| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands 13:16 - Dec 14 with 3237 views | StokieBlue |
Greenwich and Islington have said that schools are closing from tomorrow even whilst Boris is making a statement saying all schools should remain open.
He's losing a bit of control, assuming he had any to begin with.
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:17 - Dec 14 with 2350 views | homer_123 |
London Tier 3 as is Essex as well by the looks. |  |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:29 - Dec 14 with 2285 views | Bluefish |
That power has been with the schools and local authorities the whole time. We nearly closed our school just before the half term break and would have been in our right to do so. This action is the same |  |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:32 - Dec 14 with 2276 views | StokieBlue |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:29 - Dec 14 by Bluefish |
That power has been with the schools and local authorities the whole time. We nearly closed our school just before the half term break and would have been in our right to do so. This action is the same |
Fair enough.
It was literally as he made a statement saying they should stay open. It's also not one school, it's all of them in the borough.
I wouldn't be surprised if other boroughs do the same - it's only a few days until the holidays anyway.
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:32 - Dec 14 with 2280 views | giant_stow |
Yes you're right.
Tier 3 is just a question of timing now - might even be as of midnight tonight? The Standard is even talking about "tier 3+" whatever that is. Anyone want to take a guess on whether the Christmas breather will still apply to London? |  |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:34 - Dec 14 with 2255 views | Bluefish |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:32 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
Fair enough.
It was literally as he made a statement saying they should stay open. It's also not one school, it's all of them in the borough.
I wouldn't be surprised if other boroughs do the same - it's only a few days until the holidays anyway.
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Things have calmed here massively after we had our cases spike just before half term. Closing schools when cases spiÄ·e makes complete sense to regain control. It doesn't go down well with many parents though
Boris should be ignored, much like Lambert | |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:35 - Dec 14 with 2259 views | giant_stow |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:32 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
Fair enough.
It was literally as he made a statement saying they should stay open. It's also not one school, it's all of them in the borough.
I wouldn't be surprised if other boroughs do the same - it's only a few days until the holidays anyway.
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Last night on LBC when they reported the Greenwich shutdown, they said there could well be a battle / blowback from central govt, who'd specifically asked for the schools to stay open this week. Not sure they'll be right about that - " I demand you open your borough's schools in the face of exponential pendemic growth" can't be a good look. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 13:36]
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:36 - Dec 14 with 2251 views | StokieBlue |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:32 - Dec 14 by giant_stow |
Yes you're right.
Tier 3 is just a question of timing now - might even be as of midnight tonight? The Standard is even talking about "tier 3+" whatever that is. Anyone want to take a guess on whether the Christmas breather will still apply to London? |
They aren't going to have different rules over Christmas for different areas, it wouldn't be enforceable and would cause outrage in some.
No idea what Tier 3+ would be. I thought it would apply from Saturday.
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:40 - Dec 14 with 2221 views | giant_stow |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:36 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
They aren't going to have different rules over Christmas for different areas, it wouldn't be enforceable and would cause outrage in some.
No idea what Tier 3+ would be. I thought it would apply from Saturday.
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I guess you're right on the Christmas thing, but its just that some of the language i've seen used to describe the current London situ is quite forceful: "catastrophic" being one example. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 13:42]
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:48 - Dec 14 with 2180 views | StokieBlue |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:40 - Dec 14 by giant_stow |
I guess you're right on the Christmas thing, but its just that some of the language i've seen used to describe the current London situ is quite forceful: "catastrophic" being one example. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 13:42]
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Why would that make any difference?
The government have already been told the Christmas family meetups shouldn't be allowed but they have ignored the experts and pushed ahead with them anyway.
I don't see why any language used by experts now is going to change their minds.
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:56 - Dec 14 with 2163 views | giant_stow |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:48 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
Why would that make any difference?
The government have already been told the Christmas family meetups shouldn't be allowed but they have ignored the experts and pushed ahead with them anyway.
I don't see why any language used by experts now is going to change their minds.
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You're almost certainly right - I just wonder if London is currently experiencing something of a super-spreader event (or several). It feels like an emergency, even within an on-going emergency, but I accept I'm a freak-out merchant, so probably wrong! | |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:58 - Dec 14 with 2154 views | StokieBlue |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:56 - Dec 14 by giant_stow |
You're almost certainly right - I just wonder if London is currently experiencing something of a super-spreader event (or several). It feels like an emergency, even within an on-going emergency, but I accept I'm a freak-out merchant, so probably wrong! |
The numbers are still not as high in London compared to what was happening up North before the lockdown.
London boroughs on average are having 250 cases per 100,000. Many places up north were at 600+ cases per 100,000.
Clearly London needs to be moved to tier 3 though. It will be interesting to see whether parts of the north will be reduced to tier 2.
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:01 - Dec 14 with 2141 views | SpruceMoose |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:48 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
Why would that make any difference?
The government have already been told the Christmas family meetups shouldn't be allowed but they have ignored the experts and pushed ahead with them anyway.
I don't see why any language used by experts now is going to change their minds.
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There's no hope in hell that vast numbers of people will behave themselves at Christmas, not when you have people willing to travel cross country for something as trivial as a 90 minute football match. They'll find some way to justify it, as we have seen all the way through this with holidays, going to the pub, get togethers etc. etc.
It's no different over here. Being in an at risk group I'm doing all I can do to keep my wife safe (especially as a vaccination is within reach), but it looks like we are going to have to be even more cautious moving forwards as many people seem unwilling to do even the minimum to help keep others safe. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 14:02]
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:01 - Dec 14 with 2140 views | giant_stow |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:58 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
The numbers are still not as high in London compared to what was happening up North before the lockdown.
London boroughs on average are having 250 cases per 100,000. Many places up north were at 600+ cases per 100,000.
Clearly London needs to be moved to tier 3 though. It will be interesting to see whether parts of the north will be reduced to tier 2.
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I think Havering is getting near the 600 per 100,000 mark and given the city's so interconnected, maybe its the trends they're worring about. I'd let the north have a breather if it were me - hasn;t Leicester basically been locked down for months now? Harsh. | |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:04 - Dec 14 with 2121 views | StokieBlue |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:01 - Dec 14 by giant_stow |
I think Havering is getting near the 600 per 100,000 mark and given the city's so interconnected, maybe its the trends they're worring about. I'd let the north have a breather if it were me - hasn;t Leicester basically been locked down for months now? Harsh. |
Yes, there are hotspots, hence the average was cited.
You can't lockdown individual parts of London though, it's all or nothing into tier 3.
In the end, if people were behaving themselves this wouldn't be happening. Can't just blame the schools as they were open all lockdown and the cases didn't rise like this. It's only been since the pubs opened and stupid Christmas shopping with flashing lights that cases have rocketed.
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:14 - Dec 14 with 2107 views | Steve_M |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:35 - Dec 14 by giant_stow |
Last night on LBC when they reported the Greenwich shutdown, they said there could well be a battle / blowback from central govt, who'd specifically asked for the schools to stay open this week. Not sure they'll be right about that - " I demand you open your borough's schools in the face of exponential pendemic growth" can't be a good look. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 13:36]
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What difference would this week of school really make? Yes, kids have missed an awful lot of school this year but the last week before Christmas when large numbers of pupils are already at home in isolation is just political blindness isn't it?
I know of at least one London school where the head decided to finish term a week early. |  |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:15 - Dec 14 with 2105 views | SaleAway |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:58 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
The numbers are still not as high in London compared to what was happening up North before the lockdown.
London boroughs on average are having 250 cases per 100,000. Many places up north were at 600+ cases per 100,000.
Clearly London needs to be moved to tier 3 though. It will be interesting to see whether parts of the north will be reduced to tier 2.
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If Greater Manchester doesn't come out of tier 3, there will be a riot... on the day we came out of lockdown, we had lower rates than London, and travelling in opposite directions, which has continued.
London must go to tier 3. Its in a way worse state than Manchester was at the end of lockdown. |  |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:18 - Dec 14 with 2080 views | giant_stow |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:14 - Dec 14 by Steve_M |
What difference would this week of school really make? Yes, kids have missed an awful lot of school this year but the last week before Christmas when large numbers of pupils are already at home in isolation is just political blindness isn't it?
I know of at least one London school where the head decided to finish term a week early. |
Totally agree. Maybe we'll get a late call on that in Hancock's presser tonight? | |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:18 - Dec 14 with 2077 views | Steve_M |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:04 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
Yes, there are hotspots, hence the average was cited.
You can't lockdown individual parts of London though, it's all or nothing into tier 3.
In the end, if people were behaving themselves this wouldn't be happening. Can't just blame the schools as they were open all lockdown and the cases didn't rise like this. It's only been since the pubs opened and stupid Christmas shopping with flashing lights that cases have rocketed.
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The northeast London boroughs are all really high and that looks to be spreading across the city by borough. All around 350 - 450 cases per 100,000 last week.
I went out of Liverpool Street the weekend before last and judging by the number of people out drinking in the city and looking like they were out for the day, the increased rates aren't a surprise. Shops look even worse for contagion at the moment. | |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:23 - Dec 14 with 2017 views | HARRY10 |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:34 - Dec 14 by Bluefish |
Things have calmed here massively after we had our cases spike just before half term. Closing schools when cases spiÄ·e makes complete sense to regain control. It doesn't go down well with many parents though
Boris should be ignored, much like Lambert |
be grateful they only spike (whatever that is)
and not rise, or even increase
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:25 - Dec 14 with 2001 views | BlueBadger |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 13:34 - Dec 14 by Bluefish |
Things have calmed here massively after we had our cases spike just before half term. Closing schools when cases spiÄ·e makes complete sense to regain control. It doesn't go down well with many parents though
Boris should be ignored, much like Lambert |
As I've said numerous times before, Boris is the Lambert of politicians.
He's patently incompetent, should have been shown the door ages ago, loves a shallow soundbite, prefers to start culture wars than address problems and only a fool would think he deserves to carry on in his role. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 19:22]
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:27 - Dec 14 with 1986 views | SpruceMoose |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:18 - Dec 14 by Steve_M |
The northeast London boroughs are all really high and that looks to be spreading across the city by borough. All around 350 - 450 cases per 100,000 last week.
I went out of Liverpool Street the weekend before last and judging by the number of people out drinking in the city and looking like they were out for the day, the increased rates aren't a surprise. Shops look even worse for contagion at the moment. |
People can't help themselves. There's always an excuse. Over here, in the middle of last week it was announced that there would be an indefinite suspension of indoor eating and drinking beginning today.
I walked to the supermarket last Friday night and the bars in our area were packed. Christmas jumpers, people wandering from table to table drinks in hand, hugs and kisses. I'm sure the foot of snow we have forecast for later this week didn't hurt persuade people to head out for one last hurrah either.
I don't know where some people have been for the last year. | |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 14:30 - Dec 14 with 1971 views | Herbivore |
When we look back on how poorly the pandemic has been handled by the government there is one thing that sticks out as being especially eye watering. Back at the start of it all the Premier League, a bunch of self-interested rogues and scoundrels if ever there was one, took the decision to cancel fixtures on safety grounds at a time when the government had yet to take a stance. The Premier League, not known for good sense and compassion, showed more care for the safety of players, staff, and fans than the government. Just let that sink in for a moment. It's no wonder that throughout the pandemic we've seen various organisations taking individual decisions that conflict with government advice.
I've said it many times before, but it bears repeating: f*ck Boris Johnson, f*ck this Tory government, and f*ck anyone who voted for them. |  |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 16:44 - Dec 14 with 1853 views | StokieBlue |
Waltham Forest now.
All Labour controlled councils thus far.
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 17:24 - Dec 14 with 1790 views | giant_stow |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 16:44 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
Waltham Forest now.
All Labour controlled councils thus far.
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Yeah, the parent's whatsapp group has just gone mental. | |
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| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 17:25 - Dec 14 with 1788 views | StokieBlue |
| Local councils are taking some decisions out of the governments hands on 17:24 - Dec 14 by giant_stow |
Yeah, the parent's whatsapp group has just gone mental. |
Thought you wanted them closed?
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