| Palmer’s first touch 20:00 - Aug 17 with 2548 views | Pinewoodblue |
When we passed the ball back to him his first touch, more often than not, was dreadful.
He kept having to step back to make his second touch.
The number of times he went to kick long then changed his mind and made an unconvincing short pass was worrying. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:03 - Aug 17 with 2185 views | portmanking |
His kicking - short and long - is even more woeful than my WBA-supporting mate warned me in Jan. |  | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:04 - Aug 17 with 2165 views | Axeldalai_lama |
I think in an absolutely ideal world we'd be looking for a replacement who can use his feet better. But being pragmatic as I'm sure they are at the top, he's competent enough and we probably need a steady transition rather than prioritising a replacement and adding to the churn and gelling. |  | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:08 - Aug 17 with 2081 views | Kieran_Knows |
I can’t quite believe I’m saying this, but bring back Vas. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:09 - Aug 17 with 2064 views | DanTheMan |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:08 - Aug 17 by Kieran_Knows |
I can’t quite believe I’m saying this, but bring back Vas. |
If he is available, I'd be all for this. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:12 - Aug 17 with 2012 views | CopfordBlue |
Playing out from the back worked 2 years ago as we had partnerships all over the pitch, a keeper who was very good with the ball at his feet and Morsy who could receive the ball on the edge of his own area, turn under pressure and create space. We currently have none of these key components and we look vulnerable. The clearance from Palmer that hit their forward could have gone anywhere and on another day would cost us the game. | |
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| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:15 - Aug 17 with 1952 views | Bloots |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:09 - Aug 17 by DanTheMan |
If he is available, I'd be all for this. |
....to a problem that's far bigger than most fans seem willing to accept.
I suspect some "humble pie" might have to be eaten somewhere if he did come back though. |  |
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| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:17 - Aug 17 with 1921 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:15 - Aug 17 by Bloots |
....to a problem that's far bigger than most fans seem willing to accept.
I suspect some "humble pie" might have to be eaten somewhere if he did come back though. |
I hate the ‘we’ll be fine with Palmer till next summer’ argument.
No, we won’t. | |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:18 - Aug 17 with 1892 views | Swailsey |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:08 - Aug 17 by Kieran_Knows |
I can’t quite believe I’m saying this, but bring back Vas. |
Honestly, Walton, Muric and Palmer have all underperformed compared to Vas. We should have kept him, unless we could bring in a world-beater, which we most certainly did not.
Feels a bit like he left under a cloud though, so it seems unlikely. |  |
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| It's only true if..... on 20:18 - Aug 17 with 1875 views | Bloots |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:17 - Aug 17 by Kieran_Knows |
I hate the ‘we’ll be fine with Palmer till next summer’ argument.
No, we won’t. |
...."fine" means "in with a chance of the play offs" | |
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| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:19 - Aug 17 with 1873 views | portmanking |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:17 - Aug 17 by Kieran_Knows |
I hate the ‘we’ll be fine with Palmer till next summer’ argument.
No, we won’t. |
If I'm being *brutally* honest, I'd have sold all three of our keepers this summer and started from scratch. | | | |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:24 - Aug 17 with 1769 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:19 - Aug 17 by portmanking |
If I'm being *brutally* honest, I'd have sold all three of our keepers this summer and started from scratch. |
5 keepers on the books - well 4 technically as 1 won’t ever play - none of which are any good, and the half decent one we did have we’ve sent out on loan (albeit understandable given the difficult season he’s had and seemingly no way back for him).
Said it all along, a keeper is just as important as another centre mid/striker/winger. | |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:25 - Aug 17 with 1753 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:12 - Aug 17 by CopfordBlue |
Playing out from the back worked 2 years ago as we had partnerships all over the pitch, a keeper who was very good with the ball at his feet and Morsy who could receive the ball on the edge of his own area, turn under pressure and create space. We currently have none of these key components and we look vulnerable. The clearance from Palmer that hit their forward could have gone anywhere and on another day would cost us the game. |
Agreed and I’d add Woolfy to that, those 3 were instrumental to how we played out from the back. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:27 - Aug 17 with 1713 views | Swansea_Blue |
He’s meant to be a decent keeper, but I’ve been surprised that he doesn’t appear much of a step up from Walton. Arguably a step down from Hladky in terms of how we want to play. He’s still ok though. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:29 - Aug 17 with 1659 views | portmanking |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:27 - Aug 17 by Swansea_Blue |
He’s meant to be a decent keeper, but I’ve been surprised that he doesn’t appear much of a step up from Walton. Arguably a step down from Hladky in terms of how we want to play. He’s still ok though. |
He isn't a step up from Walton. I did say that when we signed him in Jan. We'd have been better off sticking with Walton last season and spending time properly finding a long-term Hladky replacement rather than giving a sticking plaster a 3-4 year Prem contract.
Bizarrely though, Forest did make a move for Palmer this summer, but we turned it down (!) | | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:32 - Aug 17 with 1577 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:25 - Aug 17 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Agreed and I’d add Woolfy to that, those 3 were instrumental to how we played out from the back. |
Woolfy good shout but KMc is unlikely to make that sort of change.
There are an increasing number of teams playing three at the back. [Post edited 17 Aug 20:36]
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:34 - Aug 17 with 1558 views | CopfordBlue |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:25 - Aug 17 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Agreed and I’d add Woolfy to that, those 3 were instrumental to how we played out from the back. |
Definitely. I miss Woolfy being a regular first team starter. The whole team knew their role in the promotion winning sides and so the risks were outweighed by the reward. There was also an element of surprise - newly promoted team daring to try and outplay established Championship clubs. That’s not the case now. We need to adapt and vary our style. | |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:39 - Aug 17 with 1424 views | Trequartista |
He had an absolute mare with his feet today, especially in the second half. I thought criticism of his kicking had been harsh previously, but it was certainly exposed today. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:48 - Aug 17 with 1285 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
When he came well out of the area I was thinking, well done you’ve got there 1st now launch it. Considering he’s so poor with his feet he inexplicably tried to control it. | |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:48 - Aug 17 with 1280 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Palmer’s first touch on 20:29 - Aug 17 by portmanking |
He isn't a step up from Walton. I did say that when we signed him in Jan. We'd have been better off sticking with Walton last season and spending time properly finding a long-term Hladky replacement rather than giving a sticking plaster a 3-4 year Prem contract.
Bizarrely though, Forest did make a move for Palmer this summer, but we turned it down (!) |
I missed all that but in hindsight I’d have agreed with you. Having a keeper better with his feet would be a big plus. Or, just don’t expect him to faff around with it - that’s a perfectly reasonable option! We don’t have to try and play through the press. Nothing wrong with going longer and focusing on winning second balls. More teams are starting to do that with some success. | |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 20:49 - Aug 17 with 1285 views | GlasgowBlue |
He lacks the footballing brain of Hladky. Vas was two moves ahead of the opposition players. He saw everything in front of him which is why his long kicking was also as good as his short. |  |
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| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:56 - Aug 17 with 1183 views | Illinoisblue |
| Seems an obvious solution.... on 20:15 - Aug 17 by Bloots |
....to a problem that's far bigger than most fans seem willing to accept.
I suspect some "humble pie" might have to be eaten somewhere if he did come back though. |
Maybe we can tap into our “multi year agreement” with the analytics wizards at goalkeeper.com for some advice. |  |
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| Palmer’s first touch on 21:26 - Aug 17 with 984 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
We made a massive mistake a year ago. I posted at the time, and nothing has changed my mind since, we only kept Walton because he had a year left on his contract whereas Vac's contract had expired. So we would have needed to sell Walton or settle his contract, and instead opted to give Walton a 12 month extension and let Vac leave. This was one of the biggest errors that KMac and GC20 have made. Vac was absolutely fundamental to our success in gaining promotion. Now I'm not saying Vac is a 1st choice Prem goalie, but what we needed last year was a 1st choice keeper who could play with his feet in the same way as Vac, but also have better aerial command. Not easy, but we had big bucks to spend and we should have made this a top priority.
As of now, we need a new 1st choice keeper, who can play football. We're not in the Prem, and at this level, we know Vac is "good enough" with his goalkeeping, but his footwork sets him apart and provides the confidence that allows the entire team to play far more expansively. Get him back if we can't find anyone better, cos he is sure better than anyone we have in the building now. [Post edited 17 Aug 21:29]
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| Palmer’s first touch on 21:26 - Aug 17 with 968 views | RIPbobby |
The two teams we have played this season have done a very good high press. We really stitched Palmer up at times today with our backwards passing.
We need a player who we can ping the ball into and they can then control the ball and then beat a man. Nobody is really willing to do that. So we take the easy route out and go backwards. |  | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 22:01 - Aug 17 with 787 views | jontysnut |
Was it Big Ron or Fergie who said of a player ' his first touch goes further than most other players shots' |  | | |
| Palmer’s first touch on 22:04 - Aug 17 with 740 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Palmer’s first touch on 21:26 - Aug 17 by RIPbobby |
The two teams we have played this season have done a very good high press. We really stitched Palmer up at times today with our backwards passing.
We need a player who we can ping the ball into and they can then control the ball and then beat a man. Nobody is really willing to do that. So we take the easy route out and go backwards. |
That is how KMc wants it played. | |
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