| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then 18:34 - Dec 13 with 2794 views | gtsb1966 |
with his statement on immigration otherwise there would be uproar on here. Seriously though I don't like this government at all but have to agree with them today.....for once. |  | | |  |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:40 - Dec 13 with 2524 views | XYZ |
Wasn't it just a load of red meat for the racists?
Sounded like the "proposals" clearly broke international obligations the UK has signed up for.
The tories won't solve the migrant "problem" - they love being able to scapegoat them. 12 years of tories ... guess what?
They want a migrant problem; they want a failing NHS; they want state employees to have continually falling real-terms pay; they want train strikes .... etc ... etc
It's not accidental. |  | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:44 - Dec 13 with 2492 views | SpruceMoose |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:40 - Dec 13 by XYZ |
Wasn't it just a load of red meat for the racists?
Sounded like the "proposals" clearly broke international obligations the UK has signed up for.
The tories won't solve the migrant "problem" - they love being able to scapegoat them. 12 years of tories ... guess what?
They want a migrant problem; they want a failing NHS; they want state employees to have continually falling real-terms pay; they want train strikes .... etc ... etc
It's not accidental. |
"Wasn't it just a load of red meat for the racists?"
Bingo. I knew that there would be a few on here loving it. |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:49 - Dec 13 with 2465 views | Dubtractor |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:40 - Dec 13 by XYZ |
Wasn't it just a load of red meat for the racists?
Sounded like the "proposals" clearly broke international obligations the UK has signed up for.
The tories won't solve the migrant "problem" - they love being able to scapegoat them. 12 years of tories ... guess what?
They want a migrant problem; they want a failing NHS; they want state employees to have continually falling real-terms pay; they want train strikes .... etc ... etc
It's not accidental. |
The whole anti strike thing from them, and the way they are trying to paint the strikers as 'anti family' or 'anti working people' is woefully misjudged. In a lot of cases these are the sort of working class people that voted for Johnson in 2019 and got them their landslide - and they are basically demonising them.
You only have to look at the comments under any tory MP's tweet on the subject to see that people just don't agree with them - there are literally no comments supporting the MPs views. |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:50 - Dec 13 with 2460 views | gtsb1966 |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:40 - Dec 13 by XYZ |
Wasn't it just a load of red meat for the racists?
Sounded like the "proposals" clearly broke international obligations the UK has signed up for.
The tories won't solve the migrant "problem" - they love being able to scapegoat them. 12 years of tories ... guess what?
They want a migrant problem; they want a failing NHS; they want state employees to have continually falling real-terms pay; they want train strikes .... etc ... etc
It's not accidental. |
You don't agree with the Albanian fast tracking then? | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:01 - Dec 13 with 2379 views | HARRY10 |
Trying to break international law, to cover up years of mismanagement, brexit and to distract from failure in every other area of government.
So what is it that concerns you about these naughty foreigners ? The numbers /
Well given that there are hundreds of thousands of EU citizens who have left, it cannot be that. Perhaps iy si the colour of their skin, or that they are taking something that is yours ?
No one will die as a result of them being here, whereas UK folk will. And such is the underfunded mess these shysters have got us into some fellow in Wales had to be taken to A&E in a van, strapped to a plank of wood. Kids are going hungry, old folk hungry and cold, but hey who cares.
Naughty Abdul is here.... along with 100,000 (?) Ukrainianians, but they have a white face ...... so it is OK | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:11 - Dec 13 with 2375 views | SpruceMoose |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:50 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
You don't agree with the Albanian fast tracking then? |
Are you not disappointed then? You were on here saying to send them all straight back. | |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:17 - Dec 13 with 2368 views | gtsb1966 |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:11 - Dec 13 by SpruceMoose |
Are you not disappointed then? You were on here saying to send them all straight back. |
Albanian is a safe country. No need for thousands of Albanian men to come here. | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:21 - Dec 13 with 2339 views | SpruceMoose |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:17 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
Albanian is a safe country. No need for thousands of Albanian men to come here. |
How are you going to sort the asylum seekers from the economic migrants if we're 'sending them straight back'?
Novotel injunction rejected by gtsb1966 12 Nov 2022 19:22Genuine asylum seekers, Albanian men or economic migrants? On the subject of the Albanians and economic migrants, just send them straight back. Had enough now of seeing them roll up expecting everything whilst British people struggle. Enough is enough.
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:24 - Dec 13 with 2309 views | HARRY10 |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:17 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
Albanian is a safe country. No need for thousands of Albanian men to come here. |
It is a relatively poor country. the UK has thousands of job vacancies - I think there is every reason for them to come here, just as the tens of thousands of non EU workers who come here do
Is the shortage of hospital beds, ambulance drivers, care workers, nurses etc, which is posing a serious risk to the health of vulnerable people in the UK, caused by Albanian migrants ? | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:42 - Dec 13 with 2286 views | gtsb1966 |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:21 - Dec 13 by SpruceMoose |
How are you going to sort the asylum seekers from the economic migrants if we're 'sending them straight back'?
Novotel injunction rejected by gtsb1966 12 Nov 2022 19:22Genuine asylum seekers, Albanian men or economic migrants? On the subject of the Albanians and economic migrants, just send them straight back. Had enough now of seeing them roll up expecting everything whilst British people struggle. Enough is enough.
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If you come from a safe country like Albanian and enter illegally you should be sent back. Why is it just Albanian men? Why are the highest number of foreign criminals in British prisons Albanian. Not hard to work out is it. You can argue all you like but Albania is a safe country and therefore there is no reason for boat loads of men to try and enter Britain ILLEGALLY. I won't change my views and you and a few others won't change yours in that we should welcome everyone no matter what. We'll leave it there otherwise we go round in circles and it's pointless when I'm correct. | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:51 - Dec 13 with 2232 views | GlasgowBlue |
Sunak did bad. People who cross the Channel will be banned from seeking asylum. There are no safe routes for refugees to reach the UK, so they risk their lives crossing the chanel and put their safety in the hands of criminal people smugglers.
There is no incentive to claim asylum so they will just disappear into the black market. If they could legally claim asylum, and their claim was successful, they could legally work and contribute to the economy. |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:55 - Dec 13 with 2225 views | SpruceMoose |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:42 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
If you come from a safe country like Albanian and enter illegally you should be sent back. Why is it just Albanian men? Why are the highest number of foreign criminals in British prisons Albanian. Not hard to work out is it. You can argue all you like but Albania is a safe country and therefore there is no reason for boat loads of men to try and enter Britain ILLEGALLY. I won't change my views and you and a few others won't change yours in that we should welcome everyone no matter what. We'll leave it there otherwise we go round in circles and it's pointless when I'm correct. |
Well thanks to Section 40 of the Nationality and Borders Act, I believe that it's now technically illegal to enter the UK to claim asylum. Can you picture a more inhumane thing though? Not only that, but it's simply stupid and impractical. For one thing, imagine the added burden on the courts if they need to prosecute people seeking asylum, let alone the issue of finding somewhere to imprison them once convicted?
I believe claiming asylum should be a human right. Now, you may not, but the reality is that people will come, and once they are here, would you seek to deny the people who are in genuine need of asylum?
If the answer is 'No' then obviously there is a need to evaluate applications. How can that be done if everyone is 'sent straight back'?
If the answer is 'Yes' then clearly you are against the concept of asylum in general, which would be a pretty disappointing worldview to hold in my opinion, and not one that most people would agree with.
So, it's a bit more nuanced than the afternoon drinkers in Wetherspoons would have us believe. Luckily most modern countries aren't run from a table in Wetherspoons at 2pm and humans are as such tended to be treated, well, humanely, despite the worst efforts of the elected government.
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 20:01 - Dec 13 with 2205 views | XYZ |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 18:50 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
You don't agree with the Albanian fast tracking then? |
I believe it was confirmed as illegal less than 12 months ago when the tories last said they'd do it. | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 21:11 - Dec 13 with 2062 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I think most normal people have just started assuming that everything that passes their lips is either outright lies or double bluff |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 21:13 - Dec 13 with 2054 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:42 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
If you come from a safe country like Albanian and enter illegally you should be sent back. Why is it just Albanian men? Why are the highest number of foreign criminals in British prisons Albanian. Not hard to work out is it. You can argue all you like but Albania is a safe country and therefore there is no reason for boat loads of men to try and enter Britain ILLEGALLY. I won't change my views and you and a few others won't change yours in that we should welcome everyone no matter what. We'll leave it there otherwise we go round in circles and it's pointless when I'm correct. |
People seeking asylum can only* enter illegally. That’s the problem. We’re criminalising asylum seekers. You don’t seem to under other people’s views either, as I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone on here suggest we should welcome everyone no matter what.
(*with the exception of a few very limited schemes for a very few countries). |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 23:28 - Dec 13 with 1935 views | HARRY10 |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:42 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
If you come from a safe country like Albanian and enter illegally you should be sent back. Why is it just Albanian men? Why are the highest number of foreign criminals in British prisons Albanian. Not hard to work out is it. You can argue all you like but Albania is a safe country and therefore there is no reason for boat loads of men to try and enter Britain ILLEGALLY. I won't change my views and you and a few others won't change yours in that we should welcome everyone no matter what. We'll leave it there otherwise we go round in circles and it's pointless when I'm correct. |
So it's now down to the old 'make it up instead' ploy
It is NOT illegal t enter a country to seek asylum
Nobody has said we should welcome everyone - once again that is you making up stuff (lying) as you have no defensible argument. Much as with brexiters. A sad refection on the stupidity of some voters.
Whether these people have a valid claim for asylum,or not is for others to decide (immigration. However the situation is not helped by people like you lying, and over exiting yourself about something that smacks of naked racism.
As to changing anyone's mind that merely highlights your closed mind, much as with religious cranks and other nutters. Argument that is based on a lie is one cranks might use, but would cry to high heaven were they to be found guilty by the same means in a court of law. | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 23:52 - Dec 13 with 1910 views | factual_blue |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:17 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
Albanian is a safe country. No need for thousands of Albanian men to come here. |
Somebody should write a comedy drama series about some economic migrants leaving their benighted homeland to earn a crust in a more prosperous country.
They could be, perhaps, builders. They could go to, for example, Germany to earn more money than they could at home.
We could call it Auf Wiedersehn Darling. Or something like that. |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 00:01 - Dec 14 with 1895 views | HARRY10 |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 23:52 - Dec 13 by factual_blue |
Somebody should write a comedy drama series about some economic migrants leaving their benighted homeland to earn a crust in a more prosperous country.
They could be, perhaps, builders. They could go to, for example, Germany to earn more money than they could at home.
We could call it Auf Wiedersehn Darling. Or something like that. |
Or maybe a comedy about a small minded bigot who objected to folk with brown faces coming to work in the UK, perhaps call him Alf
whose ignorance has only been matched recently by brexiters
Alf claimed that God is English..... because the bible is written in English | | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 10:26 - Dec 14 with 1618 views | Blueschev |
He was deliberately misleading the public, as is the norm for his terrible party. If somebody's asylum application is still being processed then they are not here illegally.
It's all dog whistle nonsense of the lowest kind. Disgusting. |  | | |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 10:49 - Dec 14 with 1514 views | DJR |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:42 - Dec 13 by gtsb1966 |
If you come from a safe country like Albanian and enter illegally you should be sent back. Why is it just Albanian men? Why are the highest number of foreign criminals in British prisons Albanian. Not hard to work out is it. You can argue all you like but Albania is a safe country and therefore there is no reason for boat loads of men to try and enter Britain ILLEGALLY. I won't change my views and you and a few others won't change yours in that we should welcome everyone no matter what. We'll leave it there otherwise we go round in circles and it's pointless when I'm correct. |
It sounds like what you are saying is that you are more than happy for non-Albanian migrants to enter by boat.
It seems to me that Albanians have become the new scapegoats, just like the Poles were the scapegoats in the lead up to JBrexit.
Of course, it is probably easier to scapegoat a group which is white, when the underlying views of many who scapegoat them is that they don't like non-white immigration, if the comments on the Mail website are anything to go by.
The sad thing is that state of the country is such that the climate of hate, whipped up especially by the media but also by the use by politicians of terms like "invader", has led, for example, to Azeem Rafiq and his family being driven out of the country, merely for the having the audacity to raise the question of racism in cricket.
Interestingly, Germany absorbed 1 million refugees a few years ago, but it put in place proper measures to cope with this, and recognised the need Germany had for more people. [Post edited 14 Dec 2022 10:50]
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 11:08 - Dec 14 with 1463 views | Ryorry |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:55 - Dec 13 by SpruceMoose |
Well thanks to Section 40 of the Nationality and Borders Act, I believe that it's now technically illegal to enter the UK to claim asylum. Can you picture a more inhumane thing though? Not only that, but it's simply stupid and impractical. For one thing, imagine the added burden on the courts if they need to prosecute people seeking asylum, let alone the issue of finding somewhere to imprison them once convicted?
I believe claiming asylum should be a human right. Now, you may not, but the reality is that people will come, and once they are here, would you seek to deny the people who are in genuine need of asylum?
If the answer is 'No' then obviously there is a need to evaluate applications. How can that be done if everyone is 'sent straight back'?
If the answer is 'Yes' then clearly you are against the concept of asylum in general, which would be a pretty disappointing worldview to hold in my opinion, and not one that most people would agree with.
So, it's a bit more nuanced than the afternoon drinkers in Wetherspoons would have us believe. Luckily most modern countries aren't run from a table in Wetherspoons at 2pm and humans are as such tended to be treated, well, humanely, despite the worst efforts of the elected government.
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"Luckily most modern countries aren't run from a table in Wetherspoons at 2pm
It reveals just how bad things are when you feel that, actually, things in the UK might be better if it was run from a table in Weatherspoons at 2pm rather than from Westminster all day & evening 😢 |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 11:17 - Dec 14 with 1441 views | Ryorry |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 19:51 - Dec 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Sunak did bad. People who cross the Channel will be banned from seeking asylum. There are no safe routes for refugees to reach the UK, so they risk their lives crossing the chanel and put their safety in the hands of criminal people smugglers.
There is no incentive to claim asylum so they will just disappear into the black market. If they could legally claim asylum, and their claim was successful, they could legally work and contribute to the economy. |
On top of the overwhelming humanitarian argument for asylum seekers, the way this govt. mishandles the economic aspect is so bizarrely contradictory isn't it. They seem incapable of understanding how much the UK needs keyworkers, & how valuable these migrants could be in filling the gaps in agriculture, transport & the NHS etc., thereby also boosting the economy in the process.
Perhaps they fear it would highlight the calamity of Brexit - as if the vast majority of the public can't see that for themselves (even if they won't admit it). | |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 11:23 - Dec 14 with 1436 views | J2BLUE |
Sunak is scum.
The Tories need to be destroyed at the next election. Not just beaten, but absolutely decimated so badly they have zero chance of returning for a generation. |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 12:20 - Dec 14 with 1363 views | jeera |
| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 23:52 - Dec 13 by factual_blue |
Somebody should write a comedy drama series about some economic migrants leaving their benighted homeland to earn a crust in a more prosperous country.
They could be, perhaps, builders. They could go to, for example, Germany to earn more money than they could at home.
We could call it Auf Wiedersehn Darling. Or something like that. |
Not 'See ya later Fraulein'? |  |
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| I'm assuming Sunak did good today then on 12:47 - Dec 14 with 1318 views | Pinewoodblue |
They have a cunning plan. Albanians make up a third of those crossing the channel illegally so they are going to have Border control officers at Tirana Airport.
You couldn’t make it up. |  |
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