| Didn't take long then.... on 19:39 - Oct 7 with 990 views | StokieBlue |
Indeed.
But look at the infection rates - we have gone from 30 or so cases per 100k to 500+ in many locations in just a few weeks at most. Nearly 500 were admitted to hospital on Sunday.
For whatever reason what we are doing isn't working.
It could be schools (although no evidence for this at the moment), could be the weather turning or could be lockdown fatigue and non-compliance.
Might also be something else altogether I haven't considered.
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| Didn't take long then.... on 19:42 - Oct 7 with 972 views | giant_stow |
Personally, I'd accept a 2-3 week very tight lockdown as a way of resetting the infection rate, but it really would have to a tight one to be worth it. Empty streets style. Not sure anyone's gonna wear that though. |  |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 19:45 - Oct 7 with 965 views | JakeITFC |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:42 - Oct 7 by giant_stow |
Personally, I'd accept a 2-3 week very tight lockdown as a way of resetting the infection rate, but it really would have to a tight one to be worth it. Empty streets style. Not sure anyone's gonna wear that though. |
Cat is out of the bag now it feels.
Not trying to score political points but it really does feel that the Cummings episode was a turning point in public compliance for this. |  | | |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:47 - Oct 7 with 945 views | StokieBlue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:45 - Oct 7 by JakeITFC |
Cat is out of the bag now it feels.
Not trying to score political points but it really does feel that the Cummings episode was a turning point in public compliance for this. |
I agree but at some point people have to stop using "a bigger boy did it so I did it" excuse and take some personal responsibility.
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| Didn't take long then.... on 19:47 - Oct 7 with 946 views | gtsb1966 |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:42 - Oct 7 by giant_stow |
Personally, I'd accept a 2-3 week very tight lockdown as a way of resetting the infection rate, but it really would have to a tight one to be worth it. Empty streets style. Not sure anyone's gonna wear that though. |
I think the goodwill of a huge number of people has gone now due to the incompetence of this government during this crisis. I'm not saying that it is the right attitude but that's the way it is now. |  | | |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:48 - Oct 7 with 931 views | SpruceMoose |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:47 - Oct 7 by StokieBlue |
I agree but at some point people have to stop using "a bigger boy did it so I did it" excuse and take some personal responsibility.
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Same with 'I was only following guidance!' when it was as clear then as it is now that the guidance provided was sh!t. |  |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 19:49 - Oct 7 with 925 views | BlueBadger |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:47 - Oct 7 by StokieBlue |
I agree but at some point people have to stop using "a bigger boy did it so I did it" excuse and take some personal responsibility.
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But the utter lack of leadership and personal responsibility taken by the government is exactly the sort of role-modelling you don't need. |  |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 19:56 - Oct 7 with 887 views | giant_stow |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:49 - Oct 7 by BlueBadger |
But the utter lack of leadership and personal responsibility taken by the government is exactly the sort of role-modelling you don't need. |
A govt of national unity might just carry the weight to do that. I know its pie in the sky, before anyone scoffs, but it does feel like we're at that level of crisis. | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 19:59 - Oct 7 with 868 views | factual_blue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:42 - Oct 7 by giant_stow |
Personally, I'd accept a 2-3 week very tight lockdown as a way of resetting the infection rate, but it really would have to a tight one to be worth it. Empty streets style. Not sure anyone's gonna wear that though. |
Move all those with symptoms to norfolk. Seal the border. Nothing at all in, nothing at all out.
Broadcast it all live after about a week, when the food runs out. [Post edited 7 Oct 2020 20:31]
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| Didn't take long then.... on 19:59 - Oct 7 with 860 views | SpruceMoose |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:59 - Oct 7 by factual_blue |
Move all those with symptoms to norfolk. Seal the border. Nothing at all in, nothing at all out.
Broadcast it all live after about a week, when the food runs out. [Post edited 7 Oct 2020 20:31]
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:00 - Oct 7 with 865 views | homer_123 |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:39 - Oct 7 by StokieBlue |
Indeed.
But look at the infection rates - we have gone from 30 or so cases per 100k to 500+ in many locations in just a few weeks at most. Nearly 500 were admitted to hospital on Sunday.
For whatever reason what we are doing isn't working.
It could be schools (although no evidence for this at the moment), could be the weather turning or could be lockdown fatigue and non-compliance.
Might also be something else altogether I haven't considered.
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Personally, I would have preferred to have seen a more stringent set of restrictions imposed much sooner.
Very evident that current local lockdowns (in the main) haven't worked. |  |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:01 - Oct 7 with 857 views | BlueBadger |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:56 - Oct 7 by giant_stow |
A govt of national unity might just carry the weight to do that. I know its pie in the sky, before anyone scoffs, but it does feel like we're at that level of crisis. |
I think that's what's needed, frankly. If nothing else, because there might be some actually competent people who give a sh*t on the opposition benches. | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:02 - Oct 7 with 853 views | homer_123 |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:45 - Oct 7 by JakeITFC |
Cat is out of the bag now it feels.
Not trying to score political points but it really does feel that the Cummings episode was a turning point in public compliance for this. |
But even the scientists no longer agree...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386 | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:02 - Oct 7 with 843 views | factual_blue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:59 - Oct 7 by SpruceMoose |
Could we use Sealand? |
That's reserved for laurence fox. | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:02 - Oct 7 with 846 views | homer_123 |
| Didn't take long then.... on 20:01 - Oct 7 by BlueBadger |
I think that's what's needed, frankly. If nothing else, because there might be some actually competent people who give a sh*t on the opposition benches. |
Just posted this above.
Put the politics to one side and we still have a huge issue - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386 | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:04 - Oct 7 with 838 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:39 - Oct 7 by StokieBlue |
Indeed.
But look at the infection rates - we have gone from 30 or so cases per 100k to 500+ in many locations in just a few weeks at most. Nearly 500 were admitted to hospital on Sunday.
For whatever reason what we are doing isn't working.
It could be schools (although no evidence for this at the moment), could be the weather turning or could be lockdown fatigue and non-compliance.
Might also be something else altogether I haven't considered.
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There may be no evidence of it but it would be a very brave person to state reopening schools and leaving them to decide for themselves how to manage the risk will not have at least played a big part. |  |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:08 - Oct 7 with 813 views | giant_stow |
I've got a lot of sympathy with their viewpoint - no doubt the consequences of lockdowns are huge and tricky to quantify. But for me, that's an argument to support an ulta-tight national, but importantly, short lockdown (with others implemented as and when). | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:10 - Oct 7 with 800 views | gtsb1966 |
The more articles that people read like that the more the people go against the government's advice. I personally agree with the article but there will be many people who don't. At the start of this pandemic I think this country was very much of one voice but sadly today that is no longer the case. The country is very quickly becoming divided. | | | |
| Didn't take long then.... on 20:12 - Oct 7 with 791 views | StokieBlue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 20:04 - Oct 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
There may be no evidence of it but it would be a very brave person to state reopening schools and leaving them to decide for themselves how to manage the risk will not have at least played a big part. |
Depends on the age group. There seems to be growing evidence that smaller children aren't huge vectors of the virus but older children with larger lungs are more likely to be a vector (thinking 14+ here).
You are of course right that the guidance given to schools was up to the government's usual level of competence.
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:13 - Oct 7 with 796 views | ElderGrizzly |
19th of October had been discussed today, for 2 weeks. Sturgeon has forced his hand |  | | |
| Didn't take long then.... on 20:15 - Oct 7 with 770 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair those are mainly US, Oxford epidemiology and mental health experts. All of those have been anti-lockdown all through. The Oxford one loudly proclaimed herd immunity early on.
Interestingly Cambridge is the university with a reputation for scientific excellence while Oxford's reputation is more for the arts. | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:16 - Oct 7 with 769 views | StokieBlue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 20:13 - Oct 7 by ElderGrizzly |
19th of October had been discussed today, for 2 weeks. Sturgeon has forced his hand |
Given the rate of increase in infections won't it be a bit late by then?
Also the infectious period can be longer than two weeks.
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:18 - Oct 7 with 753 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 20:12 - Oct 7 by StokieBlue |
Depends on the age group. There seems to be growing evidence that smaller children aren't huge vectors of the virus but older children with larger lungs are more likely to be a vector (thinking 14+ here).
You are of course right that the guidance given to schools was up to the government's usual level of competence.
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That's an interesting observation. In my limited experience the absence rate with covid-like symptoms is far higher in the older age groups. | |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:18 - Oct 7 with 756 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Didn't take long then.... on 19:39 - Oct 7 by StokieBlue |
Indeed.
But look at the infection rates - we have gone from 30 or so cases per 100k to 500+ in many locations in just a few weeks at most. Nearly 500 were admitted to hospital on Sunday.
For whatever reason what we are doing isn't working.
It could be schools (although no evidence for this at the moment), could be the weather turning or could be lockdown fatigue and non-compliance.
Might also be something else altogether I haven't considered.
SB |
If I was to hazard a guess, I’d say the measures simply don’t go far enough. The lockdown worked in the spring, but it was much, much closer to being a lockdown. What we have now is essentially don’t leave your county/area or meet up with more than 5 other people, but go to work, go to school, go to uni, go to the pub, go to any shop, have non-essential workmen in your home, go to the pub again, go to the cinema, etc...
Could be wrong, it could be the weather for example, but the much looser measures seem the most obvious reason. Lack of care/compliance probably comes into it too. A lot of people now seem to have lost their fear (not a bad thing in itself) but are also not taking things like social distancing and masks seriously. |  |
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| Didn't take long then.... on 20:18 - Oct 7 with 761 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Didn't take long then.... on 20:16 - Oct 7 by StokieBlue |
Given the rate of increase in infections won't it be a bit late by then?
Also the infectious period can be longer than two weeks.
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Yes. It's a political date, not a scientific one.
The Government was told to do the 'circuit break' 2 weeks ago but they ignored their medical professionals | | | |
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