty |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:11 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
That ambiguity is where the misleading is.
The inference being that other religions have over taken Christianity
Why single out one religion ? Why not state that .....believe in religion is now in the minority ? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 15:37]
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Because it isn't? 63% still state they have a belief.
And the inference is yours, I don't see an implication. |  | | |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:37 - Nov 29 with 1825 views | Keno |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:36 - Nov 29 by Cotty |
Because it isn't? 63% still state they have a belief.
And the inference is yours, I don't see an implication. |
and the remaining 47% have an issue working out percentages |  |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:39 - Nov 29 with 1810 views | Cotty |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:16 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
No, that is how the findings have been presented via the headline - one that is intentionally provocative.
Why not post a headline that points to a lower number who now see themselves as religious ?
"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
Nothing to suggest it might be that those who previously stated they were Christian no longer do, but that those who do have been replaced by other religions |
That's completely in your own head. | | | |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:47 - Nov 29 with 1771 views | HARRY10 |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:39 - Nov 29 by Cotty |
That's completely in your own head. |
Reasoned argument doesn't seem to be one of your strongest points.
That the rest of the article is at odds with the headline merely underlines my point.
The headlines used are misleading. That is obvious.
Whether that is intentional or not is a moot point | | | |
| You don't half talk some crap Harry. (n/t) on 16:48 - Nov 29 with 1773 views | Bloots |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:11 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
"Less than half of England and Wales population Christian"
That ambiguity is where the misleading is.
The inference being that other religions have over taken Christianity
Why single out one religion ? Why not state that .....believe in religion is now in the minority ? [Post edited 29 Nov 2022 15:37]
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:51 - Nov 29 with 1762 views | Oldsmoker |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 14:23 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
Intentionally misleading headline by the media, as the inference is that they are now follows of some other mumbo jumbo
More accurately would be the percentage who attend or take part in said mumbo jumbo - as the low numbers there would not be a surprise to any of us. |
You have blasphemed against the religion of Mumbo Jumbo.
You have desecrated the number 10 which is sacred to our religion and cannot be used so I pronounce fatwa on your sorry a*se. |  |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:59 - Nov 29 with 1739 views | HARRY10 |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:51 - Nov 29 by Oldsmoker |
You have blasphemed against the religion of Mumbo Jumbo.
You have desecrated the number 10 which is sacred to our religion and cannot be used so I pronounce fatwa on your sorry a*se. |
Fatwa ?
That is fattist, or is it body shavin
I call upon our lord, Harry Krisna,* to smote you and all your tribe
*or is it Harry Chrisma, at this time of year ? | | | |
| You don't half talk some crap Harry. (n/t) on 17:07 - Nov 29 with 1727 views | Dubtractor |
| You don't half talk some crap Harry. (n/t) on 16:48 - Nov 29 by Bloots |
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He finds arguments, often with people who share the same worldview as him, in a way that even Mach must admire. |  |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:11 - Nov 29 with 1705 views | chicoazul |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 15:36 - Nov 29 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I was surprised it wasn't lower already. Covid probably played its part in that. I can't help but feel that lots of people who were christened but have no other affiliation to Christianity have just been ticking "Christian" for decades, pumping the numbers up.
That's quite a white British perspective though, as the only Christians I know of my age are from African, Carribbean, Eastern European or Southeast Asian families. Those minority populations have all grown so you would think that the drop off is particularly severe among white British.
Anecdotally, all of the white British Christians I knew as a child have renounced their faith due to discovering their sexuality and not being able to square that circle with the religion they inherited from their parents.
Can't say I see the demise of organised religion as particularly bad news, however, I do think it goes some way to explaining a breakdown of community values. Not because religion is the only or even an effective way of bringing people together, but because nothing of any virtue has taken it's place. It's all part of a wider trend of us becoming more isolated and individualistic. |
The demise of organised religion, specifically Christianity, may well be bad news given pretty much all our latter-day morality is based upon it. I agree with most everything else you say. |  |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:18 - Nov 29 with 1694 views | Oldsmoker |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:59 - Nov 29 by HARRY10 |
Fatwa ?
That is fattist, or is it body shavin
I call upon our lord, Harry Krisna,* to smote you and all your tribe
*or is it Harry Chrisma, at this time of year ? |
You challenge us to a smote?
Surely, you mean smoke.
An ounce of Holy Ganga each to see who can fly will settle who's a plumper. | |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:28 - Nov 29 with 1672 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:11 - Nov 29 by chicoazul |
The demise of organised religion, specifically Christianity, may well be bad news given pretty much all our latter-day morality is based upon it. I agree with most everything else you say. |
That's very true, can't disagree with you. Not sure there is much hope of replacing that with some sort of civic moral code either. Maybe they'll make ethics part of the curriculum? | |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:29 - Nov 29 with 1663 views | chicoazul |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:28 - Nov 29 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
That's very true, can't disagree with you. Not sure there is much hope of replacing that with some sort of civic moral code either. Maybe they'll make ethics part of the curriculum? |
An American chum of mine says the fact they don’t teach Civics anymore is behind all the problems in the States, which is much the same really. | |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:30 - Nov 29 with 1662 views | factual_blue |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 16:37 - Nov 29 by Keno |
and the remaining 47% have an issue working out percentages |
Do they have an issue working out percentages 110% of the time? |  |
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| You don't half talk some crap Harry. (n/t) on 17:39 - Nov 29 with 1623 views | factual_blue |
| You don't half talk some crap Harry. (n/t) on 17:07 - Nov 29 by Dubtractor |
He finds arguments, often with people who share the same worldview as him, in a way that even Mach must admire. |
No he doesn't. | |
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| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:41 - Nov 29 with 1617 views | Oldsmoker |
| Less than half of England and Wales population Christian, Census 2021 shows on 17:11 - Nov 29 by chicoazul |
The demise of organised religion, specifically Christianity, may well be bad news given pretty much all our latter-day morality is based upon it. I agree with most everything else you say. |
Hmmmmm.
The 10 commandments, which are pretty much common sense for a large community to get along, are Old Testament/Judaism which is a long time before Jesus so not based on Christianity. | |
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