| Johnson 08:42 - Mar 2 with 5723 views | Herbivore |
Comes out of this exchange very well I think, doesn't at all seem like a dim-witted sociopath:
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| Johnson on 08:53 - Mar 2 with 3653 views | DanTheMan |
The comment about the 80 year old is pretty shocking.
Also, the fact he clearly doesn't understand basic maths. |  |
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| Johnson on 09:00 - Mar 2 with 3621 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Johnson on 08:53 - Mar 2 by DanTheMan |
The comment about the 80 year old is pretty shocking.
Also, the fact he clearly doesn't understand basic maths. |
He was quite happy to inflict twice the damage on the economy in order to become PM. The man's an utter fraud. If we're going to have inquiries, we need one on how a tool like him could find his way into Number 10. |  |
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| Johnson on 09:07 - Mar 2 with 3576 views | StokieBlue |
At least there were two adults involved in the conversation I guess, although by the end only one of them could muster the stamina to respond to the idiotic questions.
Must have been very hard for Whitty and JVT having to deal with this shower on a daily basis.
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| Johnson on 09:07 - Mar 2 with 3578 views | DJR |
Actually Matt Hancock comes out of this exchange fairly well.
I do really think think that examination of these What's App messages in isolation is not the way to properly get to the bottom of things, not least because they tell only part of the story.
It has also to be borne in mind that there will always be discussions behind the scenes before a decision is made.
The WhatsApp messages are, however, dynamite for those who wish to push any particular agenda. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 9:10]
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| Johnson on 09:09 - Mar 2 with 3547 views | StokieBlue |
| Johnson on 09:07 - Mar 2 by DJR |
Actually Matt Hancock comes out of this exchange fairly well.
I do really think think that examination of these What's App messages in isolation is not the way to properly get to the bottom of things, not least because they tell only part of the story.
It has also to be borne in mind that there will always be discussions behind the scenes before a decision is made.
The WhatsApp messages are, however, dynamite for those who wish to push any particular agenda. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 9:10]
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It's probably the most transparent way to see what happened, people (especially idiots like this lot) are more likely to say what they actually think or show their stupidity on a platform such as Whatsapp.
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| Johnson on 09:15 - Mar 2 with 3515 views | DanTheMan |
| Johnson on 09:07 - Mar 2 by DJR |
Actually Matt Hancock comes out of this exchange fairly well.
I do really think think that examination of these What's App messages in isolation is not the way to properly get to the bottom of things, not least because they tell only part of the story.
It has also to be borne in mind that there will always be discussions behind the scenes before a decision is made.
The WhatsApp messages are, however, dynamite for those who wish to push any particular agenda. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 9:10]
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If they were actually interested in transparency, the messages would have been released to multiple partners and publicly searchable so everyone can see the same stuff and things in context. Similar to how it was done with Panama papers and related releases.
But they aren't actually interested in that, not really. | |
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| Johnson on 09:19 - Mar 2 with 3495 views | Guthrum |
Sometimes wonder how he managed to pass Greats at Oxford, a notoriously tough degree. Perhaps he just has an aptitude for languages. |  |
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| Johnson on 09:21 - Mar 2 with 3479 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 09:15 - Mar 2 by DanTheMan |
If they were actually interested in transparency, the messages would have been released to multiple partners and publicly searchable so everyone can see the same stuff and things in context. Similar to how it was done with Panama papers and related releases.
But they aren't actually interested in that, not really. |
I suppose the ironic thing is that the WhatApp messages are now being used by to support two completely opposite points of view, the first that the lockdown was too harsh, the second that it wasn't harsh enough. | | | |
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| Johnson on 09:23 - Mar 2 with 3460 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 09:19 - Mar 2 by Guthrum |
Sometimes wonder how he managed to pass Greats at Oxford, a notoriously tough degree. Perhaps he just has an aptitude for languages. |
Yep, he's certainly not a patch on the several people in my former office with Greats to their name. | | | |
| Johnson on 09:37 - Mar 2 with 3366 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 09:07 - Mar 2 by DJR |
Actually Matt Hancock comes out of this exchange fairly well.
I do really think think that examination of these What's App messages in isolation is not the way to properly get to the bottom of things, not least because they tell only part of the story.
It has also to be borne in mind that there will always be discussions behind the scenes before a decision is made.
The WhatsApp messages are, however, dynamite for those who wish to push any particular agenda. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 9:10]
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Hancock definitely looks more sensible than Johnson in this particular exchange, which is more of a damning indictment of Johnson than anything else. | |
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| Johnson on 09:37 - Mar 2 with 3367 views | leitrimblue |
| Johnson on 09:23 - Mar 2 by DJR |
Yep, he's certainly not a patch on the several people in my former office with Greats to their name. |
I've dealt with quiet a people with that qualification through the years and found many of um to be Johnson like. (Mainly senior members of English Heritage and academia) Really not the brightest, which is tad surprising at first when you consider the highly privileged education they have had |  | | |
| Johnson on 09:39 - Mar 2 with 3335 views | bluelagos |
| Johnson on 09:21 - Mar 2 by DJR |
I suppose the ironic thing is that the WhatApp messages are now being used by to support two completely opposite points of view, the first that the lockdown was too harsh, the second that it wasn't harsh enough. |
Think you're argument is way too binary there.
For example many argue that the lockdowns were needed but were brought in too late, thus leading to needless deaths and to longer than necessary restrictions.
Johnson dithered when firm action was needed and it now seems clear his attitude to old people was incredibly laisse faire. His grasp of simple maths was embarrassing.
To have Johnson, Hancock and Williamson in key positions ...thankfully Witty, Valence and Cummings were around but nonetheless I think the late lockdowns will be shown to have cost 10s of thousands of life's sadly. |  |
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| Johnson on 09:45 - Mar 2 with 3273 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 09:39 - Mar 2 by bluelagos |
Think you're argument is way too binary there.
For example many argue that the lockdowns were needed but were brought in too late, thus leading to needless deaths and to longer than necessary restrictions.
Johnson dithered when firm action was needed and it now seems clear his attitude to old people was incredibly laisse faire. His grasp of simple maths was embarrassing.
To have Johnson, Hancock and Williamson in key positions ...thankfully Witty, Valence and Cummings were around but nonetheless I think the late lockdowns will be shown to have cost 10s of thousands of life's sadly. |
Some of the early estimates around lockdown delay put excess deaths as a result in the tens of thousands and it meant a higher, longer peak, which ultimately meant longer lockdowns/restrictions than would have been needed with an earlier lockdown. Not sure if much more work has been done on this yet, but when we could see what was happening in Italy and we still dithered it was pure madness. | |
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| Johnson on 09:54 - Mar 2 with 3239 views | bluelagos |
| Johnson on 09:45 - Mar 2 by Herbivore |
Some of the early estimates around lockdown delay put excess deaths as a result in the tens of thousands and it meant a higher, longer peak, which ultimately meant longer lockdowns/restrictions than would have been needed with an earlier lockdown. Not sure if much more work has been done on this yet, but when we could see what was happening in Italy and we still dithered it was pure madness. |
That first lockdown, basically the people locked down ahead of the politicians.
Around 1/3 of kids were being kept off school, sporting events were being cancelled by sporting administrators before the govt restrictions, get yer head round that!
All on the back of watching Skynews and seeing what was coming... | |
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| Johnson on 09:55 - Mar 2 with 3229 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 09:39 - Mar 2 by bluelagos |
Think you're argument is way too binary there.
For example many argue that the lockdowns were needed but were brought in too late, thus leading to needless deaths and to longer than necessary restrictions.
Johnson dithered when firm action was needed and it now seems clear his attitude to old people was incredibly laisse faire. His grasp of simple maths was embarrassing.
To have Johnson, Hancock and Williamson in key positions ...thankfully Witty, Valence and Cummings were around but nonetheless I think the late lockdowns will be shown to have cost 10s of thousands of life's sadly. |
I certainly agree about late lockdowns being perhaps the key element when it comes to deaths but I would argue that this is evidence of a lack of harshness. And there are lots of others factors such as a lack of preparedness and an unwillingness to consider improved ventilation in schools and the like. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 10:01]
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| Johnson on 09:56 - Mar 2 with 3222 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 09:54 - Mar 2 by bluelagos |
That first lockdown, basically the people locked down ahead of the politicians.
Around 1/3 of kids were being kept off school, sporting events were being cancelled by sporting administrators before the govt restrictions, get yer head round that!
All on the back of watching Skynews and seeing what was coming... |
Indeed, the Premier League showed greater public health awareness and sound judgement than the government. That's pretty damning. | |
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| Johnson on 09:59 - Mar 2 with 3199 views | bluelagos |
| Johnson on 09:56 - Mar 2 by Herbivore |
Indeed, the Premier League showed greater public health awareness and sound judgement than the government. That's pretty damning. |
Wasn't just the Premier league. I'll try and dig out the BBC timeline of what sporting events got canned/when.
Organisers were ditching running events etc. Meanwhile we were told not to go to pubs, but pubs were allowed to stay open...
Was called out by many at the time as utter lunacy. | |
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| Johnson on 10:02 - Mar 2 with 3173 views | bluelagos |
| Johnson on 09:59 - Mar 2 by bluelagos |
Wasn't just the Premier league. I'll try and dig out the BBC timeline of what sporting events got canned/when.
Organisers were ditching running events etc. Meanwhile we were told not to go to pubs, but pubs were allowed to stay open...
Was called out by many at the time as utter lunacy. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51605235 | |
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| Johnson on 10:09 - Mar 2 with 3091 views | clive_baker |
Imagine having a PM who needs to be taught what 0.04 is as a percentage. |  |
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| Johnson on 10:12 - Mar 2 with 3120 views | giant_stow |
Just by the by, what a hateful snake that Oakshott is. I bet she screws over that fella she's seeing at some point too.
Anyway, carry on. |  |
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| Johnson on 10:14 - Mar 2 with 3106 views | Ryorry |
| Johnson on 09:19 - Mar 2 by Guthrum |
Sometimes wonder how he managed to pass Greats at Oxford, a notoriously tough degree. Perhaps he just has an aptitude for languages. |
Probably just like he "achieved" everything else in his life - cheated, bribed or grifted it (perhaps with the aid of his father who was a role model for such things).
Contemptible, both of them. |  |
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| Johnson on 10:17 - Mar 2 with 3082 views | WD19 |
| Johnson on 08:53 - Mar 2 by DanTheMan |
The comment about the 80 year old is pretty shocking.
Also, the fact he clearly doesn't understand basic maths. |
Disappointing lack of Gifs and bants. Must be the dullest work WhatsApp out there. |  | | |
| Johnson on 10:21 - Mar 2 with 3050 views | Ryorry |
| Johnson on 09:39 - Mar 2 by bluelagos |
Think you're argument is way too binary there.
For example many argue that the lockdowns were needed but were brought in too late, thus leading to needless deaths and to longer than necessary restrictions.
Johnson dithered when firm action was needed and it now seems clear his attitude to old people was incredibly laisse faire. His grasp of simple maths was embarrassing.
To have Johnson, Hancock and Williamson in key positions ...thankfully Witty, Valence and Cummings were around but nonetheless I think the late lockdowns will be shown to have cost 10s of thousands of life's sadly. |
You know how shockingly bad it was when you have to write "thankfully ... Cummings (was) around ..." 😂 | |
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| Johnson on 11:29 - Mar 2 with 2702 views | Churchman |
| Johnson on 09:09 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue |
It's probably the most transparent way to see what happened, people (especially idiots like this lot) are more likely to say what they actually think or show their stupidity on a platform such as Whatsapp.
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I am not so sure. The media have a habit of taking a piece of information from somewhere and presenting it out of context or as something it isn’t to write a story. I’ve seen it done first hand too many times.
There needs to be an independent public enquiry on this, if that’s at all possible. In the meantime, Select Committees are pretty good at looking at things. The Chairperson tends to be extremely capable, well briefed, independent and utterly ruthless if somebody tries to pull the wool over their eyes.
The Select Committee members vary in their interest and capability from excellent to utter shysters. They’re available to watch on Parliamentary tv, usually last two hours and for the right topic worth a watch.
That was my experience of them, anyway. |  | | |
| Johnson on 13:39 - Mar 2 with 2485 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 11:29 - Mar 2 by Churchman |
I am not so sure. The media have a habit of taking a piece of information from somewhere and presenting it out of context or as something it isn’t to write a story. I’ve seen it done first hand too many times.
There needs to be an independent public enquiry on this, if that’s at all possible. In the meantime, Select Committees are pretty good at looking at things. The Chairperson tends to be extremely capable, well briefed, independent and utterly ruthless if somebody tries to pull the wool over their eyes.
The Select Committee members vary in their interest and capability from excellent to utter shysters. They’re available to watch on Parliamentary tv, usually last two hours and for the right topic worth a watch.
That was my experience of them, anyway. |
This is my view too, and actually we have a public inquiry, the terms of reference of which seem fairly broad.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-covid-19-inquiry-terms-of-referenc
The interesting thing is that unlike the Butler Report into WMDs (which didn't look at the role of politicians), we now have a PM who probably wouldn't mind one of his predecessors getting the flack, just as he has been happy to distance himself from Truss.
So let's hope we get something as independent and frank as the Chilcott Inquiry into the Iraq war but not with the same delay (2016). | | | |
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