| Has he run out of ideas already? 15:38 - Dec 28 with 4024 views | mutters |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0n14ywzqpo
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Amazing they are asking the regulators for advice when they completely ignored the PHSO on the Waspi situation.
Why is it so hard to get a decent government? When was the last time we had anybody competent in charge? |  |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 15:46 - Dec 28 with 3230 views | redrickstuhaart |
Completely unconnected issues.
Seeking input from people involved in particular areas is plainly common sense and normal. Its only the frothing right wingers who have had enough of experts. |  | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:15 - Dec 28 with 3103 views | BlueBadger |
Asking people who know what they're talking about to help shape policy is exactly what responsible governments should be doing. [Post edited 29 Dec 2024 12:44]
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:21 - Dec 28 with 3046 views | giant_stow |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:15 - Dec 28 by BlueBadger |
Asking people who know what they're talking about to help shape policy is exactly what responsible governments should be doing. [Post edited 29 Dec 2024 12:44]
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Booo! Can't we just do massive tax cuts for the rich and bang on about Rwanda a bit? |  |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:28 - Dec 28 with 3007 views | Zapers |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:21 - Dec 28 by giant_stow |
Booo! Can't we just do massive tax cuts for the rich and bang on about Rwanda a bit? |
Yes please;) | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:39 - Dec 28 with 2959 views | blueasfook |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:28 - Dec 28 by Zapers |
Yes please;) |
How many people smuggling gangs has Keir Starmer smashed so far?
I'm gonna have a guess at err.... zero |  |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:39 - Dec 28 with 2952 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:39 - Dec 28 by blueasfook |
How many people smuggling gangs has Keir Starmer smashed so far?
I'm gonna have a guess at err.... zero |
He hasn't gathered any moons on sticks yet either.
Booooo. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:47 - Dec 28 with 2914 views | stonojnr |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 15:46 - Dec 28 by redrickstuhaart |
Completely unconnected issues.
Seeking input from people involved in particular areas is plainly common sense and normal. Its only the frothing right wingers who have had enough of experts. |
I suspect if the Tories had been doing this, the frothing left wingers would be moaning that the government were clueless, already out of ideas and demonstrating Britain was broken.
its funny how that works isnt it... | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 17:36 - Dec 28 with 2767 views | Swansea_Blue |
I initially thought that, and then I quickly changed my mind after thinking about if for longer than it took to read the headline. It seems sensible to ask the regulators what they could do to improve regulation.
Of course, it’s partly pissing around the edges still, as we could improve growth with one action if all the parties weren’t in the thrall of the right wing media and sht scared of Farage. We’re not allowed to talk about that though. So we’rve still got a long way to go before we can say they’re offering grown up politics. |  |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 17:37 - Dec 28 with 2761 views | BrianTablet |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:39 - Dec 28 by blueasfook |
How many people smuggling gangs has Keir Starmer smashed so far?
I'm gonna have a guess at err.... zero |
What kind of people smuggle gangs? |  |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 17:48 - Dec 28 with 2687 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:47 - Dec 28 by stonojnr |
I suspect if the Tories had been doing this, the frothing left wingers would be moaning that the government were clueless, already out of ideas and demonstrating Britain was broken.
its funny how that works isnt it... |
I dont think they would. I think they would say that it was lip service and the tories will ignore what they are told as usual. Had enough of experts etc. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 18:07 - Dec 28 with 2622 views | Churchman |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 17:48 - Dec 28 by redrickstuhaart |
I dont think they would. I think they would say that it was lip service and the tories will ignore what they are told as usual. Had enough of experts etc. |
You are right. The tories did just that and were proud of it. Then the swivel eyed idiots blamed everyone else because they never bothered consulting anyone in the first place who might have hinted that driving the economy off a cliff with no lights on wasn’t the best idea. See harpee Truss who still blames everyone else.
The only thing I’m surprised at with Starmer’s crew is that they didn’t do this 18 months ago or longer, considering it was obvious the tories were toast. |  | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 18:31 - Dec 28 with 2556 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 18:07 - Dec 28 by Churchman |
You are right. The tories did just that and were proud of it. Then the swivel eyed idiots blamed everyone else because they never bothered consulting anyone in the first place who might have hinted that driving the economy off a cliff with no lights on wasn’t the best idea. See harpee Truss who still blames everyone else.
The only thing I’m surprised at with Starmer’s crew is that they didn’t do this 18 months ago or longer, considering it was obvious the tories were toast. |
The machinery of state was not available to them. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 21:45 - Dec 28 with 2370 views | mutters |
Did I dream it or did Starmer say they had a plan during the election campaign? Surely these are the types of conversations you have before announcing that? | |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 21:49 - Dec 28 with 2340 views | longtimefan |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 18:31 - Dec 28 by redrickstuhaart |
The machinery of state was not available to them. |
No wonder Royal Mail is in such a financial mess if you need the machinery of state to be able to write and send a letter  | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:24 - Dec 28 with 2251 views | Churchman |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 18:31 - Dec 28 by redrickstuhaart |
The machinery of state was not available to them. |
They were fully briefed last January. The opposition in Parliament get access to an awful lot of information within government directly (e.g. Select Committees and most work in government is not in the public eye) and indirectly. In any case, I can see no reason why they couldn’t ask the questions they are asking now a long time ago, let alone business leaders, economists etc.
I guess I’m taking my sister’s viewpoint (she’s left of Corbyn) that it’s like Starmer’s people just didn’t prepare. I accept this is a very subjective view and maybe harsh. I’m a long time out of that world now so I’m speculating!
Back to the OP, I think it is always right that a government seeks advice so regardless of whether he should or could have done it earlier, it’s right to do it now. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:35 - Dec 28 with 2228 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:24 - Dec 28 by Churchman |
They were fully briefed last January. The opposition in Parliament get access to an awful lot of information within government directly (e.g. Select Committees and most work in government is not in the public eye) and indirectly. In any case, I can see no reason why they couldn’t ask the questions they are asking now a long time ago, let alone business leaders, economists etc.
I guess I’m taking my sister’s viewpoint (she’s left of Corbyn) that it’s like Starmer’s people just didn’t prepare. I accept this is a very subjective view and maybe harsh. I’m a long time out of that world now so I’m speculating!
Back to the OP, I think it is always right that a government seeks advice so regardless of whether he should or could have done it earlier, it’s right to do it now. |
These exercises are not without cost implications. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:55 - Dec 28 with 2165 views | mutters |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:24 - Dec 28 by Churchman |
They were fully briefed last January. The opposition in Parliament get access to an awful lot of information within government directly (e.g. Select Committees and most work in government is not in the public eye) and indirectly. In any case, I can see no reason why they couldn’t ask the questions they are asking now a long time ago, let alone business leaders, economists etc.
I guess I’m taking my sister’s viewpoint (she’s left of Corbyn) that it’s like Starmer’s people just didn’t prepare. I accept this is a very subjective view and maybe harsh. I’m a long time out of that world now so I’m speculating!
Back to the OP, I think it is always right that a government seeks advice so regardless of whether he should or could have done it earlier, it’s right to do it now. |
I am completely on-board with those in power seeking advice; it just grates that they presented themselves as being ready for government and having a plan in place to fix the mess from the previous incumbents. As you said, they had access to a lot of information before their election campaign, which shows that they weren't ready to hit the ground running.
Labour is using up a lot of the goodwill installed in them, as did Boris when he managed to persuade parts of the "Red Wall" to vote Blue, some for the first time.
My big fear is that both the Tories and Labour are going to erode the faith from the British Electorate and allow other parties more of a foothold. | |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 23:00 - Dec 28 with 2144 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 21:45 - Dec 28 by mutters |
Did I dream it or did Starmer say they had a plan during the election campaign? Surely these are the types of conversations you have before announcing that? |
Do you honestly think any party would only consult during a campaign and not when they were governing? Nobody would do that. Governments consult constantly and seek feedback through direct approaches and through publishing green papers. All governments do.
Tribalism is making idiots of a lot of people these days. Try not to fall into that trap. | |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 23:02 - Dec 28 with 2134 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:55 - Dec 28 by mutters |
I am completely on-board with those in power seeking advice; it just grates that they presented themselves as being ready for government and having a plan in place to fix the mess from the previous incumbents. As you said, they had access to a lot of information before their election campaign, which shows that they weren't ready to hit the ground running.
Labour is using up a lot of the goodwill installed in them, as did Boris when he managed to persuade parts of the "Red Wall" to vote Blue, some for the first time.
My big fear is that both the Tories and Labour are going to erode the faith from the British Electorate and allow other parties more of a foothold. |
You cant demand that public regulators do detailed reviews before you ar ein power. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 23:15 - Dec 28 with 2094 views | mutters |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 23:00 - Dec 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Do you honestly think any party would only consult during a campaign and not when they were governing? Nobody would do that. Governments consult constantly and seek feedback through direct approaches and through publishing green papers. All governments do.
Tribalism is making idiots of a lot of people these days. Try not to fall into that trap. |
Let's try not to be condescending here please, it's an open and fair question.
Do you honestly believe that the Labour Party has shone since they came into office or is it fair to say that it feels like they were unprepared for office and now are on the back foot already? Struggling for new ideas from outside their own party at this early stage does not bode well. | |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 23:30 - Dec 28 with 2033 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 23:15 - Dec 28 by mutters |
Let's try not to be condescending here please, it's an open and fair question.
Do you honestly believe that the Labour Party has shone since they came into office or is it fair to say that it feels like they were unprepared for office and now are on the back foot already? Struggling for new ideas from outside their own party at this early stage does not bode well. |
It's not a fair question. Of course governments consult and to try and spin it is plain daft.
Does it make them on the back foot? No, of course not because all governments consult. They may be on the back foot, ut consulting isn't evidence of that - it's just evidence that they are functioning normally.
Whether they've shone is a completely different question. No I don't think they have especially (although they've done a lot more than people realise as it rarely gets mentioned in the press). They've also shot themselves in the foot a couple of times. But that's completely unrelated to the very normal activity of consulting on policy. | |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 23:50 - Dec 28 with 1987 views | TractorWood |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 17:36 - Dec 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I initially thought that, and then I quickly changed my mind after thinking about if for longer than it took to read the headline. It seems sensible to ask the regulators what they could do to improve regulation.
Of course, it’s partly pissing around the edges still, as we could improve growth with one action if all the parties weren’t in the thrall of the right wing media and sht scared of Farage. We’re not allowed to talk about that though. So we’rve still got a long way to go before we can say they’re offering grown up politics. |
Asking our regulators about their ideas on growth is like asking a referee for transfer targets. In some ways logical but it's also definitively not their area to opine on.
I think he's doing this so he can say he's consulted with them before trying deregulate them. As they've mostly become ineffective and/or distracted from their core purpose.
He can't ask business because they would ALL just say reverse the NI increase (rate and reduction in lower earnings limit). Which is also the obvious answer. Additional tax should come from growth not albatross around the neck tax regimes to fund money pit services. Laffer Curve init. |  |
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| Has he run out of ideas already? on 00:50 - Dec 29 with 1902 views | Churchman |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:35 - Dec 28 by redrickstuhaart |
These exercises are not without cost implications. |
There is that, but I believe rightly or wrongly it was possible to do. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 00:53 - Dec 29 with 1894 views | Churchman |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 22:55 - Dec 28 by mutters |
I am completely on-board with those in power seeking advice; it just grates that they presented themselves as being ready for government and having a plan in place to fix the mess from the previous incumbents. As you said, they had access to a lot of information before their election campaign, which shows that they weren't ready to hit the ground running.
Labour is using up a lot of the goodwill installed in them, as did Boris when he managed to persuade parts of the "Red Wall" to vote Blue, some for the first time.
My big fear is that both the Tories and Labour are going to erode the faith from the British Electorate and allow other parties more of a foothold. |
Yes Mutters, the last thing we need is a fruit loop Mini me Trump in Farage getting any traction. | | | |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 08:20 - Dec 29 with 1701 views | Zapers |
| Has he run out of ideas already? on 16:39 - Dec 28 by blueasfook |
How many people smuggling gangs has Keir Starmer smashed so far?
I'm gonna have a guess at err.... zero |
Only another 470 on Xmas day. Add to that the other million or so every year.
But think of all the benefits;)
I guess they are in the UK to build the 1.5 million new homes required.
I’m not sure that dear Angela has got her figures right because in another interview she said there are already plenty of houses available.
Frightening isn’t it, and she’s the deputy prime minister of the current government. | | | |
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