| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) 14:46 - Oct 5 with 4178 views | MaySixth |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 15:01 - Oct 5 with 3460 views | Swansea_Blue |
I was bored sh*tless, but each to their own. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:16 - Oct 5 with 3358 views | J4ck22 |
Sorry but what is the point of this post other than to deliberately spark another argument? |  | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:24 - Oct 5 with 3334 views | Kieran_Knows |
I certainly appreciated the job he did in the first 2-3 years, but after that it was pretty turgid and the time was right when he went. It was only ever going to end one way after the 'them and us' situation that he was trying to create. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:28 - Oct 5 with 3321 views | Kropotkin123 |
Stockholm syndrome |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:33 - Oct 5 with 3307 views | suffolkpoker |
Easily the most successfull manager under ME. You dont mind being boring and winning but when the football being served up is dire, it quickly became boring. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:36 - Oct 5 with 3290 views | RegencyBlue |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:33 - Oct 5 by suffolkpoker |
Easily the most successfull manager under ME. You dont mind being boring and winning but when the football being served up is dire, it quickly became boring. |
Pretty low bar there! |  | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:38 - Oct 5 with 3277 views | Franzgumm |
The season he joined us, he saved us from relegation. Of course, it ended sourly, but in between he brought some pride back to the club - including a play-off campaign on a limited budget. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:42 - Oct 5 with 3259 views | pointofblue |
Mick should have left us after 2015-16. As soon as he couldn’t stand the heat from the crowd, walking would have been a better option than basically turning the club against the fans, and vice versa. But he did a good job overall, and don’t think we would have gone down under him. | |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:46 - Oct 5 with 3249 views | BiGDonnie |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:16 - Oct 5 by J4ck22 |
Sorry but what is the point of this post other than to deliberately spark another argument? |
Agreed. This has been done to death on here. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 04:23 - Oct 6 with 3003 views | IPS_wich |
Yes and no.
Only in the circumstance where the manager leaves for bigger and better things (e.g. Sirs Alf and Bobby) does a manager leave on a high; and Mick's issue was the protracted nature of his demise.
Whilst Lyall is rightly remembered for the unexpected promotion in 92 and the first two thirds of our first season in the Prem; it's often overlooked that he pretty much went AWOL from the start of 94 onwards, supposedly as Director of Football with McGiven as 'Manager' - but never really communicating what was going on. The ITFC Wikipedia doesn't even have McGiven as down as having managed Ipswich, going straight from Lyall to Goddard as caretaker and then Burley. But, almost 30 years later, most people don't think about the chaos that was the end of Lyall's tenure.
Both Burley and Royle had far more highs than lows, both left with the club on a downturn (and in the case of Burley in administration), but rarely do we look back on their time as bad times.
Mick's issue is he stayed on too long. His last year has too many negatives and conflicts with the fans for us to ever really focus on the first half of his time with us. But, let's not forget this forum organised a whip round to buy a thank you hamper for him at the end of his first season; and then the play off year was the only real highlight of the entire Evans era. So he did a lot right for 3-4 years before totally f***ing his reputation with the fans over the last 18 months.
So I wouldn't say I love the overall job he did, but I do respect it as the pinnacle of the Evans era - which given what came before and after doesn't really say much. | | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 08:49 - Oct 6 with 2875 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
He didn’t play the ‘Ipswich way’ if we are being kind. Like thousands of other fans I decided it was more entertaining and less painful to stay at home and stick pins in my eyes.
But he shouldn’t get the blame- Evans should, we should never had needed to recruit someone like MM. | | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 08:52 - Oct 6 with 2873 views | RobTheMonk |
I think he did a pretty good job with the hand he was dealt. Kept us competitive but at the cost of some turgid football.
The style of football was also on its way out. We definitely needed change, but ultimately it was a change of owner and fresh thinking we needed. To be fair to Evans, we tried it with Hurst, but that turned out to be a catastrophic failure.
We're so far beyond what we've seen from anyone that has managed us in the Championship or League 1 now though. [Post edited 6 Oct 2023 9:24]
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 09:11 - Oct 6 with 2852 views | Wickets |
The limited budget claim is pretty false as it funded Fraser, Pitman (until he got bored ) Celina Maitland Niles , Waghorn, Garner, Lawrence , McGoldrick and maybe others . He did well for a couple of years or so but his stay went on too long as we all got board . Attendances dropped through the floor We could not be bothered with cup games so no excitement there . He refused to take responsibility for his actions blamed fans , So it ended as it always does with Mick with bitterness . The day of the dino's ,Alladice Pardew, Bruce and McCarthy are well gone thank the lord . |  | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 10:13 - Oct 6 with 2801 views | J4ck22 |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 09:11 - Oct 6 by Wickets |
The limited budget claim is pretty false as it funded Fraser, Pitman (until he got bored ) Celina Maitland Niles , Waghorn, Garner, Lawrence , McGoldrick and maybe others . He did well for a couple of years or so but his stay went on too long as we all got board . Attendances dropped through the floor We could not be bothered with cup games so no excitement there . He refused to take responsibility for his actions blamed fans , So it ended as it always does with Mick with bitterness . The day of the dino's ,Alladice Pardew, Bruce and McCarthy are well gone thank the lord . |
I don't understand how that's false when most of those were loans or free transfers, while most around us were throwing millions into transfer fees alone? Those clubs still have to pay wages and signing on fees etc. | | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 10:40 - Oct 6 with 2743 views | Steve_M |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 09:11 - Oct 6 by Wickets |
The limited budget claim is pretty false as it funded Fraser, Pitman (until he got bored ) Celina Maitland Niles , Waghorn, Garner, Lawrence , McGoldrick and maybe others . He did well for a couple of years or so but his stay went on too long as we all got board . Attendances dropped through the floor We could not be bothered with cup games so no excitement there . He refused to take responsibility for his actions blamed fans , So it ended as it always does with Mick with bitterness . The day of the dino's ,Alladice Pardew, Bruce and McCarthy are well gone thank the lord . |
The comparison of budget is relative to other clubs in the division, for all but one season McCarthy had a team on a bottom third budget in the top half of the table. That's an enormous way above the performances of his predecessors and successors.
Yes, he probably stayed too long (although the first half of 17-18 was generally good) but our owner hid behind him and let him take the blame - and Mick refused to hide. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 11:24 - Oct 6 with 2707 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 10:40 - Oct 6 by Steve_M |
The comparison of budget is relative to other clubs in the division, for all but one season McCarthy had a team on a bottom third budget in the top half of the table. That's an enormous way above the performances of his predecessors and successors.
Yes, he probably stayed too long (although the first half of 17-18 was generally good) but our owner hid behind him and let him take the blame - and Mick refused to hide. |
You're not wrong. Although it's still possible to do well on a limited budget. Mick was quite limited in that regard. He made us reasonably resilient, but ever really got a handle on our attacking play. We relied very much on individual talent (Murphy, Waghorn) rather than the progressivce team pay we see under Kieran. I suspect Kieran would do better under similar circumstances (but we'll never know of course).
Agreed on ME hiding behind him though. And of course Kieran has been supported by a proactive management team. ME didn't put in place effective structures to support Mick, so he certainly was working with one hand tied behind his back.
I was bored, but at the same time you have to acknowledge the drag that ME put on this club and the difficult job his managers had. And Mick seems like a decent bloke, so it's hard to not like him. [Post edited 6 Oct 2023 14:40]
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 13:33 - Oct 6 with 2634 views | tractordownsouth |
He outperformed his budget in five out of his six seasons so overall he did a very good job and the real issue during his tenure was Evans.
The issue with managers like Mick is that you can't keep them any longer than two or three years because the football is tolerated but once results turn there's nothing to cling on to. Fans then become desperate for a different direction but you then end up having to completely revamp the squad or play a style not suited to the players you've got. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 13:39 - Oct 6 with 2629 views | MJallday |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:33 - Oct 5 by suffolkpoker |
Easily the most successfull manager under ME. You dont mind being boring and winning but when the football being served up is dire, it quickly became boring. |
That’s like saying there’s a best turd in the sewer
We played dreadful hoofball, there was no investment, no culture and under MEs reign I would suggest it was the worst years of this clubs entire existence IMO
Frankly, we were lucky not to go under . MM turned against the fans and the entire thing can only be described as toxic.
I don’t think anyone will remember those years fondly. Or if they do, they need to give their head a wobble |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 14:31 - Oct 6 with 2595 views | Bramidan |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 13:39 - Oct 6 by MJallday |
That’s like saying there’s a best turd in the sewer
We played dreadful hoofball, there was no investment, no culture and under MEs reign I would suggest it was the worst years of this clubs entire existence IMO
Frankly, we were lucky not to go under . MM turned against the fans and the entire thing can only be described as toxic.
I don’t think anyone will remember those years fondly. Or if they do, they need to give their head a wobble |
So heading into a game against the bottom club, we were looking to get into the play offs.
He fields an ultra defensive team.
“We’ve got one point before we cross the line” typical dour McCarthy.
Forgot it’s supposed to be entertaining.
Then he wonders why he lost the supporters. Dreadful time to support ITFC. | | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 15:38 - Oct 6 with 2567 views | LeoMuff |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 09:11 - Oct 6 by Wickets |
The limited budget claim is pretty false as it funded Fraser, Pitman (until he got bored ) Celina Maitland Niles , Waghorn, Garner, Lawrence , McGoldrick and maybe others . He did well for a couple of years or so but his stay went on too long as we all got board . Attendances dropped through the floor We could not be bothered with cup games so no excitement there . He refused to take responsibility for his actions blamed fans , So it ended as it always does with Mick with bitterness . The day of the dino's ,Alladice Pardew, Bruce and McCarthy are well gone thank the lord . |
Please, what a re write - Fraser, Celina, Maitland Niles, Lawrence were loans, Waggy, Pitman, Mcgoldrick and Garner cost a pittance. |  |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:10 - Oct 6 with 2527 views | Churchman |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 14:31 - Oct 6 by Bramidan |
So heading into a game against the bottom club, we were looking to get into the play offs.
He fields an ultra defensive team.
“We’ve got one point before we cross the line” typical dour McCarthy.
Forgot it’s supposed to be entertaining.
Then he wonders why he lost the supporters. Dreadful time to support ITFC. |
Skuse, Hyam, Douglas - who looked like he needed to totter knees together to the thunder box for the big one every second of the game: Our midfield v Rotherham or some other rubbish. ‘Proper bloke Douggie’, every point is a prisoner etc etc. Desperate.
I know McCarthy was operating in Evans’ ever decaying mess of a football club, but it was awful to watch. Attendances say I was not alone in my view of just how rubbish it was. Many are perfectly ok with Wimbledon, Cambridge under Beck, Luton way of playing. I get that it’s a results business, but it’s not for me.
I wish MM had called it a day at the end of 2015/16. Despite having achieved much with so little, it was the right time. In many ways the problem resembles Sheffield Weds’ now. Rubbish owner, making any manager’s task an impossible one. |  | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:26 - Oct 6 with 2510 views | Steve_M |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 13:39 - Oct 6 by MJallday |
That’s like saying there’s a best turd in the sewer
We played dreadful hoofball, there was no investment, no culture and under MEs reign I would suggest it was the worst years of this clubs entire existence IMO
Frankly, we were lucky not to go under . MM turned against the fans and the entire thing can only be described as toxic.
I don’t think anyone will remember those years fondly. Or if they do, they need to give their head a wobble |
The years that followed McCarthy were far worse and a greater existential threat to the club.
November 2012 - May 2015 should, at the very least, be remembered fondly. Continual improvement, bigger crowds without the starting point of a large budget or the backroom support that the club has put in place now. | |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 17:20 - Oct 6 with 2475 views | MJallday |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:26 - Oct 6 by Steve_M |
The years that followed McCarthy were far worse and a greater existential threat to the club.
November 2012 - May 2015 should, at the very least, be remembered fondly. Continual improvement, bigger crowds without the starting point of a large budget or the backroom support that the club has put in place now. |
To be clear the threat was down to MEs management , and yes what followed Mm was somehow worse. But it was still terrible (comparatively l) | |
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| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 18:49 - Oct 6 with 2420 views | SWBlue22 |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 16:42 - Oct 5 by pointofblue |
Mick should have left us after 2015-16. As soon as he couldn’t stand the heat from the crowd, walking would have been a better option than basically turning the club against the fans, and vice versa. But he did a good job overall, and don’t think we would have gone down under him. |
I don’t because what is happening here now would never have happened. Gamechanger would probably have brought a different club. |  | | |
| Love the overall job Mick McCarthy did for us (n/t) on 19:02 - Oct 6 with 2412 views | thatbdude |
Depends of you like boring football
He did decently for us, saved us from relegation and got us in the play off but his style of play was boring |  |
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