| Home vs Away tickets 10:03 - Jul 20 with 8866 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
In all my years of supporting Ipswich it has never been easier to get away tickets than home, yet here we are in a situation where my expected tickets might be 19 vs 5/6 in favour of away. That can't be right. After going to 10 away games last season I am on 20 points so hopefully good for most if not all aways. Have been to 95% of homes last 4/5 years but never bothered with a ST...more fool me! But I never thought it would come to this.
What I am still struggling to understand is the 1 game minimum for the ballot when a few days later the last 75% of tickets are a free for all. So unless I'm missing something the ballot is futile. Some smart people had plenty of time to come up with this so why would the threshold not be more like 10 games? That way non ST holders that have attended often get to a few more games at least. Surely by having a ballot it's designed to give the loyal fans a extra chance....but that's not the case if the threshold is 1. It's just creating more admin, I can't see the purpose.
It's crossed my mind to get every away ticket possible and then trying to find people that on occasion would be happy to swap a home game for a away with me. Seems bizarre if it would come to that but at the moment seems a viable option. |  | | |  |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:09 - Jul 20 with 5452 views | BluedanW |
I'm on 20 points and don't feel so optimistic about getting away tickets.
I was in a better position at the start of last season, less points but i think further up the points table relative to others.
However i do see your point. I have a non season ticket holding friend who went to most home games last season and has no more advantage than others who went to 1 or 2 games. | | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:11 - Jul 20 with 5436 views | NeedhamChris |
The honest answer to your question is having the threshold at 10 instead of 1 would greatly reduce the number of people the membership would appeal to - whereas at 1 the club can get thousands of people buying one to have a chance at the ballot.
re: your last paragraph, as a ST holder with only 12 points I hope you and others don't abuse the system with your away points and are penalised if you do. | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 10:15 - Jul 20 with 5416 views | Chris_ITFC |
Yeah, don’t do that.
The self-entitlement and self-obsession is unreal sometimes. And then people decide to publicly share these ideas? Strewth. |  |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 10:36 - Jul 20 with 5358 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:15 - Jul 20 by Chris_ITFC |
Yeah, don’t do that.
The self-entitlement and self-obsession is unreal sometimes. And then people decide to publicly share these ideas? Strewth. |
Excuse me? So if there is a home game I'd like to go to and an away game a friend would like to go to and we get each others tickets that is a issue for you? (Meanwhile tickets will be on stubhub etc for all games) Everything that is going on in the world these days and it's things like that which annoy you....strewth indeed. | | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:58 - Jul 20 with 5271 views | ParisBlue |
I'm in agreement with you. The one game limit to enter the ballot is ridiculous.
I'm sure there is a reason behind it as the threshold for the Huddersfield game was 5 games. My theory is to drum up demand, and then if we do stay up, expect hikes in season ticket prices (Forest increased by 20% and 25% over the last two seasons). That justifies a new stand.
With a 450 mile round trip, work etc i managed 13 homes last year and expected some level of preference (albeit not a guarantee). I expect not to be at the Liverpool game.
In contrast away games will be a doddle this year, increased capacities and 29 points AND a priority system (which is absent for home tickets). If there'd replicated the home process for aways there'd be outrage and they know that.
For a club that has done so much right over the last 3 years, and that continually talks about the fanbase, community etc, it has got this very wrong. |  |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 11:02 - Jul 20 with 5257 views | Pendejo |
They key to the home plan is to draw in and keep keen "new" fans, unfortunately, like in many industries (telecoms?) the existing client is very much taken for granted.
I think there's a case for multiple ballots; 10+, 5+ then 1+ then general sale
It still means that someone, unable to get a ST (they were capped at 21.5k) but attended 20+ home games, may not get a ticket at all next season. Whereas someone who attended none gets them all. Statistical likelihood, very low but possible if not probable.
I know that I will still attend games of we made a swift return to K1 as quick as we've risen. Afterall, I'm Ipswich 'til I die!
Last season I got to 12 home games, 6 on a friend's season ticket and 6 bought directly, so only counts as 6 in my account plus 10 away (though Watford doesn't count, sat with home fans) and start season with 19 points.
I had applied for a ST last season... On the day the cap was reached so wasn't successful. Oh dear never mind.
Whatever
I will join the ballots and get to as many games as I can. In my unbridled optimism Europe calls... And I want to be there to see it. [Post edited 20 Jul 2024 11:04]
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| Home vs Away tickets on 11:09 - Jul 20 with 5213 views | ParisBlue |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:09 - Jul 20 by BluedanW |
I'm on 20 points and don't feel so optimistic about getting away tickets.
I was in a better position at the start of last season, less points but i think further up the points table relative to others.
However i do see your point. I have a non season ticket holding friend who went to most home games last season and has no more advantage than others who went to 1 or 2 games. |
20 points will be fine for most away games if you continue to go (if you miss some then people will overtake you) | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 11:13 - Jul 20 with 5192 views | Freddies_Ears |
The one game limit to go in the ballot is designed to give a priority ballot opportunity to fans who had a membership and went to at least 1 game last season, ie a priority chance ahead of new members. If unsuccessful in that ballot, you can still get a ticket in the all-members' sale period. | | | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 11:22 - Jul 20 with 5130 views | NeedhamChris |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:36 - Jul 20 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Excuse me? So if there is a home game I'd like to go to and an away game a friend would like to go to and we get each others tickets that is a issue for you? (Meanwhile tickets will be on stubhub etc for all games) Everything that is going on in the world these days and it's things like that which annoy you....strewth indeed. |
Lots of far more serious things happening in the world doesn't mean you get carte blanche to abuse the system.
You'd be abusing the system - so open to criticism | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 11:32 - Jul 20 with 5083 views | HighgateBlue |
| Home vs Away tickets on 11:02 - Jul 20 by Pendejo |
They key to the home plan is to draw in and keep keen "new" fans, unfortunately, like in many industries (telecoms?) the existing client is very much taken for granted.
I think there's a case for multiple ballots; 10+, 5+ then 1+ then general sale
It still means that someone, unable to get a ST (they were capped at 21.5k) but attended 20+ home games, may not get a ticket at all next season. Whereas someone who attended none gets them all. Statistical likelihood, very low but possible if not probable.
I know that I will still attend games of we made a swift return to K1 as quick as we've risen. Afterall, I'm Ipswich 'til I die!
Last season I got to 12 home games, 6 on a friend's season ticket and 6 bought directly, so only counts as 6 in my account plus 10 away (though Watford doesn't count, sat with home fans) and start season with 19 points.
I had applied for a ST last season... On the day the cap was reached so wasn't successful. Oh dear never mind.
Whatever
I will join the ballots and get to as many games as I can. In my unbridled optimism Europe calls... And I want to be there to see it. [Post edited 20 Jul 2024 11:04]
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I don't agree that the existing client is taken for granted (in the sense that they are not given any additional benefit as a reward), for several reasons:
(i) Previous season ticket holders were allowed to renew. They did. Nobody else got a look in. I'm not a season ticket holder, but I'm totally fine with this. It seems totally fair to me, and I think there's consensus on this;
(ii) season tickets, and tickets in general, could be doubled in price and they would still sell out. The club is clearly not looking to fleece those who are loyal, when they absolutely could do. If Vodafone double your bill, you move to EE. People ain't going to Norwich anytime soon, so the club could very much open tickets to proper market forces. I'm glad they don't. Just look at Arsenal's season ticket prices. And even those are certainly not at a full-on market supply and demand price;
(iii) you only get in the 1+ ballot if you've paid for membership in a previous season. That is surely an existing client? Someone who has paid for membership previously, not merely attended a game. If you aren't going to give members any kind of chance at priority, why would they pay for a membership at all?
I don't think the analogy is entirely fair on the club. |  | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 11:35 - Jul 20 with 5061 views | HighgateBlue |
| Home vs Away tickets on 11:13 - Jul 20 by Freddies_Ears |
The one game limit to go in the ballot is designed to give a priority ballot opportunity to fans who had a membership and went to at least 1 game last season, ie a priority chance ahead of new members. If unsuccessful in that ballot, you can still get a ticket in the all-members' sale period. |
I agree with this approach. Otherwise, those who paid for membership last year and this year, but live far away, might not get to /any/ games. That doesn't seem terribly fair. I'd much rather everyone who has been loyally paying for memberships get a chance to go to at least 1 game rather than 0. I'd be happier with a 3-game fan and a 10-game fan getting 2 each this year rather than the former getting zero and the latter getting a couple more. True fans who have paid for membership should be allowed to see at least one game. One has to remember that many people do not have a lot of money, and transport costs to Ipswich from much of the country are huge.
These are not 'fairweather fans', and they will not get to go loads of games. I think the right balance has been struck. It would be unfair on, and frustrating for, people who have paid for a membership to get absolutely nothing to show for it. A chance in a ballot is fair enough in my view.
(incidentally, the idea of tarring genuine supporters as faithweather fans has always seems a bit of a pejorative thought to me anyway - we want the club and the community to be thriving together, with as many fans interested as possible. I don't like the attitude of being sniffy about people who are less holy because they let their faith lapse for a bit. Or even worse, complaining that kids support Chelsea and Man Utd and then turning one's nose up when suddenly they all support Ipswich.) | | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 11:44 - Jul 20 with 5015 views | Pendejo |
| Home vs Away tickets on 11:32 - Jul 20 by HighgateBlue |
I don't agree that the existing client is taken for granted (in the sense that they are not given any additional benefit as a reward), for several reasons:
(i) Previous season ticket holders were allowed to renew. They did. Nobody else got a look in. I'm not a season ticket holder, but I'm totally fine with this. It seems totally fair to me, and I think there's consensus on this;
(ii) season tickets, and tickets in general, could be doubled in price and they would still sell out. The club is clearly not looking to fleece those who are loyal, when they absolutely could do. If Vodafone double your bill, you move to EE. People ain't going to Norwich anytime soon, so the club could very much open tickets to proper market forces. I'm glad they don't. Just look at Arsenal's season ticket prices. And even those are certainly not at a full-on market supply and demand price;
(iii) you only get in the 1+ ballot if you've paid for membership in a previous season. That is surely an existing client? Someone who has paid for membership previously, not merely attended a game. If you aren't going to give members any kind of chance at priority, why would they pay for a membership at all?
I don't think the analogy is entirely fair on the club. |
Member +1 game last season I see as being new fans, could even be a tout thinking they'd get access to Naaaridge tickets, with potentially multiple purchase and resale opportunities unexpectedly available in the coming season.
Even if it was 10+ first i could support it more than 1+.
As for telecoms was thinking more landline and broadband. My uncle pays more for his landline with BT, lifetime client pretty much, than I do for phone and broadband with another supplier.
Whatever the club did someone would find fault. Besides I'm pretty sure than on launching this system the club nods towards growing the "newer fan" fanbase. Some of us would still be rocking up if the home league games were against Hampton & Richmond, Chelmsford and Bournemouth 😶😶 | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 12:25 - Jul 20 with 4915 views | Vegtablue |
The club would much prefer to have 40,000 occasional visitors than they would 5,000 visiting much of the time. Burgeoning membership sales, multiplying the casual support many times over, these are the goals. I'm sure they were appreciative of all those who relinquished STs this summer too; the ratio of ST-to-available seats is far from ideal given demand, be this financially or for growing the supporter base.
As you say, intelligent people designed this season's ticket policies and will have paid them substantial thought. The 'membership+1' ballot scheme allows the club to claim its 'rewarding loyalty' message, to make their polite nod to the 7,000+ who surely meet this season's criteria, while also ensuring the psychological and practical barriers to new memberships and renewals are as low as possible. | | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 12:44 - Jul 20 with 4861 views | CopfordBlue |
If you went to 95% of home games over the last 5 years why didn’t you get a season ticket? They were readily available a couple of seasons ago, you could pay in interest free instalments and it would have saved you money as well as the hassle of booking for every game. Half season tickets were available in the year we got promoted to the championship, by which time it was
obvious that demand was on the verge of outstripping supply. | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 13:17 - Jul 20 with 4756 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| Home vs Away tickets on 12:44 - Jul 20 by CopfordBlue |
If you went to 95% of home games over the last 5 years why didn’t you get a season ticket? They were readily available a couple of seasons ago, you could pay in interest free instalments and it would have saved you money as well as the hassle of booking for every game. Half season tickets were available in the year we got promoted to the championship, by which time it was
obvious that demand was on the verge of outstripping supply. |
Good question! Was just too naive and didn't cross my mind we'd be in this situation.....me and 2 friends are in the same boat and clearly all as daft as each other  | | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 13:28 - Jul 20 with 4692 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Home vs Away tickets on 11:02 - Jul 20 by Pendejo |
They key to the home plan is to draw in and keep keen "new" fans, unfortunately, like in many industries (telecoms?) the existing client is very much taken for granted.
I think there's a case for multiple ballots; 10+, 5+ then 1+ then general sale
It still means that someone, unable to get a ST (they were capped at 21.5k) but attended 20+ home games, may not get a ticket at all next season. Whereas someone who attended none gets them all. Statistical likelihood, very low but possible if not probable.
I know that I will still attend games of we made a swift return to K1 as quick as we've risen. Afterall, I'm Ipswich 'til I die!
Last season I got to 12 home games, 6 on a friend's season ticket and 6 bought directly, so only counts as 6 in my account plus 10 away (though Watford doesn't count, sat with home fans) and start season with 19 points.
I had applied for a ST last season... On the day the cap was reached so wasn't successful. Oh dear never mind.
Whatever
I will join the ballots and get to as many games as I can. In my unbridled optimism Europe calls... And I want to be there to see it. [Post edited 20 Jul 2024 11:04]
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Should Europe call going to be some interesting arguments on who gets priority. In the past season ticket holders got first dibs for away tickets but presumably away fans would, going forward, get priority.
We can only dream but then we will be living past dreams this season.
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| Home vs Away tickets on 13:34 - Jul 20 with 4675 views | CopfordBlue |
| Home vs Away tickets on 13:17 - Jul 20 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Good question! Was just too naive and didn't cross my mind we'd be in this situation.....me and 2 friends are in the same boat and clearly all as daft as each other |
Hard to understand how the 3 of you couldn’t see this coming with the team, atmosphere and attendances improving week on week from the time McKenna joined but if you’ve only missed a handful of home games in 5 years you’re one of the very few that can genuinely feel aggrieved at what’s happened. | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 17:33 - Jul 20 with 4459 views | textbackup |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:09 - Jul 20 by BluedanW |
I'm on 20 points and don't feel so optimistic about getting away tickets.
I was in a better position at the start of last season, less points but i think further up the points table relative to others.
However i do see your point. I have a non season ticket holding friend who went to most home games last season and has no more advantage than others who went to 1 or 2 games. |
20 points… you’ll pretty much be guaranteed a ticket to every away game with that |  |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 17:34 - Jul 20 with 4448 views | textbackup |
| Home vs Away tickets on 11:22 - Jul 20 by NeedhamChris |
Lots of far more serious things happening in the world doesn't mean you get carte blanche to abuse the system.
You'd be abusing the system - so open to criticism |
It’s getting abused, get over it. | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 18:07 - Jul 20 with 4361 views | Mullet |
| Home vs Away tickets on 10:36 - Jul 20 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Excuse me? So if there is a home game I'd like to go to and an away game a friend would like to go to and we get each others tickets that is a issue for you? (Meanwhile tickets will be on stubhub etc for all games) Everything that is going on in the world these days and it's things like that which annoy you....strewth indeed. |
Yeah it’s a proper sh1t head move and means everyone else has to suffer you and your mate breaking the rules.
I’d love to go to every game but life. People touting tickets screws it up for everyone and deserve to be banned. The club have been really nice about it so far, but I don’t think they can be in the Prem.
Hopefully those who get caught go back to zero and those who “just fancy XYZ” can do one. |  |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 18:31 - Jul 20 with 4308 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| Home vs Away tickets on 13:34 - Jul 20 by CopfordBlue |
Hard to understand how the 3 of you couldn’t see this coming with the team, atmosphere and attendances improving week on week from the time McKenna joined but if you’ve only missed a handful of home games in 5 years you’re one of the very few that can genuinely feel aggrieved at what’s happened. |
I think I thought if it did happen tickets still wouldn't be so hard to get as they now will be. Pre and post covid times we'd be there in completely empty blocks sitting with our legs over the seat in front of us. Oh well like I say have ourselves to blame even if it was just naivety on our part. | | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 18:35 - Jul 20 with 4296 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| Home vs Away tickets on 18:07 - Jul 20 by Mullet |
Yeah it’s a proper sh1t head move and means everyone else has to suffer you and your mate breaking the rules.
I’d love to go to every game but life. People touting tickets screws it up for everyone and deserve to be banned. The club have been really nice about it so far, but I don’t think they can be in the Prem.
Hopefully those who get caught go back to zero and those who “just fancy XYZ” can do one. |
Wow...just wow. Me and a friend might swap an away for a home ticket making no difference to anyone. Meanwhile tickets for every single game will be on sites like Stubhub etc for big sums going to Youtubers and non ITFC fans......I'd point your anger towards the people that will be involved in that rather than someone swapping a ticket. Jesus. | | | |
| Home vs Away tickets on 18:46 - Jul 20 with 4247 views | Mullet |
| Home vs Away tickets on 18:35 - Jul 20 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Wow...just wow. Me and a friend might swap an away for a home ticket making no difference to anyone. Meanwhile tickets for every single game will be on sites like Stubhub etc for big sums going to Youtubers and non ITFC fans......I'd point your anger towards the people that will be involved in that rather than someone swapping a ticket. Jesus. |
Who said I was angry? You seem to be pearl clutching at the idea that you trying to justify what suits you, isn’t actually beneficial for anyone else.
They’re no different to you, so I’ve no idea why you think that makes it better. Just because it’s your friend doesn’t make it ok either.
People constantly justifying why they deserve special treatment is tiresome at the best of times. Broadcasting it is not going to get people applauding you. | |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 19:27 - Jul 20 with 4173 views | ITFC_Forever |
There have been plenty of times when it has been equally as easy. |  |
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| Home vs Away tickets on 19:33 - Jul 20 with 4145 views | ITFCson |
| Home vs Away tickets on 13:34 - Jul 20 by CopfordBlue |
Hard to understand how the 3 of you couldn’t see this coming with the team, atmosphere and attendances improving week on week from the time McKenna joined but if you’ve only missed a handful of home games in 5 years you’re one of the very few that can genuinely feel aggrieved at what’s happened. |
I am said friend and without a season ticket I attended 25 from 25 games last year. I missed a handful admittedly in league 1. I will feel aggrieved if I don’t readily get tickets but I’ll wait and see. I got Norwich, Southampton and Huddersfield tickets last season without issue. I’d be curious of the amount of extra memberships we have this season but I doubt this info will ever be made public. | | | |
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