| My take on yesterday FWIW 08:03 - Nov 5 with 7228 views | textbackup |
Credit where it’s due, and I think as you mature you realise it’s not us being ‘sht’ you can credit the opposition.
Brum were exactly as you’d imagine a Rooney team would be. They lack quality but gave us absolutely no time in the first half, it was in your face, and as intense as I think we’ve faced this season.
Scarlett showed THAT moment of quality yesterday that I think we’ve all been waiting for. Great from Harness too.
Fantastic to come away with a point.
On to the less positive - the sheer entitlement and arrogance from (I’m going for huge number of fans) is actually really sht. Seeing what they say online, and what I hear from those at the game yesterday. What’s wrong with people.
Anyway, I’d have been over the moon with 4 points from brum and rovverham, so bring on Tuesday. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 08:25 - Nov 5 with 5178 views | Bluespeed225 |
The entitlement has only come from about 6 months of very few defeats! I can understand it what with the wave that we’re riding, but being a , slightly older fan, also know it can all come to an abrupt halt! Social media doesn’t help the look though! |  | | |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 08:34 - Nov 5 with 5121 views | Dubtractor |
Worth noting that almost every away game has seen us under the cosh early doors, as the home team looks to make a fast start, much like we've done the same to a number of teams at PR.
We are going to have spells in games where we are second best - this isn't league one anymore, and almost every team can beat anyone on their day. McKenna has made the point a number of times, but every single game this season will be a battle to get points from. We are doing enough to win most of those battles so far! |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 08:38 - Nov 5 with 5096 views | cbower |
Lots of wet and bunched panties until 79 minutes. By 89 minutes they had clean ones back on. It's disappointing that some can't wait to moan with their "we've been found out" responses to a sub par first half away from home in which Broady should have had us level. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 08:41 - Nov 5 with 5077 views | Churchman |
I think people get a bit skewed mentally when the extraordinary becomes normal. And what we’ve been doing is extraordinary. We’ve lost 5 of the last 60 league games. The goal diff is plus 80 in that time. 35 points by early November in the championship, unbeaten away 1 loss in 14? Nobody could have predicted that.
Even a crusty like myself has to pinch himself to make sure it’s real. But having seen many a season of football, I know it will end at some point. Everything does. Social media? I don’t bother with Twitter/X etc. There’s nothing in it for me.
Realism of the crowd? Well certainly the dudes and dudettes I sit with are realistic, particularly about our limitations. While there will always be a section of muppets, I think most people get it.
After so much dross over so many years, it’s good times. I believe if people stop and remember where we were two years ago and before, look at the stats since Aug 22, they’ll enjoy them even more - without getting arrogant/entitled.
Edit: For perspective, by this stage the season before last, we’d acquired 20 points and were about to lose 3 of the next 5 resulting in the end for Cook. It’s fair to say we’ve progressed! [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 8:51]
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 08:45 - Nov 5 with 5034 views | ibbleobble |
I was impressed with our desire and hunger to get something out of the game. That comes with youth but there was a real determination even after we’d equalised with minutes remaining. There’s a fantastic blend of players with points to prove in our squad. | | | |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 09:20 - Nov 5 with 4856 views | Guthrum |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 08:38 - Nov 5 by cbower |
Lots of wet and bunched panties until 79 minutes. By 89 minutes they had clean ones back on. It's disappointing that some can't wait to moan with their "we've been found out" responses to a sub par first half away from home in which Broady should have had us level. |
Same as back in January and February. Ipswich fans are not yet comfortable enough in their skins for setbacks not to raise up demons of collapse and dashed hopes from the Lambert years. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 09:29 - Nov 5 with 4778 views | Basuco |
Entitled fans? Town have only lost twice in the league this year and four times in the last twelve month's, all the media keeps going on about how successful we have been, they seem to forget that a substantial chunk was in L1. I think it is more confidence based on the wonderful football we get to watch week in week out, win or lose. I think we should enjoy the moment, because it may not last. But, with this squad, manager, coaches and support staff, who knows what the season will bring. As fans we need to carry on the same, as the players feed off our confidence and we feed off player confidence. Entitled, nah, bring on Rotherham and Swansea. COYFB's. |  | | |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 09:31 - Nov 5 with 4770 views | Herbivore |
Good, balanced take there texters. It is frustrating that some fans expect us to turn up and play like peak Barca every week. This is a tough league, we picked up an excellent point yesterday and were sat on 35 points from 14 games which is an absolute crazy start to the season. Most games this season will be tough and there will be spells where we aren't able to dominate, it's the nature of the Championship. Fans need to get behind the team not bitch about the fact we aren't comfortably rolling sides over. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 09:32 - Nov 5 with 4769 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Indeed. OTT moaning and slagging. You’d think we’ve got some money in the bank form previous performances to get behind and support, not jump on every mistake in difficult conditions. It was as if many of the people around me hadn’t seen us play before. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 09:42 - Nov 5 with 4659 views | ITFC_Forever |
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with hard-fought away points in games where we were second best for periods of the contest.
Yesterday and Huddersfield being two examples, and it also shows that for all the good football, we’ve got mental toughness and character to dig in and find away when we have to.
Long may it continue.
As for our fans, we have a few absolute weapons at games and on-line which I suppose every club has, but it doesn’t do us favours. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:31 - Nov 5 with 4493 views | N2_Blue |
Agree completely.
There is absolutely nothing to be downbeat about at club at the moment except for an element of the support. I have no idea how large it is but it is vocal both at games and online.
The moment something goes wrong despite the upward trend of the club having some wonderful players and a quite simply astonishing manager the reaction to setback is scarily laughable by some fans.
- The treatment of Morsy last year at Bristol Rovers, disgusting.
- The doubt in McKenna because we drew a few games when if you’d looked what was happening on the pitch there was no crisis, just a few individual mistakes that will always happen however good you are.
- The treatment of Harness pre-season / start of season before he’s even had a chance at this level.
- The writing off of Ladapo before a ball was kicked in this division.
- The hissy fits at not getting signings in the transfer window or not spending millions on players
- The current treatment of Harry Clarke saying he is terrible. He’s really not but learning especially when he has to have different roles
- Fans expecting Leif to be 9/10 every week and if he’s not he’s off it. He has been nothing short of brilliant here, but he won’t do it every single game. Accept that.
- I’ve even seen people having a go at Hirst yesterday.
It pees me off but I know it’s a minority but why when the club is in such a great place. We’ve dropped 7 points all season. Even if we’d lost yesterday it’s not a disaster. We will lose games, accept it. But we will win more than we lose, so enjoy it and be proud this group of players have fight and determination even when not at their best. Harness is the perfect illustration of this probably in no doubt due to having an absolute gem of a manager to coach and motivate him even when fans have written him off. |  |
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| Football fans are massive fannies on 10:35 - Nov 5 with 4454 views | Dyland |
Well, some are. However there's a noticeable and vocal large minority of Town fans who I find really embarrassing and tedious. I don't know if it's the same everywhere because, well, I only watch Town regularly. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:38 - Nov 5 with 4434 views | Herbivore |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:31 - Nov 5 by N2_Blue |
Agree completely.
There is absolutely nothing to be downbeat about at club at the moment except for an element of the support. I have no idea how large it is but it is vocal both at games and online.
The moment something goes wrong despite the upward trend of the club having some wonderful players and a quite simply astonishing manager the reaction to setback is scarily laughable by some fans.
- The treatment of Morsy last year at Bristol Rovers, disgusting.
- The doubt in McKenna because we drew a few games when if you’d looked what was happening on the pitch there was no crisis, just a few individual mistakes that will always happen however good you are.
- The treatment of Harness pre-season / start of season before he’s even had a chance at this level.
- The writing off of Ladapo before a ball was kicked in this division.
- The hissy fits at not getting signings in the transfer window or not spending millions on players
- The current treatment of Harry Clarke saying he is terrible. He’s really not but learning especially when he has to have different roles
- Fans expecting Leif to be 9/10 every week and if he’s not he’s off it. He has been nothing short of brilliant here, but he won’t do it every single game. Accept that.
- I’ve even seen people having a go at Hirst yesterday.
It pees me off but I know it’s a minority but why when the club is in such a great place. We’ve dropped 7 points all season. Even if we’d lost yesterday it’s not a disaster. We will lose games, accept it. But we will win more than we lose, so enjoy it and be proud this group of players have fight and determination even when not at their best. Harness is the perfect illustration of this probably in no doubt due to having an absolute gem of a manager to coach and motivate him even when fans have written him off. |
I think it is a minority,.albeit an annoying one. The atmosphere at PR has largely been very supportive, even when we've had a set back. When Plymouth scored the first time they'd got into our half the volume from the North went up a notch immediately afterwards. I still hear individual bellends moaning at everything around me but they aren't the norm these days, thankfully. | |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:39 - Nov 5 with 4413 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 09:32 - Nov 5 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Indeed. OTT moaning and slagging. You’d think we’ve got some money in the bank form previous performances to get behind and support, not jump on every mistake in difficult conditions. It was as if many of the people around me hadn’t seen us play before. |
People are going to have to understand that there will be fans that are going day by day still shocked by our start and what ever happens happens.
However we are 2nd. We've got there by performing and winning excellently, we have a gap etc and there will be people excited about a return to the prem. This will only grow with each week.
Even the owners will get to a point where dropping out of the top 2 would be unthinkable after the start we've had.. how long Is it for example when we stop capping it a good 'start'? We re 14 games in... normally people go by 10 games.. 14 games is that still a start to a season or are we now settled into the season...
Some fans will not be any different to KM. He may absolutely go game by game. But ue also sees what we all see, the gap, where we are and he will want to stay there. That's his job and that's what he will want. He will say what needs to said in interviews but he will want to continue with excellent performances over what people expected in the summer which was just to compete.
There's nothing really to digest at the moment. We are still going strong. But I think it's wrong to call some town folk entitled.. they aren't, they are getting excited about the fact we are 2nd and competing for automatic promotion and they just want it to continue.
The other issue we have again is this disbelief that fans can't moan about anything gown related, they can't comment on managers decisions. It's football. Man city fans moan about pep. It's just normal. What isn't normal are the fans moaning about fellow fans passion. Which is pretty much was fans have which makes them moan.. they want success for their club, no different to those who feel the only right as a fan is to be quiet and just be positive 100%, of the time. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:43 - Nov 5 with 4396 views | jayessess |
I think we often mistake the toughness of away games for us being rubbish. I wrote about it after the Bristol City game, which a lot of people seemed to read as a poor performance but really wasn't:
https://jacksaunders.substack.com/p/grindset-mindset
Basically, any away game in which you've shaded the run of play over the whole 90 minutes, you're doing pretty well in. You might not win that game, but you've given yourself a platform. We've done that in almost every away game this season. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 10:44]
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:51 - Nov 5 with 4339 views | Herbivore |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:43 - Nov 5 by jayessess |
I think we often mistake the toughness of away games for us being rubbish. I wrote about it after the Bristol City game, which a lot of people seemed to read as a poor performance but really wasn't:
https://jacksaunders.substack.com/p/grindset-mindset
Basically, any away game in which you've shaded the run of play over the whole 90 minutes, you're doing pretty well in. You might not win that game, but you've given yourself a platform. We've done that in almost every away game this season. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 10:44]
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Ruddy certainly had more to do than Hladky yesterday, did well to tip over from Chaplin and looked like he got a toe to take Chaplin's other chance just wide. Made a number of good saves for them. Vas with a good contribution to get off his line and smother their chance to go 3-0 up. We did it the hard way but it was a deserved point in a difficult game, got to take that all day long. If we can back it up with 4-6 more points from these next two games it'll look an even better point. | |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:53 - Nov 5 with 4324 views | strikalite |
Yep, his game plan certainly worked to be fair, chase everything down and put fresh legs on in the second half to see out the game, thankfully the quality of our fresh legs got us a point, these last 15 minutes of games now are getting more and more important, Scarlett could yet prove to be the player we hoped he'd be, to be fair he's had little time yet to fully impress.. |  | | |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:53 - Nov 5 with 4326 views | N2_Blue |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:43 - Nov 5 by jayessess |
I think we often mistake the toughness of away games for us being rubbish. I wrote about it after the Bristol City game, which a lot of people seemed to read as a poor performance but really wasn't:
https://jacksaunders.substack.com/p/grindset-mindset
Basically, any away game in which you've shaded the run of play over the whole 90 minutes, you're doing pretty well in. You might not win that game, but you've given yourself a platform. We've done that in almost every away game this season. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 10:44]
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I said this at the time when I saw people saying we were poor against Bristol city. Were they watching a different game. We really weren’t. It wasn’t our usual fluid and incisive attacking that we often show at home but it never is going to be in away games like that. But the performance was extremely professional and solid and we thoroughly deserved to win it despite admittedly one huge moment of fortune. We created far more than them and could have been further ahead before that chance along the line for them. | |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:54 - Nov 5 with 4322 views | BloomBlue |
Town have always had a large number of entitled fans but it has got worse recently. It's something that I've predicted all season, a couple of bad results and those entitled fans will turn on KM.
Yesterday you had fans declaring at 2-0 'if you cannot beat Birmingham then you won't get into the automatic position'.
Wtf, entitlement that in football you can just expect to beat teams.
I also dislike the selecting of one player as a scapegoat. Harness, in preseason was the player we need to let go, he'll never make a championship player etc etc. Now it's Clarke, although don't forget Williams after 10 minutes of football apparently 'will never make a footballer, fecking useless'
As you say you have to give credit to the opposition sometimes. Rooney apparently is 'a fecking useless manager because he sha**ed a granny'. The fact is you can see he has been working with his squad over the last few weeks, he is now gradually changing how they play and they ran nonstop for him especially in that first half. But according to the entitled fans because Brum have lost 3 games the granny sha**er cannot change them and we should beat them 5 or 6 nil. |  | | |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:55 - Nov 5 with 4316 views | Herbivore |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:53 - Nov 5 by strikalite |
Yep, his game plan certainly worked to be fair, chase everything down and put fresh legs on in the second half to see out the game, thankfully the quality of our fresh legs got us a point, these last 15 minutes of games now are getting more and more important, Scarlett could yet prove to be the player we hoped he'd be, to be fair he's had little time yet to fully impress.. |
The work he did for the first goal will rightly take the plaudits, but that ball for Hutchinson for the equaliser was pure class. | |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 11:07 - Nov 5 with 4228 views | GlasgowBlue |
It was such a good point that as much as the Charlton 4-4 last season felt like a defeat, yesterday’s draw felt like a win.
This team has so much character and determination that it never knows when its beat. It’s also testament to KM that he is able to motivate “squad players” to the extent that they don’t sulk being out if the team and nearly always have a positive impact when they make a cameo.
But I don’t think it’s unfair to say that since the international break the performances have not reflected the points gained. I’d say there are a number of players who are not performing to the levels that they have been over the last few months. These are Davis, Luongo, Broadhead and Chaplin.
It’s fair to say that despite not being at their best, Broadhead scored against Bristol City, Davis played a fantastic pass to set up Hirst for his goal against Plymouth, it was Luongo’s instinctive back heel that got our equaliser against Plymouth and on another day Chaplin could have had two very good goals yesterday. So I’m sure all four will play their way back into better form. I’d also say that Chaplin is definitely missing those pinpoint passes he receives from Burns which leads to so many of his goals.
Not a meltdown or entitlement. Just my view of things at the moment. Nobody could be anything but ecstatic at the way this season has started for us. But as football fans on a football message board, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to debate any shortcoming we are seeing. |  |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 11:10 - Nov 5 with 4213 views | Dyland |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 11:07 - Nov 5 by GlasgowBlue |
It was such a good point that as much as the Charlton 4-4 last season felt like a defeat, yesterday’s draw felt like a win.
This team has so much character and determination that it never knows when its beat. It’s also testament to KM that he is able to motivate “squad players” to the extent that they don’t sulk being out if the team and nearly always have a positive impact when they make a cameo.
But I don’t think it’s unfair to say that since the international break the performances have not reflected the points gained. I’d say there are a number of players who are not performing to the levels that they have been over the last few months. These are Davis, Luongo, Broadhead and Chaplin.
It’s fair to say that despite not being at their best, Broadhead scored against Bristol City, Davis played a fantastic pass to set up Hirst for his goal against Plymouth, it was Luongo’s instinctive back heel that got our equaliser against Plymouth and on another day Chaplin could have had two very good goals yesterday. So I’m sure all four will play their way back into better form. I’d also say that Chaplin is definitely missing those pinpoint passes he receives from Burns which leads to so many of his goals.
Not a meltdown or entitlement. Just my view of things at the moment. Nobody could be anything but ecstatic at the way this season has started for us. But as football fans on a football message board, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to debate any shortcoming we are seeing. |
" But as football fans on a football message board, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to debate any shortcoming we are seeing. "
Of course, but Texters is talking about fans literally slagging off players and the team when we aren't playing like Man City. Not, for example, things like your reasonable post here. | |
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| My take on yesterday FWIW on 11:12 - Nov 5 with 4185 views | Churchman |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 10:31 - Nov 5 by N2_Blue |
Agree completely.
There is absolutely nothing to be downbeat about at club at the moment except for an element of the support. I have no idea how large it is but it is vocal both at games and online.
The moment something goes wrong despite the upward trend of the club having some wonderful players and a quite simply astonishing manager the reaction to setback is scarily laughable by some fans.
- The treatment of Morsy last year at Bristol Rovers, disgusting.
- The doubt in McKenna because we drew a few games when if you’d looked what was happening on the pitch there was no crisis, just a few individual mistakes that will always happen however good you are.
- The treatment of Harness pre-season / start of season before he’s even had a chance at this level.
- The writing off of Ladapo before a ball was kicked in this division.
- The hissy fits at not getting signings in the transfer window or not spending millions on players
- The current treatment of Harry Clarke saying he is terrible. He’s really not but learning especially when he has to have different roles
- Fans expecting Leif to be 9/10 every week and if he’s not he’s off it. He has been nothing short of brilliant here, but he won’t do it every single game. Accept that.
- I’ve even seen people having a go at Hirst yesterday.
It pees me off but I know it’s a minority but why when the club is in such a great place. We’ve dropped 7 points all season. Even if we’d lost yesterday it’s not a disaster. We will lose games, accept it. But we will win more than we lose, so enjoy it and be proud this group of players have fight and determination even when not at their best. Harness is the perfect illustration of this probably in no doubt due to having an absolute gem of a manager to coach and motivate him even when fans have written him off. |
Great post.
You forgot one. Burgess was slaughtered by some before a ball was kicked this season. League One player, too slow, not good enough for the Championship, get in two top central defenders before the transfer window shuts was the basic line. Some have now moved on to unfairly hammering Clarke.
Overall our crowd is supportive. The way we get behind the team if we fall behind is really good and very unusual. But you are right. There are those that like nothing better than a good moan or someone to pick on. Sad but to be expected, I suppose, in a support of any size. | | | |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 11:13 - Nov 5 with 4177 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 11:10 - Nov 5 by Dyland |
" But as football fans on a football message board, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to debate any shortcoming we are seeing. "
Of course, but Texters is talking about fans literally slagging off players and the team when we aren't playing like Man City. Not, for example, things like your reasonable post here. |
Where are these posts from people actually slagging off players and the team. | |
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| Keep up on 11:15 - Nov 5 with 4155 views | Dyland |
| My take on yesterday FWIW on 11:13 - Nov 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Where are these posts from people actually slagging off players and the team. |
We're talking about fans at the game and on Twitter or the chat room, not this message board per se.
You love to leap on little things don't you. Would've thought you'd be more circumspect considering other posters do it (often unfairly) to you all the time. | |
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