| It's all going swimmingly well up here 18:31 - Feb 23 with 5377 views | GlasgowBlue |
in the SNP leadership election.
Following on from Humza Yousaf saying that although a proud Muslim, he would never use his faith “as a basis of legislation” and then bering found to have "missed" the vote on gay marriage, Kate Forbes campaigning as if she was in the Bible belt trying to be elected as the Republican Presidential candidate, we now have 'the unity candidate's' chief advisor saying that Nicola Sturgeon was ‘up to her dark eyes’ in a ‘coverup’.
Independence? You're having a laugh. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:31]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:41 - Feb 23 with 2769 views | J2BLUE |
At least Kate Forbes has been honest about it. Knowing it will likely cost her the job. As much as I disagree with the things the likes of her come out with, it's better to be honest tan lie about it. |  |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:45 - Feb 23 with 2753 views | itfcjoe |
A horror show of a leadership contest - good news for everyone bar the Nats
Been sone interesting discussions re religion in politics this week |  |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:52 - Feb 23 with 2743 views | BlueBadger |
Who'd have thought that a party who's key policy was based around hollow nationalism and fantasy economics would be full of bigots and loons? [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:55]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:53 - Feb 23 with 2726 views | BlueBadger |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:41 - Feb 23 by J2BLUE |
At least Kate Forbes has been honest about it. Knowing it will likely cost her the job. As much as I disagree with the things the likes of her come out with, it's better to be honest tan lie about it. |
'At least she is honest about her bigotry' is quite a low bar for 'better'. | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:56 - Feb 23 with 2717 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Vote for independence and then get one of your conservative parties in innit. |  |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:56 - Feb 23 with 2715 views | BlueBadger |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:52 - Feb 23 by BlueBadger |
Who'd have thought that a party who's key policy was based around hollow nationalism and fantasy economics would be full of bigots and loons? [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:55]
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On a more serious note, an old mate of my old man's is an SNP lifer and is genuinely despairing of what's going on here at the moment | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:56 - Feb 23 with 2716 views | BlueBadger |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:56 - Feb 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Vote for independence and then get one of your conservative parties in innit. |
Like you did? | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:57 - Feb 23 with 2708 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:52 - Feb 23 by BlueBadger |
Who'd have thought that a party who's key policy was based around hollow nationalism and fantasy economics would be full of bigots and loons? [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:55]
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I hope you are prepared for the “I can’t see any bigotry here because I support their ideology”. |  | | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:59 - Feb 23 with 2676 views | HARRY10 |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:41 - Feb 23 by J2BLUE |
At least Kate Forbes has been honest about it. Knowing it will likely cost her the job. As much as I disagree with the things the likes of her come out with, it's better to be honest tan lie about it. |
it's more a case of there's not much chance of denying it, as opposed to it being some gesture towards honesty.
And so given the lunacy of her 'belief' she would be better suited to the Tories. But I suspect they offered little in the way of advancement that she joined the SNP.
I would suggest that we have seen the high water mark of the SNP and it will slip back. Other than some imagined world of Braveheart, Jimmy Steward and the Edinburgh tattoo all rolled into one there is not much else going for it.....other than the ever present grievance against the English.
Whether the infighting reaches the levels of the Tories in England remains to be seen. But Sturgeons resignation is not the cause of this schism, it is a consequence of it. | | | |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:00 - Feb 23 with 2699 views | tractordownsouth |
It’s been the Salmond and Sturgeon party for 15 years which made it difficult for anyone to build a profile, a bit like how New Labour was too centred around Blair and Brown.
For all of Sturgeon’s faults, she’s a tough act to follow. Having a leadership debates exposes all of the cultural issues under the nationalist umbrella. Plaid Cymru and the wider Yes Cymru movement has had similar problems with internal rifts over the gender debate. |  |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:04 - Feb 23 with 2677 views | J2BLUE |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:53 - Feb 23 by BlueBadger |
'At least she is honest about her bigotry' is quite a low bar for 'better'. |
No argument. I'm not saying she's good. Just that it's good she didn't lie about it, get the job and then use her religion to try and rule over other people's lives. | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:13 - Feb 23 with 2600 views | belgablue |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:52 - Feb 23 by BlueBadger |
Who'd have thought that a party who's key policy was based around hollow nationalism and fantasy economics would be full of bigots and loons? [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:55]
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Hmm, I've seen this somewhere before... |  |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:26 - Feb 23 with 2544 views | BlueBadger |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:57 - Feb 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I hope you are prepared for the “I can’t see any bigotry here because I support their ideology”. |
They just have Very Real Concerns. | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:28 - Feb 23 with 2543 views | BlueBadger |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:04 - Feb 23 by J2BLUE |
No argument. I'm not saying she's good. Just that it's good she didn't lie about it, get the job and then use her religion to try and rule over other people's lives. |
Although if had had the job, she would have done, given that she she's stated that she would have voted against gay marriage. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 19:32]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:31 - Feb 23 with 2531 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:56 - Feb 23 by BlueBadger |
Like you did? |
Nice try but doesn't stack up...but well done on helping to ensure no real alternatives are currently available. | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:35 - Feb 23 with 2494 views | BlueBadger |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:31 - Feb 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nice try but doesn't stack up...but well done on helping to ensure no real alternatives are currently available. |
Don't blame me, fo this mess, I didn't vote on the same side as a bunch free-market obsessed loons and generalised bigots and subsequently usher in the politics equivalent of a banter era. | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:52 - Feb 23 with 2435 views | DJR |
Are people on here really trying to equate Muslims with bigotry?
For all it faults, the SNP has proved that it is the most progressive party in the UK, particularly given the fact that Labour appears to have given up on fighting on the right side of the culture wars (cf. Starmer's comments today on Shamima Begum).
For what it is worth, I support Scottish independence (although I don't live there) but I think that it will only come about when people of my mother's generation and younger are no longer with us.
As a result, a period in the relative wilderness (whilst still the largest party in Scotland), doesn't really matter in my view, and hopefully when the time comes, the SNP will find another leader in the mould of Sturgeon.
EDIT: The media coverage of SNP has to be seen in the context of the fact that, with the exception of the National, no media organisation in the UK supports independence, so bear that in mind whenever you come across a media report about the SNP. For example, barely a day went by when there wasn't, for example, an anti-Sturgeon article on Bing from the Daily Express.
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:06 - Feb 23 with 2392 views | Swansea_Blue |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:52 - Feb 23 by DJR |
Are people on here really trying to equate Muslims with bigotry?
For all it faults, the SNP has proved that it is the most progressive party in the UK, particularly given the fact that Labour appears to have given up on fighting on the right side of the culture wars (cf. Starmer's comments today on Shamima Begum).
For what it is worth, I support Scottish independence (although I don't live there) but I think that it will only come about when people of my mother's generation and younger are no longer with us.
As a result, a period in the relative wilderness (whilst still the largest party in Scotland), doesn't really matter in my view, and hopefully when the time comes, the SNP will find another leader in the mould of Sturgeon.
EDIT: The media coverage of SNP has to be seen in the context of the fact that, with the exception of the National, no media organisation in the UK supports independence, so bear that in mind whenever you come across a media report about the SNP. For example, barely a day went by when there wasn't, for example, an anti-Sturgeon article on Bing from the Daily Express.
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Welsh Labour is fairly progressive too, I’d argue.
Nationalising railways
8-14% NHS pay award this year (with prompt resolution of strikes) versus 3.5% offer in England
Free prescriptions
Abandonment of PFI
No smoking/plastic bag rules (with Scotland an N Ireland)
NFP public services (water) - although I don’t know how much of that is down to govt intervention [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 20:22]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:14 - Feb 23 with 2369 views | BlueBadger |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:52 - Feb 23 by DJR |
Are people on here really trying to equate Muslims with bigotry?
For all it faults, the SNP has proved that it is the most progressive party in the UK, particularly given the fact that Labour appears to have given up on fighting on the right side of the culture wars (cf. Starmer's comments today on Shamima Begum).
For what it is worth, I support Scottish independence (although I don't live there) but I think that it will only come about when people of my mother's generation and younger are no longer with us.
As a result, a period in the relative wilderness (whilst still the largest party in Scotland), doesn't really matter in my view, and hopefully when the time comes, the SNP will find another leader in the mould of Sturgeon.
EDIT: The media coverage of SNP has to be seen in the context of the fact that, with the exception of the National, no media organisation in the UK supports independence, so bear that in mind whenever you come across a media report about the SNP. For example, barely a day went by when there wasn't, for example, an anti-Sturgeon article on Bing from the Daily Express.
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No, people are equating bigotry with bigotry. Particularly when the fig leaf of religion is applied. | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:23 - Feb 23 with 2314 views | DJR |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:14 - Feb 23 by BlueBadger |
No, people are equating bigotry with bigotry. Particularly when the fig leaf of religion is applied. |
Funny how a "party full of bigots and loons" has turned out turned out to be so progressive. | | | |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:39 - Feb 23 with 2253 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 19:52 - Feb 23 by DJR |
Are people on here really trying to equate Muslims with bigotry?
For all it faults, the SNP has proved that it is the most progressive party in the UK, particularly given the fact that Labour appears to have given up on fighting on the right side of the culture wars (cf. Starmer's comments today on Shamima Begum).
For what it is worth, I support Scottish independence (although I don't live there) but I think that it will only come about when people of my mother's generation and younger are no longer with us.
As a result, a period in the relative wilderness (whilst still the largest party in Scotland), doesn't really matter in my view, and hopefully when the time comes, the SNP will find another leader in the mould of Sturgeon.
EDIT: The media coverage of SNP has to be seen in the context of the fact that, with the exception of the National, no media organisation in the UK supports independence, so bear that in mind whenever you come across a media report about the SNP. For example, barely a day went by when there wasn't, for example, an anti-Sturgeon article on Bing from the Daily Express.
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As if by magic…. | | | |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 21:05 - Feb 23 with 2189 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:23 - Feb 23 by DJR |
Funny how a "party full of bigots and loons" has turned out turned out to be so progressive. |
I wouldn't say the SNP are progressive.... |  |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 21:36 - Feb 23 with 2135 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:23 - Feb 23 by DJR |
Funny how a "party full of bigots and loons" has turned out turned out to be so progressive. |
People who don’t live here see the SNP as a social democratic party who are also happen to be nationalists. Actually, they are first and foremost nationalists who have been lead recently by a social democrat.
Now she is going they are ripping themselves to shreds.
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 21:45 - Feb 23 with 2097 views | DJR |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:39 - Feb 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
As if by magic…. |
As this thread appeared to me to amount to nothing more than an anti-SNP echo chamber, I thought I'd express a contrary view.
After all, there would be no point in the general section if everyone agreed with every opening post. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 21:55]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 21:46 - Feb 23 with 2091 views | DJR |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 21:36 - Feb 23 by GlasgowBlue |
People who don’t live here see the SNP as a social democratic party who are also happen to be nationalists. Actually, they are first and foremost nationalists who have been lead recently by a social democrat.
Now she is going they are ripping themselves to shreds.
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I bet you've got the popcorn out. | | | |
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