| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal 09:37 - Mar 13 with 2433 views | Oldsmoker |
This all makes sense to me now.
Here's an article where people are saying the quiet part out loud.
This Bill by Braverman has no chance of becoming law and the Tories know it.
It doesn't matter 'cos they can/will blame the lefty wokes who oppose it for destroying the bill.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/elevenses/elevenses-exposing-the-torie |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 10:05 - Mar 13 with 1820 views | DJR |
It's all part of the culture wars, but don't forget that an earlier version of the culture wars led to Brexit.
The Tories realise that people often base their vote on issues that tug at the emotions, and for many, migrants crossing the channel is the main such issue at present.
It is why I am not wholly convinced that the Labour lead is insurmountable, especially if the cost of living crisis is no more and the Tories manage to focus the next election campaign on issues like migration. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 10:06]
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 12:09 - Mar 13 with 1722 views | bournemouthblue |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 10:05 - Mar 13 by DJR |
It's all part of the culture wars, but don't forget that an earlier version of the culture wars led to Brexit.
The Tories realise that people often base their vote on issues that tug at the emotions, and for many, migrants crossing the channel is the main such issue at present.
It is why I am not wholly convinced that the Labour lead is insurmountable, especially if the cost of living crisis is no more and the Tories manage to focus the next election campaign on issues like migration. [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 10:06]
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It hasn't taken long for Rishi to move to the darkside to try and win an election
It's quite staggering when in reality they have spent 13 years wrecking the system, they are now claiming to be strong on |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:03 - Mar 13 with 1681 views | BlueBadger |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 12:09 - Mar 13 by bournemouthblue |
It hasn't taken long for Rishi to move to the darkside to try and win an election
It's quite staggering when in reality they have spent 13 years wrecking the system, they are now claiming to be strong on |
Rishi hasn't 'moved' to the dark side, he's always been immersed in it.
He was a Brexit campaigner and a willing participant in the corruption, bigotry, corruption and criminality riddled Johnson administration and is quite happy still to indulge those elements.
He's very just slightly better at hiding it. |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:15 - Mar 13 with 1679 views | Ryorry |
"Unveiling her plans to tackle small boat crossings in the Channel the home secretary confessed that the proposals she has put forward are likely to fall foul of the European Convention on Human Rights"
Also makes unwelcome "sense" now that the PM & cronies incl. Braverman have recently been trying to remove the UK from its status as signed up to the ECHR -
https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2023/february-2023/lords-debates-retaine |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:22 - Mar 13 with 1662 views | brazil1982 |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:15 - Mar 13 by Ryorry |
"Unveiling her plans to tackle small boat crossings in the Channel the home secretary confessed that the proposals she has put forward are likely to fall foul of the European Convention on Human Rights"
Also makes unwelcome "sense" now that the PM & cronies incl. Braverman have recently been trying to remove the UK from its status as signed up to the ECHR -
https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2023/february-2023/lords-debates-retaine |
We know this simply will not work - arrive on British land by whatever means, the chances of you remaining here are very high. All this effort and money the govt keeps putting in to such schemes, will not work.
...on a side note, surely someone is analysing the sales of dinghys to northern France? Who's ordering them?! |  | | |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:34 - Mar 13 with 1609 views | Ryorry |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:22 - Mar 13 by brazil1982 |
We know this simply will not work - arrive on British land by whatever means, the chances of you remaining here are very high. All this effort and money the govt keeps putting in to such schemes, will not work.
...on a side note, surely someone is analysing the sales of dinghys to northern France? Who's ordering them?! |
"...on a side note, surely someone is analysing the sales of dinghys to northern France? Who's ordering them?!"
There was actually a recent BBC R4 docu about this, tracking the entire refugee/people smugglers trail, including where they bought the boats from, the quality of the boats (disgustingly cheapest possible of course) & those who sold them - which is regulated in many countries. The reporter posed undercover as a buyer & managed to interview one seller (might have been in Turkey, but my memory ...), recorded on a concealed mic. All sounded incredibly dangerous for the reporters, I literally applauded them at the end.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00154pl
Edit - second episode is actually this coming Friday, 18th March at 11.00am BBCR4. Maybe Gary Lineker should tweet a reminder to Braverman to listen!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0015bb3 [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 13:40]
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 15:03 - Mar 13 with 1519 views | BlueBadger |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:15 - Mar 13 by Ryorry |
"Unveiling her plans to tackle small boat crossings in the Channel the home secretary confessed that the proposals she has put forward are likely to fall foul of the European Convention on Human Rights"
Also makes unwelcome "sense" now that the PM & cronies incl. Braverman have recently been trying to remove the UK from its status as signed up to the ECHR -
https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2023/february-2023/lords-debates-retaine |
This is REAL endgame here. | |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 15:23 - Mar 13 with 1486 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 13:22 - Mar 13 by brazil1982 |
We know this simply will not work - arrive on British land by whatever means, the chances of you remaining here are very high. All this effort and money the govt keeps putting in to such schemes, will not work.
...on a side note, surely someone is analysing the sales of dinghys to northern France? Who's ordering them?! |
So basically what you're saying is the Government can't be bothered to either put a proper process in place to determine who should and who shouldn't stay, and they can't even be bothered to liaise with European law enfocement agencies to track down the traffickers running these schemes? |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 18:15 - Mar 13 with 1397 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 15:03 - Mar 13 by BlueBadger |
This is REAL endgame here. |
Absolutely. Being thwarted on their "solution" to the "migrant crisis" is the excuse that will allow the Tories to leave the European Court of Human Rights, as I have been predicting since before Brexit actually happened.
That doesn't just mean that Braverman can then build her "processing centre" in Normandy: it means that every single law that we are currently part of because we are signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights, under the Court, will be struck off.
Working Hours, Union membership and right to strike, holiday entitlement etc etc will become the subjects of "dynamic new laws" which "will guarantee Great British companies' competitive edge".
And corporate fascism will be another step further along the road.
That's before we get to other things that inconvenience the Tories like Data Protection, controls on surveillance, the right to Appeal conviction, Legal Aid, the restriction of the right to vote etc etc. Who knows where it will end?
It's all part of the end-game you refer to. |  | | |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 18:44 - Mar 13 with 1364 views | eireblue |
I wonder what will happen to the bill when it goes to the Lords.
Are there enough nonpartisan Lords to be frustrating for the government.
Imagine adding the Lords to the list of unpatriotic people. |  | | |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 19:07 - Mar 13 with 1339 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The critical phrase here is: "while they do little to actually resolve the problem in the same way as they have for the past 12 years".
If they actually dealt with the issue they have told everyone to worry about, they wouldn't win votes to deal with it.
They have no interest in actually stopping the immigrants. Their interest is in creating fear of them and then claiming to be the party that will deal with them.
It is very like their economic policies. "Watch out Labour will make a mess of the economy like they did before we came to power. In fact they made such a mess it is still getting worse even after we have had 12 years to fix it!"
Unfortunately, a lot of voters tend to accept both narratives. |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 19:29 - Mar 13 with 1325 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’ve got half an eye on Ian Dunt’s live tweets of the debate, mostly because I find it easier to stomach this government to a soundtrack of his caustic sarcasm and sweariness.
Sounds like Braverman had a ‘mare kicking things off. To make Patel look more competent and compassionate is some feat. |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 19:33 - Mar 13 with 1321 views | Plums |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 19:29 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue |
I’ve got half an eye on Ian Dunt’s live tweets of the debate, mostly because I find it easier to stomach this government to a soundtrack of his caustic sarcasm and sweariness.
Sounds like Braverman had a ‘mare kicking things off. To make Patel look more competent and compassionate is some feat. |
I tuned in to see Maybot demolish it in a very measured speech. Basically, I did this job for six years and what you're suggesting is attempting to solve the wrong problem.
Depressing stuff |  |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:05 - Mar 13 with 1301 views | DJR |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 18:44 - Mar 13 by eireblue |
I wonder what will happen to the bill when it goes to the Lords.
Are there enough nonpartisan Lords to be frustrating for the government.
Imagine adding the Lords to the list of unpatriotic people. |
It will be savaged in the Lords, which is full of people who have much higher standards than the vast majority of Tory MPs. | | | |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:06 - Mar 13 with 1296 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 19:33 - Mar 13 by Plums |
I tuned in to see Maybot demolish it in a very measured speech. Basically, I did this job for six years and what you're suggesting is attempting to solve the wrong problem.
Depressing stuff |
Yeah, Dunt was being very complimentary about May. Bizarre isn’t it? The person responsible for hostile environment and widely regarded as the most anti-immigrant/xenophobic HO Sec up to that point is now their moral compass. It’s frightening how far right they’ve lurched. | |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:15 - Mar 13 with 1272 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:06 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, Dunt was being very complimentary about May. Bizarre isn’t it? The person responsible for hostile environment and widely regarded as the most anti-immigrant/xenophobic HO Sec up to that point is now their moral compass. It’s frightening how far right they’ve lurched. |
In the context of everything that has followed May is very much a moderate in pretty much everything. It is, as you say, testimony to how far right the party has lurched.
The disturbing thing is, how far the opposition has followed it in order to keep the gap small. | |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:15 - Mar 13 with 1272 views | DJR |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:06 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, Dunt was being very complimentary about May. Bizarre isn’t it? The person responsible for hostile environment and widely regarded as the most anti-immigrant/xenophobic HO Sec up to that point is now their moral compass. It’s frightening how far right they’ve lurched. |
And even more extraordinary, Priti Patel has misgivings about the Bill.
I'm just waiting for the next Home Secretary if the proposals don't work, who will probably think Suella is a bleeding liberal. | | | |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:50 - Mar 13 with 1209 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I have just watched Yvette Cooper's speech linked within the OP article and she is superb in her use of Tory empty rhetoric slogans to show them up for the hollow vessels they are. | |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:58 - Mar 13 with 1196 views | DJR |
It looks like some Tories will abstain on Second Reading of the Bill, but the only ones who will be able to hold their head high will be those who vote against it, and I can't imagine there will be any more than a handful, if that. | | | |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 21:06 - Mar 13 with 1183 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 20:50 - Mar 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I have just watched Yvette Cooper's speech linked within the OP article and she is superb in her use of Tory empty rhetoric slogans to show them up for the hollow vessels they are. |
Yes, it was very good and they could have probably stopped there (or after May actually, as she was good too).
It sounds like it’s got to the ‘wtf’s the point any more’ stage:
@IanDunt:
In a highly contested field, Edward Leigh, Tory, makes arguably the worst speech of the night.
“They're coming to every single hotel. Every single hotel in the country is rapidly being filled up."
By the way, this moron is currently opposing the Home Office plan to set up a detention centre in his constituency. Lock them all up! But not near me.
Absolutely red-faced blithering out his own idiocy. The man's going to sh*t himself blind with cognitive inadequacy.
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 21:18 - Mar 13 with 1159 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 15:23 - Mar 13 by Ewan_Oozami |
So basically what you're saying is the Government can't be bothered to either put a proper process in place to determine who should and who shouldn't stay, and they can't even be bothered to liaise with European law enfocement agencies to track down the traffickers running these schemes? |
Yep. At the core of this, even more than their vile lack of compassion or regard for international law, is their utter incompetence. It’s the common theme that’s run through all of these administrations turbo charged by Brexit. | |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 21:20 - Mar 13 with 1153 views | Plums |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 21:18 - Mar 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep. At the core of this, even more than their vile lack of compassion or regard for international law, is their utter incompetence. It’s the common theme that’s run through all of these administrations turbo charged by Brexit. |
It's almost as though ignorant, single issue clarion calls aren't a great basis for running something complex like a country. Who'd have thought it eh? | |
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| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 21:27 - Mar 13 with 1129 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That illegal 'illegal' bill that won't become legal on 21:20 - Mar 13 by Plums |
It's almost as though ignorant, single issue clarion calls aren't a great basis for running something complex like a country. Who'd have thought it eh? |
Yep. It’s attracted some right fruit loops. Every time a Tory MP makes an arse of themselves or makes the most inane, dimwitted bullsh*t speech in parliament, it’s inevitably a 2019 intake. Run a stupid campaign using a simplistic catchphrase and you obviously attract simpletons. | |
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