| Toney betting 21:53 - Feb 28 with 2759 views | Crawfordsboot |
How dumb is that!
I hope he doesn’t expect sympathy however it’s a bit rich for the FA to come down hard on players whilst they accept millions in sponsorship from the gambling industry. |  | | |  |
| Toney betting on 22:18 - Feb 28 with 2594 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I think I get your point but the issue is that he has both inside knowledge and potentially the ability to influence outcomes. It is that which lies behind the reason players are banned from gambling on football. They are allowed to gamble on anything else. However, clubs might be advised to help players before they end up in the situation the likes of Merson and Chopra did.
I have no idea how Toney ended up doing what he has done, but I would be amazed if he wasn't fully aware that he was not allowed to do so.
For what it's worth, I am opposed to gambling generally. |  |
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| Toney betting on 23:00 - Feb 28 with 2478 views | Illinoisblue |
No sympathy for him. He’s been around long enough to know better. And there’s precedent here which suggests he could be in for a very lengthy ban.
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| Toney betting on 23:06 - Feb 28 with 2446 views | LankHenners |
Admitted to a lot of them but contesting some apparently. Severity of punishment depends on what exactly he's being charged with in relation to what the bets were. Tough to see a situation where he isn't banned for a decent chunk of time, mind. |  |
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| Toney betting on 23:42 - Feb 28 with 2340 views | MattinLondon |
Clubs and the FA also accept millions of pounds from alcohol companies but you wouldn’t expect players to play whilst pissed.
Players know the rules regarding gambling and he did it anyway. |  | | |
| Toney betting on 00:41 - Mar 1 with 2257 views | BasingstokeBlue |
| Toney betting on 23:42 - Feb 28 by MattinLondon |
Clubs and the FA also accept millions of pounds from alcohol companies but you wouldn’t expect players to play whilst pissed.
Players know the rules regarding gambling and he did it anyway. |
False dichotomy.
Players influencing the outcome of games doesn't benefit the sponsor (unless they, too, are in on the scam). |  |
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| Toney betting on 06:10 - Mar 1 with 2132 views | chicoazul |
What if he was suffering from a gambling addiction? |  |
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| Toney betting on 06:53 - Mar 1 with 2076 views | BlueBadger |
| Toney betting on 06:10 - Mar 1 by chicoazul |
What if he was suffering from a gambling addiction? |
You'd be insisting that it was a made up illness? |  |
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| Toney betting on 07:51 - Mar 1 with 1968 views | CityBlue |
compared to what the owner of Brentford is gambling this is nothing - yet the FA wont take a stance against the owner... |  |
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| Toney betting on 07:54 - Mar 1 with 1942 views | homer_123 |
A great name for a betting company that. |  |
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| Toney betting on 08:17 - Mar 1 with 1869 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Toney betting on 07:54 - Mar 1 by homer_123 |
A great name for a betting company that. |
And if the company was based in Switzerland, I know just the guy for the ads.
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| Toney betting on 09:16 - Mar 1 with 1759 views | Guthrum |
| Toney betting on 06:10 - Mar 1 by chicoazul |
What if he was suffering from a gambling addiction? |
He should know not to bet on football matches. Could have satisfied his addiction with any other sport. |  |
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| Toney betting on 09:21 - Mar 1 with 1740 views | unbelievablue |
| Toney betting on 09:16 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
He should know not to bet on football matches. Could have satisfied his addiction with any other sport. |
He should know better, but so should any addict, and addiction doesn't necessarily work like that, I'm afraid.
I was addicted to betting on horse racing, had absolutely no interest in roulette or cards or those FOBTs. He may have been the same. |  |
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| Toney betting on 09:36 - Mar 1 with 1664 views | Guthrum |
| Toney betting on 09:21 - Mar 1 by unbelievablue |
He should know better, but so should any addict, and addiction doesn't necessarily work like that, I'm afraid.
I was addicted to betting on horse racing, had absolutely no interest in roulette or cards or those FOBTs. He may have been the same. |
Tho he was under the rules not to bet on football before he was legally old enough to gamble, so he shouldn't have been able to develop the habit which leads to addiction (in that specific direction, rather than any other sport). | |
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| Toney betting on 09:37 - Mar 1 with 1643 views | unbelievablue |
| Toney betting on 09:36 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
Tho he was under the rules not to bet on football before he was legally old enough to gamble, so he shouldn't have been able to develop the habit which leads to addiction (in that specific direction, rather than any other sport). |
That's fair. He's made bad decisions. I do have empathy and some sympathy. | |
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| Toney betting on 09:51 - Mar 1 with 1571 views | Guthrum |
| Toney betting on 09:37 - Mar 1 by unbelievablue |
That's fair. He's made bad decisions. I do have empathy and some sympathy. |
Indeed. I have a friend who is addicted to gambling on horses and have seen the damage that can do (especially the money drain and the lies to cover it up). | |
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| Toney betting on 10:10 - Mar 1 with 1494 views | JakeITFC |
Annoyingly I had quite a nice wager on him playing for England before the end of 2023 (placed when he was at Peterborough) which looks set to be scuppered by this, Alanis Morissette would be having a field day. |  | | |
| Toney betting on 10:13 - Mar 1 with 1488 views | SomethingBlue |
Don't forget too that footballers are young lads surrounded by this stuff and frequently asked to plug it, or plug products endorsing it. It's a poison. |  |
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| Toney betting on 10:14 - Mar 1 with 1477 views | chicoazul |
| Toney betting on 09:16 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
He should know not to bet on football matches. Could have satisfied his addiction with any other sport. |
I’m given to understand that is very much not how addiction works. | |
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| Toney betting on 10:40 - Mar 1 with 1396 views | Guthrum |
| Toney betting on 10:14 - Mar 1 by chicoazul |
I’m given to understand that is very much not how addiction works. |
Addiction comes from a habit crossing the line into a compulsion*. But it's a habit he shouldn't have acquired, being too young to legally gamble when he came under the rules about professional footballers not betting on their own sport.
* Sometimes chemically assisted. | |
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| Toney betting on 10:43 - Mar 1 with 1359 views | chicoazul |
| Toney betting on 10:40 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
Addiction comes from a habit crossing the line into a compulsion*. But it's a habit he shouldn't have acquired, being too young to legally gamble when he came under the rules about professional footballers not betting on their own sport.
* Sometimes chemically assisted. |
I….see. Does addiction discriminate in that way? Or is it his own fault? | |
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| Toney betting on 10:51 - Mar 1 with 1293 views | Guthrum |
| Toney betting on 10:43 - Mar 1 by chicoazul |
I….see. Does addiction discriminate in that way? Or is it his own fault? |
It's not a case of addiction discriminating, but of how he got the bug of gambling on football (rather than any other sport) in the first place. I don't think an addiction entirely absolves Toney from having gone down that path, when there are specific rules in place.
There can be lots of reasons for succumbing to temptation (peer pressure, boredom having too much money, etc.), but, as unbelievablue said, he made a bad decision. | |
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| Toney betting on 11:58 - Mar 1 with 1194 views | unbelievablue |
| Toney betting on 10:51 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
It's not a case of addiction discriminating, but of how he got the bug of gambling on football (rather than any other sport) in the first place. I don't think an addiction entirely absolves Toney from having gone down that path, when there are specific rules in place.
There can be lots of reasons for succumbing to temptation (peer pressure, boredom having too much money, etc.), but, as unbelievablue said, he made a bad decision. |
This sort of discussion tends to end up debating culpability of addicts (e.g. the extent to which they should be blamed or punished for their actions whilst in the midst of addiction). It's tricky, obviously, but never black and white.
I don't think there's any issue with these two things being true simultaneously:
- x made a bad decision(s)
- x has an illness and needs help | |
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| Toney betting on 12:06 - Mar 1 with 1137 views | jaykay |
| Toney betting on 23:00 - Feb 28 by Illinoisblue |
No sympathy for him. He’s been around long enough to know better. And there’s precedent here which suggests he could be in for a very lengthy ban.
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peter swan served 6 months in prison for a betting scandal , involving the town
sorry about the link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9173671/Hard-man-Peter-Swan-s |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Toney betting on 12:19 - Mar 1 with 1113 views | Radlett_blue |
There still seems to be no news as to whether Toney was betting on games where he could influence the outcome, or just making random football bets. Both are against the rules, but the first offence is more serious because of the implications for the integrity of the game. Received wisdom is that he islooking at a 6 month ban so obviously Brentford want this done ASAP so that he missed the rest of this season & the summer, but not too much of next season. |  |
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