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So England have qualified 08:28 - Jun 19 with 2864 viewschicoazul

With two clean sheets. Meanwhile Scotland are bottom of the group with one point and no goals and have to beat a World Cup finalist to go thru but somehow, they’re the winners and we’re the losers….?

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So England have qualified on 08:33 - Jun 19 with 2497 viewschicoazul

This is not to say that England won’t do what they almost always do by the way, which is slowly deteriorate thru the tournament and lose to the first good team they play. And as usual they all look exhausted, especially our main man up front.

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So England have qualified on 08:35 - Jun 19 with 2470 viewsm14_blue

I have to say, as disappointed as I was with the performance yesterday, I was a bit bemused by the celebrations from the scots at the end. It was a massive missed opportunity for them given how well they played and how poor we were.
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So England have qualified on 08:44 - Jun 19 with 2403 viewsRobTheMonk

As a results game, yes fine.

But yesterday we looked really poor, and we didn't look much better against an aging Croatian squad who much like us, didn't exactly have the toughest run in during that World Cup 2018 and bumbled their way through.

Fair play to Scotland; they looked massively up for it.

Kane looks shot. Why Grealish or Sancho doesn't start is beyond me.

I think the balance in midfield is wrong. Phillips or Rice is fine as the destroyer but I think you need a passer alongside one of them (I think long term we'll see Rice and Bellingham). Netherlands have De Jong, Germany have Kroos, France have Kante (who does everything lol), Italy have Jorginho - all players with good passing ability who play as one of the midfield players generally alongside someone a bit more physical.

On the plus side, Pickford seems to be playing well. They said he's been seeing a psychologist over the past year and fair play, he looks much more calm and composed on the pitch.

And no goals conceeded.

There are positives, but we need to put in a much better performance against the Czech's.
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So England have qualified on 08:45 - Jun 19 with 2387 viewsbluelagos

We haven't qualified. Lose to Czech on Tuesday, Scots beat Croatia and we end up 3rd and relying on a better finish than other 3rd placed teams.

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So England have qualified on 08:47 - Jun 19 with 2376 viewsm14_blue

So England have qualified on 08:45 - Jun 19 by bluelagos

We haven't qualified. Lose to Czech on Tuesday, Scots beat Croatia and we end up 3rd and relying on a better finish than other 3rd placed teams.


I’d be very surprised if 4 points isn’t enough, 2 teams qualified with 3 points last time.
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So England have qualified on 08:49 - Jun 19 with 2353 viewsbluelagos

So England have qualified on 08:47 - Jun 19 by m14_blue

I’d be very surprised if 4 points isn’t enough, 2 teams qualified with 3 points last time.


Don't disagree.

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So England have qualified on 08:56 - Jun 19 with 2307 viewschicoazul

So England have qualified on 08:44 - Jun 19 by RobTheMonk

As a results game, yes fine.

But yesterday we looked really poor, and we didn't look much better against an aging Croatian squad who much like us, didn't exactly have the toughest run in during that World Cup 2018 and bumbled their way through.

Fair play to Scotland; they looked massively up for it.

Kane looks shot. Why Grealish or Sancho doesn't start is beyond me.

I think the balance in midfield is wrong. Phillips or Rice is fine as the destroyer but I think you need a passer alongside one of them (I think long term we'll see Rice and Bellingham). Netherlands have De Jong, Germany have Kroos, France have Kante (who does everything lol), Italy have Jorginho - all players with good passing ability who play as one of the midfield players generally alongside someone a bit more physical.

On the plus side, Pickford seems to be playing well. They said he's been seeing a psychologist over the past year and fair play, he looks much more calm and composed on the pitch.

And no goals conceeded.

There are positives, but we need to put in a much better performance against the Czech's.


I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. It’s like when Norwich play us or we play Colchester, energy and attitude can get you a decent result in the face of superior opponents.

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So England have qualified on 08:56 - Jun 19 with 2306 viewsRadlett_blue

So England have qualified on 08:33 - Jun 19 by chicoazul

This is not to say that England won’t do what they almost always do by the way, which is slowly deteriorate thru the tournament and lose to the first good team they play. And as usual they all look exhausted, especially our main man up front.


Remember that in Euro 96, England started with a lack lustre draw with Switzerland & played worse than last night against the Scots until Seaman's penalty save & Gascoigne's goal. The group stage with the stupid 24 team format is only about eliminating 8 teams who shouldn't be there, such as the Scots. The way they celebrated a draw when they needed to win the game says everything. I don't think England are potential winners, but the position is nowhere near as gloomy as some would have it,

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So England have qualified on 08:57 - Jun 19 with 2298 viewsnoggin

Expectation is the key here. Scotland fans know they won't win anything and so they make the tournament an excuse for a party. England fans struggle to deal with the inevitable failure at every tournament. It's all so predictable.

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So England have qualified on 08:59 - Jun 19 with 2280 viewschicoazul

So England have qualified on 08:45 - Jun 19 by bluelagos

We haven't qualified. Lose to Czech on Tuesday, Scots beat Croatia and we end up 3rd and relying on a better finish than other 3rd placed teams.


It would take an incredible set of results for us to not qualify. No team on 4 points with a selection of third placed teams qualifying has failed to qualify for the next round with a better GD of -2. Scotland don’t score goals but need to beat Croatia. We’ve qualified. That’s not to say if there is a way to fck this up England won’t find it of course.

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So England have qualified on 09:02 - Jun 19 with 2245 viewsGuthrum

So England have qualified on 08:44 - Jun 19 by RobTheMonk

As a results game, yes fine.

But yesterday we looked really poor, and we didn't look much better against an aging Croatian squad who much like us, didn't exactly have the toughest run in during that World Cup 2018 and bumbled their way through.

Fair play to Scotland; they looked massively up for it.

Kane looks shot. Why Grealish or Sancho doesn't start is beyond me.

I think the balance in midfield is wrong. Phillips or Rice is fine as the destroyer but I think you need a passer alongside one of them (I think long term we'll see Rice and Bellingham). Netherlands have De Jong, Germany have Kroos, France have Kante (who does everything lol), Italy have Jorginho - all players with good passing ability who play as one of the midfield players generally alongside someone a bit more physical.

On the plus side, Pickford seems to be playing well. They said he's been seeing a psychologist over the past year and fair play, he looks much more calm and composed on the pitch.

And no goals conceeded.

There are positives, but we need to put in a much better performance against the Czech's.


Not sure that every team will be defending as fiercely as Scotland. Lots of very committed last-ditch interceptions and tackles, I think they emphasised that side over their attacking game. Which, combined with a back five and four in midfield, made them very difficult to break down. Hence why England did a lot of passing with little penetration.

And also why Kane got very little look-in.

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So England have qualified on 09:04 - Jun 19 with 2222 viewschicoazul

So England have qualified on 09:02 - Jun 19 by Guthrum

Not sure that every team will be defending as fiercely as Scotland. Lots of very committed last-ditch interceptions and tackles, I think they emphasised that side over their attacking game. Which, combined with a back five and four in midfield, made them very difficult to break down. Hence why England did a lot of passing with little penetration.

And also why Kane got very little look-in.


Kane isn’t fit. He can barely move.

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So England have qualified on 09:12 - Jun 19 with 2149 viewsRobTheMonk

So England have qualified on 09:04 - Jun 19 by chicoazul

Kane isn’t fit. He can barely move.


There was a moment in the second half where he had a bit of a run ahead of him with the ball and looked like he was really struggling to accelerate properly.
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So England have qualified on 09:17 - Jun 19 with 2118 viewsGuthrum

So England have qualified on 09:04 - Jun 19 by chicoazul

Kane isn’t fit. He can barely move.


Probably also true. But there was very little space for him to move into last night, either (without being offside, or separated from his teammates by a double wall of defenders).

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So England have qualified on 09:23 - Jun 19 with 2075 viewschicoazul

So England have qualified on 09:12 - Jun 19 by RobTheMonk

There was a moment in the second half where he had a bit of a run ahead of him with the ball and looked like he was really struggling to accelerate properly.


Clearly having ankle or Achilles problems again. Probably why he’s been playing so deep for Spuds.

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So England have qualified on 09:27 - Jun 19 with 2055 viewschicoazul

So England have qualified on 09:17 - Jun 19 by Guthrum

Probably also true. But there was very little space for him to move into last night, either (without being offside, or separated from his teammates by a double wall of defenders).


Don’t understand why we are playing Foden in the role we are, Kane can’t run but can pass so we need fast penetration ahead of him in the Son role. Sterling isn’t giving us that but I’d persevere with him and bring Sancho in, drop Phillips and move Foden back to midfield.

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So England have qualified on 09:37 - Jun 19 with 1992 viewsChrisd

So England have qualified on 08:35 - Jun 19 by m14_blue

I have to say, as disappointed as I was with the performance yesterday, I was a bit bemused by the celebrations from the scots at the end. It was a massive missed opportunity for them given how well they played and how poor we were.


The fact they keep getting referred to as a ‘pub side’ by many England supporters and are playing the second favourites on their home patch, they probably felt they deserve to celebrate at the end. Also, give credit to Scotland, the way they played helped to make England look poor. All the hype about the England players and how much superior they are must really wind them up, I suppose they just proved a point after last night’s display.

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So England have qualified on 09:42 - Jun 19 with 1970 viewsChrisd

So England have qualified on 09:02 - Jun 19 by Guthrum

Not sure that every team will be defending as fiercely as Scotland. Lots of very committed last-ditch interceptions and tackles, I think they emphasised that side over their attacking game. Which, combined with a back five and four in midfield, made them very difficult to break down. Hence why England did a lot of passing with little penetration.

And also why Kane got very little look-in.


The ‘defending’ statement is a myth, England had one shot on target and Stones’ header off the post, that was it. They weren’t defending for their lives last night, had 40% possession and created more efforts on and off target than we did.

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So England have qualified on 09:43 - Jun 19 with 1969 viewsGuthrum

So England have qualified on 09:27 - Jun 19 by chicoazul

Don’t understand why we are playing Foden in the role we are, Kane can’t run but can pass so we need fast penetration ahead of him in the Son role. Sterling isn’t giving us that but I’d persevere with him and bring Sancho in, drop Phillips and move Foden back to midfield.


The midfield was so clogged up last night that long balls with one or more players breaking the offside trap was the most promising tactic. Wasn't tried (or successfully executed) often enough, too much passing from one side to the other and backwards looking for a clever way through which simply wasn't there.

Even a link-up man between the Scottish lines would have quickly been surrounded and deprived of the ball.

Edit: But in general I agree more connectedness is needed.
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So England have qualified on 09:55 - Jun 19 with 1905 viewsWickets

So England have qualified on 08:35 - Jun 19 by m14_blue

I have to say, as disappointed as I was with the performance yesterday, I was a bit bemused by the celebrations from the scots at the end. It was a massive missed opportunity for them given how well they played and how poor we were.


Agree . Maybe they had consumed a bit to much booze to understand that they now look in prime position for an early bath !
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So England have qualified on 10:06 - Jun 19 with 1869 viewspointofblue

So England have qualified on 08:35 - Jun 19 by m14_blue

I have to say, as disappointed as I was with the performance yesterday, I was a bit bemused by the celebrations from the scots at the end. It was a massive missed opportunity for them given how well they played and how poor we were.


I also fear that they put so much into the England match that Croatia may feel slightly under-whelming to them, leading to them tripping up. For all the clamour surrounding Gilmour, have to remember that the same was said of Phillips post Croatia and he was very poor yesterday - one swallow doesn’t make a summer.

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So England have qualified on 10:08 - Jun 19 with 1855 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

So England have qualified on 08:57 - Jun 19 by noggin

Expectation is the key here. Scotland fans know they won't win anything and so they make the tournament an excuse for a party. England fans struggle to deal with the inevitable failure at every tournament. It's all so predictable.


To be fair, English expectation levels have never been so low.

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So England have qualified on 10:09 - Jun 19 with 1855 viewschicoazul

So England have qualified on 09:37 - Jun 19 by Chrisd

The fact they keep getting referred to as a ‘pub side’ by many England supporters and are playing the second favourites on their home patch, they probably felt they deserve to celebrate at the end. Also, give credit to Scotland, the way they played helped to make England look poor. All the hype about the England players and how much superior they are must really wind them up, I suppose they just proved a point after last night’s display.


Have literally never heard any England fan refer to them like that. Everyone knows what they are, hard working dogged with decent midfielders and two very good defenders & incapable of scoring goals.

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So England have qualified on 10:09 - Jun 19 with 1854 viewsbournemouthblue

So England have qualified on 08:45 - Jun 19 by bluelagos

We haven't qualified. Lose to Czech on Tuesday, Scots beat Croatia and we end up 3rd and relying on a better finish than other 3rd placed teams.


Indeed, goal difference could make a difference

The Czech's have already shown they are not mugs

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So England have qualified on 10:16 - Jun 19 with 1806 viewsChrisd

So England have qualified on 10:09 - Jun 19 by chicoazul

Have literally never heard any England fan refer to them like that. Everyone knows what they are, hard working dogged with decent midfielders and two very good defenders & incapable of scoring goals.


Online comments and listening to callers on the phone ins, plenty that referred to them as exactly that. Thought Adam’s looked very good for them, although Dykes gave Mings battle, I agree if they had a top quality striker they could be a very decent side.
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