| Apparently 15:49 - Jun 22 with 4436 views | chicoazul |
Boris the fat useless tw@ is announcing on Monday that lockdown fully ends on the 5th July. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 15:51]
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| Apparently on 15:50 - Jun 22 with 2938 views | 26_Paz |
Great news if true |  |
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| Apparently on 15:51 - Jun 22 with 2923 views | bluelagos |
Nah, will be a Monday. A Friday would make that weekend a full on mental blow out so just don't see it. A Monday and people have a few days to go to the pubs without things going too ott. |  |
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| Apparently on 15:51 - Jun 22 with 2911 views | Bluefish |
I read the opposite........ |  |
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| Apparently on 15:53 - Jun 22 with 2886 views | chicoazul |
| Apparently on 15:51 - Jun 22 by bluelagos |
Nah, will be a Monday. A Friday would make that weekend a full on mental blow out so just don't see it. A Monday and people have a few days to go to the pubs without things going too ott. |
Yeah my bad, the 5th. | |
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| Apparently on 15:55 - Jun 22 with 2852 views | StokieBlue |
| Apparently on 15:50 - Jun 22 by 26_Paz |
Great news if true |
It's idiotic for Boris to announce something like that on the 22nd June. It has to be data driven and just announcing dates as firm deadlines is not being data driven. The data is looking pretty good in general with regards to hospitalisations (although we have the highest cases in Europe which isn't good for long covid).
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| Apparently on 15:57 - Jun 22 with 2802 views | 26_Paz |
| Apparently on 15:55 - Jun 22 by StokieBlue |
It's idiotic for Boris to announce something like that on the 22nd June. It has to be data driven and just announcing dates as firm deadlines is not being data driven. The data is looking pretty good in general with regards to hospitalisations (although we have the highest cases in Europe which isn't good for long covid).
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He has to give at least some notice so businesses can prepare. Large events can sell / not refund tickets, Nightclubs can get staff off furlough, Bars can re modify for normal operations etc. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 15:58]
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| Apparently on 16:00 - Jun 22 with 2776 views | Ely_Blue |
| Apparently on 15:53 - Jun 22 by chicoazul |
Yeah my bad, the 5th. |
No chance.
It will be 19th July - def info |  |
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| Apparently on 16:03 - Jun 22 with 2726 views | DinDjarin |
Convenient for the cup final |  | | |
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| Apparently on 16:05 - Jun 22 with 2699 views | bluelagos |
| Apparently on 16:03 - Jun 22 by DinDjarin |
Convenient for the cup final |
They've just announced 60k at the semis and final of the Euros. | |
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| Apparently on 16:06 - Jun 22 with 2679 views | wkj |
| Apparently on 15:57 - Jun 22 by 26_Paz |
He has to give at least some notice so businesses can prepare. Large events can sell / not refund tickets, Nightclubs can get staff off furlough, Bars can re modify for normal operations etc. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 15:58]
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So he is giving notice to people to prepare for 'business as usual' based on an assumption. Just like the times we were coming out of lockdown before - and then back in lockdown, telling people christmas was on, then wasn't.
Surely even the most devout lover of The Big Johnson can see that decisions and guidance has been given many times before the full scope of the situation is realised, then being left with no choice to engage in the things totally opposite to what was being forecast. |  |
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| Apparently on 16:09 - Jun 22 with 2644 views | StokieBlue |
| Apparently on 15:57 - Jun 22 by 26_Paz |
He has to give at least some notice so businesses can prepare. Large events can sell / not refund tickets, Nightclubs can get staff off furlough, Bars can re modify for normal operations etc. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 15:58]
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Not sure that the last two examples need 2 weeks to prepare. Bars didn't change anything for the last "freedom day" and that was closer to the date than this.
So are you saying that the decision shouldn't be data driven? It's been proven multiple times that if it's not then he ends up looking like a fool and people get upset.
Scotland aren't going to lift all restrictions until the 9th August when all adults are vaccinated from what Sturgeon said today.
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| Apparently on 16:09 - Jun 22 with 2633 views | hype313 |
Can't see it myself, Hancock is taking great delight at being in the spotlight still.
Also "Our assessment of the risks is not fundamentally changed by new Variants of Concern"
I'm going for Canadian this time, maybe we could do a sweepstake? |  |
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| Apparently on 16:14 - Jun 22 with 2571 views | wkj |
| Apparently on 16:09 - Jun 22 by hype313 |
Can't see it myself, Hancock is taking great delight at being in the spotlight still.
Also "Our assessment of the risks is not fundamentally changed by new Variants of Concern"
I'm going for Canadian this time, maybe we could do a sweepstake? |
Here in lies where my analogy comes from regarding the current government
'They're like a bunch of substitute teachers being tasked with rewriting the curriculum'
Fundamental changes need to occur in the government, and I am not necessarily saying TORIES OUT! but rather saying this current cabinet are atrocious. The supporters of the Tories must surely be at a point they would need to nominate a leader of stability and pragmatism rather than a group of chancers making it up as they go along. | |
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| Apparently on 16:15 - Jun 22 with 2553 views | chicoazul |
| Apparently on 16:14 - Jun 22 by wkj |
Here in lies where my analogy comes from regarding the current government
'They're like a bunch of substitute teachers being tasked with rewriting the curriculum'
Fundamental changes need to occur in the government, and I am not necessarily saying TORIES OUT! but rather saying this current cabinet are atrocious. The supporters of the Tories must surely be at a point they would need to nominate a leader of stability and pragmatism rather than a group of chancers making it up as they go along. |
Expect a big reshuffle once lockdown is finished. | |
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| Apparently on 16:19 - Jun 22 with 2505 views | 26_Paz |
| Apparently on 16:06 - Jun 22 by wkj |
So he is giving notice to people to prepare for 'business as usual' based on an assumption. Just like the times we were coming out of lockdown before - and then back in lockdown, telling people christmas was on, then wasn't.
Surely even the most devout lover of The Big Johnson can see that decisions and guidance has been given many times before the full scope of the situation is realised, then being left with no choice to engage in the things totally opposite to what was being forecast. |
Yes, many mistakes have been made to date, I agree and if he announces this and then goes back on it that will be another one to add to the list. | |
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| Apparently on 16:20 - Jun 22 with 2501 views | wkj |
| Apparently on 16:15 - Jun 22 by chicoazul |
Expect a big reshuffle once lockdown is finished. |
That is all good and well, but the leadership needs to be part of that reshuffle too. | |
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| Apparently on 16:20 - Jun 22 with 2486 views | 26_Paz |
| Apparently on 16:09 - Jun 22 by StokieBlue |
Not sure that the last two examples need 2 weeks to prepare. Bars didn't change anything for the last "freedom day" and that was closer to the date than this.
So are you saying that the decision shouldn't be data driven? It's been proven multiple times that if it's not then he ends up looking like a fool and people get upset.
Scotland aren't going to lift all restrictions until the 9th August when all adults are vaccinated from what Sturgeon said today.
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It should, of course, be data driven. But if data is suggesting we will be ok by the 5th then a it of advance warning is essential. | |
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| Apparently on 16:24 - Jun 22 with 2463 views | wkj |
| Apparently on 16:19 - Jun 22 by 26_Paz |
Yes, many mistakes have been made to date, I agree and if he announces this and then goes back on it that will be another one to add to the list. |
Do you not also see how the risk of that happening can be massively mitigated if Johnson waits and announces the direction after having a better handle on the data that will be coming his way over the next couple of weeks?
What if he doubles down and sticks to his 9th of July deadline - and that causes another massive spike? This is dangerous governance at the nth degree. | |
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| Apparently on 16:27 - Jun 22 with 2427 views | MattinLondon |
| Apparently on 16:19 - Jun 22 by 26_Paz |
Yes, many mistakes have been made to date, I agree and if he announces this and then goes back on it that will be another one to add to the list. |
By ‘many mistakes have been made’ do you actually mean ‘needless deaths’? |  | | |
| Apparently on 16:29 - Jun 22 with 2403 views | DinDjarin |
Good. The whole thing has become a farce. | | | |
| Apparently on 16:32 - Jun 22 with 2377 views | StokieBlue |
| Apparently on 16:29 - Jun 22 by DinDjarin |
Good. The whole thing has become a farce. |
In what way?
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| Apparently on 16:35 - Jun 22 with 2350 views | DinDjarin |
| Apparently on 16:32 - Jun 22 by StokieBlue |
In what way?
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Ascot, Wimbledon, Wembley, G7 but schools not allowing parents to sports day as one example.
Its becoming selective based on money. Just unlock everything and be done with it.
People are jabbing up and still being locked away. Am just waiting for a new variant to hit us once the Euros are done with. | | | |
| Apparently on 16:38 - Jun 22 with 2317 views | positivity |
| Apparently on 16:35 - Jun 22 by DinDjarin |
Ascot, Wimbledon, Wembley, G7 but schools not allowing parents to sports day as one example.
Its becoming selective based on money. Just unlock everything and be done with it.
People are jabbing up and still being locked away. Am just waiting for a new variant to hit us once the Euros are done with. |
if a new variant hits us after the euros, re-opening is a disastrous thing to do |  |
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| Apparently on 16:42 - Jun 22 with 2273 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Apparently on 15:50 - Jun 22 by 26_Paz |
Great news if true |
Would be fantastic but I'll believe it when I hear it. |  |
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| Apparently on 16:43 - Jun 22 with 2276 views | hype313 |
| Apparently on 16:38 - Jun 22 by positivity |
if a new variant hits us after the euros, re-opening is a disastrous thing to do |
The thing is what do we do every time a new variant arrives? lockdown again? we can't spend the rest of our lives in perennial lockdowns. | |
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