| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 23:43 - Oct 17 with 1415 views | Swansea_Blue |
How much were Dominic Cummings and Margaret Ferrier fined again? I seem to have forgotten for some reason. |  |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 00:35 - Oct 18 with 1366 views | factual_blue |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 23:43 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue |
How much were Dominic Cummings and Margaret Ferrier fined again? I seem to have forgotten for some reason. |
You've forgotten because your diet of Heinz tomato soup has dulled your brain. |  |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 06:50 - Oct 18 with 1287 views | GeoffSentence |
As ever, Hmg and her security forces want to use whatever data they can to keep the public under control. This brings to mind RIPA which was supposed to keep us safe from terrorists but ended being used by busy bodies to catch people who didn't pick up their dog pooh.This will only put people off co-operating with track and trace. |  |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 08:57 - Oct 18 with 1191 views | Pinewoodblue |
The intention is that if they try to make contact with someone who is isolating and fail it can be reported to the Police as an offence may have been committed.
At face value there is nothing wrong with that,
The only people likely to avoid being tested are those who wouldn’t comply with isolation rules. |  |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 09:16 - Oct 18 with 1148 views | gtsb1966 |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 08:57 - Oct 18 by Pinewoodblue |
The intention is that if they try to make contact with someone who is isolating and fail it can be reported to the Police as an offence may have been committed.
At face value there is nothing wrong with that,
The only people likely to avoid being tested are those who wouldn’t comply with isolation rules. |
What about the people who can't afford to isolate. There must be thousands out there in that position. |  | | |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 09:21 - Oct 18 with 1132 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 09:16 - Oct 18 by gtsb1966 |
What about the people who can't afford to isolate. There must be thousands out there in that position. |
That is just one reason why someone might avoid being tested, another would be being a dickhead.
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 09:41 - Oct 18 with 1109 views | Basuco |
From another point of view, how would you feel if a tradesman or workman entered your home for some reason when they should have been isolating? If you are worried about being covertly tracked then do not add a google email account to your smart phone, they hold massive amounts of data on your movements. My boss requested his data from google and on a given day when he had a meeting in Manchester, google showed him every shop, and building he entered and for how long he was in each place. I seem to remember him saying it was 10GB per week of data. |  | | |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:01 - Oct 18 with 1075 views | StokieBlue |
I'm not sure I see the problem here.
It's now law to self-isolate if you've been told to - it's no longer a "request". Given that the police should have access to data they require to enforce the law. It's case-by-case so I assume it's going to be used if they have suspicions or there has been a public report of non-compliance.
The police have access to your data for other crimes (bank data for fraud, mobile phone records for location etc), I don't see how this is any different.
It could of course stop people getting tested but if they are worried about this then I don't see how they would have been complying with the isolation anyway - if you were planning to do that then this changes nothing.
People want the virus to be under control but don't seem to want to do much to facilitate that.
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:09 - Oct 18 with 1067 views | NewcyBlue |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 08:57 - Oct 18 by Pinewoodblue |
The intention is that if they try to make contact with someone who is isolating and fail it can be reported to the Police as an offence may have been committed.
At face value there is nothing wrong with that,
The only people likely to avoid being tested are those who wouldn’t comply with isolation rules. |
When I got home a couple of weeks ago a border guard incorrectly told me that because I am on land, I am no longer a seafarer and would be required to isolate.
If I was selected to be checked, they would most likely have found that I was not at home.
I've got an exemption letter, and I filled in the passenger locator form stating that I was exempt due to being a seafarer.
This border guard wasn't interested. In his eyes, because I'm not on a ship, I'm not a seafarer. |  |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:14 - Oct 18 with 1064 views | StokieBlue |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:09 - Oct 18 by NewcyBlue |
When I got home a couple of weeks ago a border guard incorrectly told me that because I am on land, I am no longer a seafarer and would be required to isolate.
If I was selected to be checked, they would most likely have found that I was not at home.
I've got an exemption letter, and I filled in the passenger locator form stating that I was exempt due to being a seafarer.
This border guard wasn't interested. In his eyes, because I'm not on a ship, I'm not a seafarer. |
Easy solution.
Get rid of your Ford and get one of these, looks roomy enough for all the family.
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:16 - Oct 18 with 1059 views | NewcyBlue |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:14 - Oct 18 by StokieBlue |
Easy solution.
Get rid of your Ford and get one of these, looks roomy enough for all the family.
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:23 - Oct 18 with 1045 views | gordon |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:01 - Oct 18 by StokieBlue |
I'm not sure I see the problem here.
It's now law to self-isolate if you've been told to - it's no longer a "request". Given that the police should have access to data they require to enforce the law. It's case-by-case so I assume it's going to be used if they have suspicions or there has been a public report of non-compliance.
The police have access to your data for other crimes (bank data for fraud, mobile phone records for location etc), I don't see how this is any different.
It could of course stop people getting tested but if they are worried about this then I don't see how they would have been complying with the isolation anyway - if you were planning to do that then this changes nothing.
People want the virus to be under control but don't seem to want to do much to facilitate that.
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The question is what the consequences will be in terms of whether it makes people more or less likely to participate in the test, track and trace system. If the answer is less likely, then it's a bad idea. If it means the police get to issue a few more fines, that won't really compensate for e.g. having to go into another lockdown because TTT is failing.
Happy to be corrected but I would expect behavioural scientists to be dismayed by this. |  | | |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:29 - Oct 18 with 1028 views | Mullet |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:23 - Oct 18 by gordon |
The question is what the consequences will be in terms of whether it makes people more or less likely to participate in the test, track and trace system. If the answer is less likely, then it's a bad idea. If it means the police get to issue a few more fines, that won't really compensate for e.g. having to go into another lockdown because TTT is failing.
Happy to be corrected but I would expect behavioural scientists to be dismayed by this. |
We've got staff not admitting to contact or making mistakes because they are scared of professional consequences or being made to isolate.
Despite no threat of either unless necessary.
The PHE guidelines are not robust enough either. Outside of the school bubble I've got mates who are taking risks and cutting corners constantly just to scrape work together. What they're doing in Liverpool is very worrying. They are going after people, when they should be gaurenteeing there will be money to help in the case of small businesses. |  |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:32 - Oct 18 with 1023 views | TractorWood |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:23 - Oct 18 by gordon |
The question is what the consequences will be in terms of whether it makes people more or less likely to participate in the test, track and trace system. If the answer is less likely, then it's a bad idea. If it means the police get to issue a few more fines, that won't really compensate for e.g. having to go into another lockdown because TTT is failing.
Happy to be corrected but I would expect behavioural scientists to be dismayed by this. |
Exactly. A load of people will see that in the papers and delete the app. |  |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:37 - Oct 18 with 1019 views | StokieBlue |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:23 - Oct 18 by gordon |
The question is what the consequences will be in terms of whether it makes people more or less likely to participate in the test, track and trace system. If the answer is less likely, then it's a bad idea. If it means the police get to issue a few more fines, that won't really compensate for e.g. having to go into another lockdown because TTT is failing.
Happy to be corrected but I would expect behavioural scientists to be dismayed by this. |
Isn't this covered by this paragraph I wrote:
"It could of course stop people getting tested but if they are worried about this then I don't see how they would have been complying with the isolation anyway - if you were planning to do that then this changes nothing."
I just don't see how someone with that mindset is going to comply anyway if they get a positive test so I don't see how it makes any difference to that cohort?
I do understand the point but just don't see how people think someone will comply with the isolation order without this measure but won't be tested because they might have to comply with this measure.
SB [Post edited 18 Oct 2020 10:37]
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 11:00 - Oct 18 with 989 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 10:32 - Oct 18 by TractorWood |
Exactly. A load of people will see that in the papers and delete the app. |
The app which is useless anyway. Nearly all track and trace contacts are as a result of the person testing positive giving details of people they have been in contact with. | |
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| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 11:14 - Oct 18 with 966 views | Ace_High1 |
| Now then. The police can have access to Track and Trace data on 11:00 - Oct 18 by Pinewoodblue |
The app which is useless anyway. Nearly all track and trace contacts are as a result of the person testing positive giving details of people they have been in contact with. |
Our app is woeful, the principle of an app can work if it is designed correctly by people who know what they are doing.
Or forget the app and go full South Korea and do it all via tracking mobile phone locations. [Post edited 18 Oct 2020 11:15]
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