| Trump classified documents case thrown out 15:17 - Jul 15 with 2220 views | BlueNomad |
By Judge appointed by him...... |  | | |  |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:20 - Jul 15 with 2178 views | Dubtractor |
Absolute basket case country.
So important that Reform don't get more of a foothold here, as we'll head the same way if they do. |  |
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:40 - Jul 15 with 2099 views | factual_blue |
I saw this in the main stream media, so it's presumably untrue. |  |
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:41 - Jul 15 with 2086 views | EdwardStone |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:20 - Jul 15 by Dubtractor |
Absolute basket case country.
So important that Reform don't get more of a foothold here, as we'll head the same way if they do. |
Something rotten in the system where Judges are political appointees
The U S Supreme Court is all about patronage and prejudice, not justice |  | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:51 - Jul 15 with 2030 views | bsw72 |
Was always a bit of a long shot this one, not surprised it went slightly wide of the target. |  | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:54 - Jul 15 with 2007 views | MattinLondon |
I’m being completely ignorant.
Does their President over there appoint their supreme judges? Who appoints the top judges over here? |  | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 16:01 - Jul 15 with 1967 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:54 - Jul 15 by MattinLondon |
I’m being completely ignorant.
Does their President over there appoint their supreme judges? Who appoints the top judges over here? |
Judges in England appointed by an independent committee, although not sure who make appointments to that committee. |  |
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 16:01 - Jul 15 with 1968 views | DanTheMan |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:54 - Jul 15 by MattinLondon |
I’m being completely ignorant.
Does their President over there appoint their supreme judges? Who appoints the top judges over here? |
The president nominates them, then there is a committee that asks them questions to make sure they are suitable (that is effectively pointless) and then they get a job until they die.
They have a serious amount of power which had not been used before as judges were not as overtly political as they are now.
The idea of having a politically aligned legal system is completely bonkers to me. |  |
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 18:22 - Jul 15 with 1815 views | factual_blue |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 16:01 - Jul 15 by Pinewoodblue |
Judges in England appointed by an independent committee, although not sure who make appointments to that committee. |
The Judicial Appointments Committee members are selected by open competition, apart from three appointed by the Judges' Council.
Judges recommended are actually appointed by the SoS for Justice.
That means there are judges out there appointed by chris 'failing' grayling.
*shudder* | |
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 19:13 - Jul 15 with 1742 views | bournemouthblue |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 18:22 - Jul 15 by factual_blue |
The Judicial Appointments Committee members are selected by open competition, apart from three appointed by the Judges' Council.
Judges recommended are actually appointed by the SoS for Justice.
That means there are judges out there appointed by chris 'failing' grayling.
*shudder* |
Is that just a paper signing exercise rather than the SoS having an input in it? |  |
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 21:44 - Jul 15 with 1585 views | DJR |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 18:22 - Jul 15 by factual_blue |
The Judicial Appointments Committee members are selected by open competition, apart from three appointed by the Judges' Council.
Judges recommended are actually appointed by the SoS for Justice.
That means there are judges out there appointed by chris 'failing' grayling.
*shudder* |
I suppose the criticism of judicial appointments in the UK is that they represent a particular (high) class, but I am not sure that makes much difference in practice.
And at least they aren't appointed for their political stance. [Post edited 15 Jul 2024 21:51]
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 21:50 - Jul 15 with 1563 views | DJR |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 15:41 - Jul 15 by EdwardStone |
Something rotten in the system where Judges are political appointees
The U S Supreme Court is all about patronage and prejudice, not justice |
It is wrong but it cuts both ways with both Democrat and Republican judges, DAs etc.
For example, the DA in the Trump hush money case was a Democrat, and the judge had donated to the Democrat party. | | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 21:56 - Jul 15 with 1515 views | ElderGrizzly |
Nailed on as the next Supreme Court judge if Trump gets elected.
Corruption in plain sight |  | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:01 - Jul 15 with 1496 views | WicklowBlue |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 21:50 - Jul 15 by DJR |
It is wrong but it cuts both ways with both Democrat and Republican judges, DAs etc.
For example, the DA in the Trump hush money case was a Democrat, and the judge had donated to the Democrat party. |
I hear you...but in a functioning Judiciary system, yes I know this whole thread is calling this out.
A certain previous president has to answer for having a load of classified files.
If the Judiciary are making decisions based off political leanings that is surely not a functional democratic nor legal system?
It will be appealed anyway and as Trump always does will be kicked down the road for years. |  | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:11 - Jul 15 with 1465 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:01 - Jul 15 by WicklowBlue |
I hear you...but in a functioning Judiciary system, yes I know this whole thread is calling this out.
A certain previous president has to answer for having a load of classified files.
If the Judiciary are making decisions based off political leanings that is surely not a functional democratic nor legal system?
It will be appealed anyway and as Trump always does will be kicked down the road for years. |
There is a reason for the separation of powers. Amazing the US doesnt get that. [Post edited 15 Jul 2024 22:12]
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:11 - Jul 15 with 1465 views | DJR |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:01 - Jul 15 by WicklowBlue |
I hear you...but in a functioning Judiciary system, yes I know this whole thread is calling this out.
A certain previous president has to answer for having a load of classified files.
If the Judiciary are making decisions based off political leanings that is surely not a functional democratic nor legal system?
It will be appealed anyway and as Trump always does will be kicked down the road for years. |
As a lawyer, you're preaching to the converted because I believe that justice must not just be done, but must be seen to be done.
The US fails on that measure but I suppose it derives from a constitution drawn up before the Republican and Democratic parties came into existence.
[Post edited 15 Jul 2024 22:14]
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| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:34 - Jul 15 with 1420 views | WicklowBlue |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:11 - Jul 15 by DJR |
As a lawyer, you're preaching to the converted because I believe that justice must not just be done, but must be seen to be done.
The US fails on that measure but I suppose it derives from a constitution drawn up before the Republican and Democratic parties came into existence.
[Post edited 15 Jul 2024 22:14]
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I'll state the classic acronym used on forums which is INAL. (I'm not a Lawyer)
However from my limited understanding, this ruling basically overturns a lot of case law and previous cases allowing Special Councils to be appointed. Which will be a key issue to be debated legal wise.
I assume there are specific considerations in this case but Trumps team have not challenged Jack Smith's appointment so far in other legal actions.
It really is amazing or maybe not, once an individual has funds behind them...how you can defer criminal cases for years. Trump has form for this as we know.... | | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:38 - Jul 15 with 1399 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:34 - Jul 15 by WicklowBlue |
I'll state the classic acronym used on forums which is INAL. (I'm not a Lawyer)
However from my limited understanding, this ruling basically overturns a lot of case law and previous cases allowing Special Councils to be appointed. Which will be a key issue to be debated legal wise.
I assume there are specific considerations in this case but Trumps team have not challenged Jack Smith's appointment so far in other legal actions.
It really is amazing or maybe not, once an individual has funds behind them...how you can defer criminal cases for years. Trump has form for this as we know.... |
If that is correct, it will get overturned on appeal. Unless, of course, the recent supreme court ruling by Trumps' appointees on his potential liability as president contains material which can be argued to have shifted the position. | | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 23:00 - Jul 15 with 1353 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 22:38 - Jul 15 by redrickstuhaart |
If that is correct, it will get overturned on appeal. Unless, of course, the recent supreme court ruling by Trumps' appointees on his potential liability as president contains material which can be argued to have shifted the position. |
It shouldn't have any bearing, because the recent Supreme Court ruling granted Immunity for official acts carried out in the capacity of being the President of the USA.
The documents case relates to actions carried out after he had ceased to be President. | | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 23:12 - Jul 15 with 1335 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 23:00 - Jul 15 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It shouldn't have any bearing, because the recent Supreme Court ruling granted Immunity for official acts carried out in the capacity of being the President of the USA.
The documents case relates to actions carried out after he had ceased to be President. |
Without reading the judgments, I couldnt say | | | |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 23:23 - Jul 15 with 1311 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Trump classified documents case thrown out on 23:12 - Jul 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Without reading the judgments, I couldnt say |
I have read the Supreme Court judgement, and dissenting opinions. (Interestingly I think there is still a route for Capitol Protesters to be charged if prosecutors can demonstrate that the Capitol Building is an "object used in an official proceeding" in the context of the meeting of Congress to ratify the electoral college vote.)
This case is about the documents seized from Mar a Lago after Biden had taken office. I haven't read this judgement. | | | |
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